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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2418 - Chris Williamson

26 Nov 2025

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

0.031 - 6.227 Joe Rogan

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

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6.247 - 9.957 Unknown

Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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15.016 - 37.85 Chris Williamson

Feel a bit less shit about myself. Just stave off death. Well, doesn't it do something for your mind? Of course. Doesn't it help you? Yeah, of course it does. But when you compare it with life and death, there's a little bit of a difference. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's definitely a difference. But just for mental health... That's the main reason to do it for me. It's mental health.

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38.331 - 49.309 Chris Williamson

It's such a difference between not doing it and doing it. Two totally different people. You got notes on that thing or something? Always. You got to get one of these babies. Little kickstand jammies. Those are the shit.

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Oh, sexy.

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Look at that. It's flat. Sexy, sexy. Yeah. All right. All right. It encourages you to waste your time watching YouTube videos.

Chapter 2: How does mental health relate to physical activity?

57.362 - 72.732 Chris Williamson

Yeah, without having to hold it. Because it props up, yeah. Beautiful. You feel like a fool sitting there staring at your camera, holding it in your hand. I always said if there was a drug that made people stare at their hand for six hours a day, everybody would be like, oh my God, this is really a problem in this country. People are just staring at their hands.

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72.712 - 95.142 Chris Williamson

Well, we looked at that last time that we were on. We had the photo of that guy, that artist that had taken images of people looking at their phones. Yes, with no phone. And then removed the phones. It's such a crazy thing we're doing. And now, of course, there's AR glasses that are eventually going to put whatever TikTok feed in like one eye where you're watching someone in the other eye.

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Have you ever tried those? I've messed around with them a little bit. Zuck was here, and he let me try the new ones that haven't been released yet. They were really interesting. And you move a cursor around with your eyeballs, and you can do things with your fingers. You can pinch and spread things and stuff with your fingers and play games with your fingers.

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115.733 - 137.131 Chris Williamson

It's not quite as responsive as you'd like it to be, but it's very beta. Fuck you. Pretty cool. It is pretty cool. But also we're losing humanity. We're going to be taken in. We're going to incorporate with the machine. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think a lot of people feel like that would be a better version of the life that they have.

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137.151 - 159.682 Chris Williamson

And that's the saddest thing that people of older generations look at young guys and girls and how much time they spend online. And they think, this is ridiculous. Why are they caring so much about what is occurring on the internet? But they don't realize people spend more time on screens than they do asleep. So the digital world is the real world for these people.

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Like the digital world is more real than the real world is. Ooh, I didn't think of it that way. There are a lot of people that do spend more time on screens than they do asleep. That's really common. I like to balance that out. I'd like to spend half as much time on my phone as I do asleep. Well, that would be a good way to enforce it, right?

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You log how much sleep time you've had and then that's your life. Yeah, so I'm going to start sleeping 12 hours a day. So I can spend six times a day. Six hours wasting. It's quite a resource if you think about it, like a lack of an appreciation of your resource. Because the resource of your time and your attention, it's very valuable.

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And you can convert it into all sorts of amazing skills and skills.

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information and you know knowledge and change your whole life or you can just stare at stupid shit all day long it's so compelling that dude it's been designed by the most profitable companies on the planet with the smartest behavioral scientists in history like it's an unfair fight it really is an unfair fight and that's why sort of You could not do it though. Oh, you need to lean in.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of technology on communication?

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251.097 - 278.41 Chris Williamson

I sent that to Chris today. Greta Thunberg, she dyed the Venice canals green to protest what a lack of action and climate change. Yeah, a call to pull back carbon fuel in Europe. And they didn't just do it in Venice. They did it in 10 cities around Italy. But Venice has obviously got this gorgeous waterway. It's an entire city built on water.

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Bro. Yeah, that's hard to see how ugly it is. Jamie, I could send you a video of it because I sent Chris a video. It's just like, how much attention do you need, lady? Okay? Stop. Sky News Australia refers to her as a Swedish doom goblin. Sky News is the one that's weirdly pro-Republican American politics. Super right wing. It's like, who's funding that?

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309.449 - 333.287 Chris Williamson

There's no way that there's that much of an appetite in Australia for American politics. So that's what it looks like. That's disgusting. I was there this summer. It's fucking beautiful. Venice is so gorgeous and so ancient and so interesting. And to have this self-important twat pour a bunch of green dye into that water, you should go to jail for that.

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You're ruining this experience for thousands and thousands of people, not just the ones who live in that amazing place, but the ones who get to visit. I mean, someone figured out a way to make a whole city by shoving pylons into the ground. And they did it a long time ago. It's all wood. The whole city is stacked up on wood. They take these wood poles. They shove them into the ground.

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It's a specific type of wood that doesn't rot when it gets wet and waterlogged. It actually hardens. I forget what kind of wood it is. I watched this whole thing on it. But... I mean, it's very stable. I mean, sometimes they get some flooding. Like one time we were there and the lobby of this place was flooded. It does flood. But it's also so fucking beautiful. And the architecture is so amazing.

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It's such a gorgeous place. And it just relaxes you instantly when you're there. You're like, wow, I just want to have an espresso and eat some pasta and just chill out. I went last summer. It's one of the most beautiful places I've ever been. And this fucking dummy decides to just pour green dye.

Chapter 4: How does the digital world influence real-world interactions?

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And how much green dye did you put in there? And what kind of an effect is that going to have on life? So they claimed that it was environmentally safe. Rah, rah. I don't know how environmentally safe anything of that green color can be. But yeah, what was it? 48 hour ban and $170 fine. That's it? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You should go to jail for a night. I think about this a lot, man. The...

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In some ways I understand why the rhetoric gets more and more inflammatory. So if you care about an issue, if you really, really think that this issue's important, and people don't listen, you start to shout a bit louder. And then you shout a bit louder, and then you shout a bit louder. The British are coming. The British are coming. You know who first said that? Wasn't Paul Revere. Bonnie Blue.

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Who's that? She is the lady that slept with 1,057 men in a day.

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454.14 - 460.054 Unknown

Oh, that poor lady. Yeah. So people don't listen. Do you ever see Don't Look Up, that movie on Netflix?

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That's very funny, by the way. I missed that joke because I didn't know who that was.

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Jamie got it.

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Jamo got it from over there, even with a toothpick. I'm kind of proud that I can't recognize her name, though, honestly. I'll take that.

469.818 - 476.847 Chris Williamson

It's probably a good sign. So, Don't Look Up, that film with Leonardo DiCaprio a couple of years ago. You remember?

476.867 - 480.712 Unknown

It was like an asteroid coming in. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chapter 5: What happens when Bugsy Malone confronts an attacker?

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He wants to hit him with the brick. So Bugsy stops the car, opens the door. And immediately, he's massively into Jordan Peterson, personal development, self-growth. It's like an odd blend of rough upbringing, self-discipline, and sort of transcendent personal growth. And he gets out of the car and points at the guy, and he goes, no way is that you. Is that a blue t-shirt?

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And the guy's like, what?

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Chapter 6: How does Bugsy's training influence the outcome of the confrontation?

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And as he's doing it, because he's been training so much, he's coming toward him, distracting him. The same way as I go, what's on that t-shirt there? Immediately you go, and before he knew it, Bugsy's hit him, spun him around. Brick's fallen out of his hand, because this guy hasn't set his feet in time. It's the problem of having a big weapon.

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Bugsy said, like, you need to set yourself and you need to be able to throw it. Like, it's good because it can hurt someone, but it's slow and it's cumbersome and you can't move as fast. And he's training every day, every single day, no matter whether he's rapping, he's on tour, he's training and he's boxing and he's fighting and he's sharp. He knows his distance.

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5351.349 - 5378.927 Chris Williamson

Hits this guy, they have a scrap. Bugsy wins, moves the stuff out of the way, gets back in the car, drives in. Jamie, can you just CCTV search, search Bugsy Malone CCTV so there's footage from his house of when he pulls up in the Mercedes. Go back, back, back a little bit. Yeah, just to the start. So this is him pulling in, in his car, having just beaten someone up.

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5378.967 - 5399.729 Chris Williamson

This is a van filled with guys. Gets out of the car, pulls his top off, and then sprints to go and get the rest of the guys that are waiting outside. That is not the behavior of a dude who gives a single fuck. This is the British Jay-Z ripping his top off and then sprinting out to try and chase people away.

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And the real kicker of it, there was like tons of guys, not in that van, but in some other van behind. The real kicker was the dudes that he fought, they pressed charges. They pressed charges against him. Because he's rich. They pressed charges because he fucked him up.

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And then at the- Oh, they pressed charges.

5421.435 - 5439.371 Chris Williamson

They pressed charges against him. Did they actually wind up going to court over this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Yep, went to court. And this is, it was so brilliant. He told this story to me and he said, it was the middle of COVID and people weren't sure whether venues were going to be open. And he had this tour, this tour was going on, but it wasn't selling as well.

Chapter 7: What legal issues arise after the fight?

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No tours were selling as well as he would have liked. So he spoke to his lawyer before his lawyer went to go and do the not guilty verdict. And they had two statements that were ready. He came out. He said, very pleased to say that Aaron Davies has been acquitted today. He's not been found guilty. He is now getting back to preparing for his upcoming tour and tickets are available now.

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His lawyer did a mid-roll ad read for his tour as part of his not guilty verdict, having just beaten up like a van filled with blokes, one of whom looked like a plumber. It was your plumber comment that got me thinking about it.

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Like just some white belt that decides, you know, some guy that thinks he's a bit hard, like he's had a little bit of a thrower and this guy's training every single day, sharpening his skills and he's been doing it since he was a kid. That's hilarious. And he's dangerous and he's nasty. It's wonderful when a story like that works out. In America, people have guns. It's a different sport.

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Have you looked at appropriate force in the UK? Do you know what that is? The use of appropriate force? There's a lot of that in America as well, depending state by state. There's different standards that different states impose. Like Florida has stand your ground. Florida, you just get away with killing people. California, it's very different.

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They were actually trying to pass a thing in California saying it's your obligation to leave your house if someone breaks into it. It's that house now. It's your obligation to not shoot them, that you can't harm them because they're just trying to steal something. They're not trying to harm you. Like the assumption should be that they're not trying to harm you. Exactly.

5535.413 - 5559.621 Chris Williamson

I've had this conversation with people on the podcast, actually with Tommy Chong. It was a mind-numbing conversation. That, you know, you should not think of this person as trying to attack you. That their life is not less valuable than yours. It's just as valuable as your life. You shouldn't take their life. Despite the fact that they're on your property. Despite the fact that, I can't talk.

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Despite the fact rather that historically a lot of people have broken into people's houses and killed them. It's happened over and over and over again. You're just assuming that this time is going to be different. Because they just want your watch or whatever. Like, fuck off. That's a dumb way to live. You have to be able to protect yourself. There's crazy people, that's a real thing.

5576.459 - 5588.493 Chris Williamson

Yeah, I think the appropriate force thing becomes interesting in the UK where you don't have as many guns because there's more levels of weapon in between nothing, just hands.

Chapter 8: How does the discussion shift to the nature of success and happiness?

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Baseball bat and samurai sword. Yeah, this guy's got a brick, so you're allowed a brick. But if you bring a gun to a knife fight, that's not appropriate force.

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You know what I mean? He only had a knife. Yes.

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You cheated.

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5600.988 - 5624.994 Chris Williamson

It's like, I don't know, it's very gentlemanly. Oh, God. So stupid. Well, the UK's got like some odd archaic laws. Like the distance between the front benches in the House of Commons is the same as two broadswords held out at arm's length. Which is just so funny. Well, that's also why you guys drive on the other side of the road, right? Why?

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I think you drive on the left side of the road so you can use your right arm to slash each other. No way. Yeah, I believe that's what it is. What, in case you were jousting in a vehicle? If you're on a horse or if you're in a car, you want to be able to get them on that side. That's the strong side. Someone told me that when I was over there. I hope I'm not incorrect. I like it as a story.

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Whether it's right or wrong, I don't care. There's a reason that women's shirts button from the left and not the right. Have you ever accidentally put your wife's hoodie on instead? It goes in the... Middle Ages, you knew you were going to meet when traveling on horseback.

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Most people are right-handed, so if a stranger passed to the right of you, you're right-handed and be free to use your sword if required. Yeah, that's why you guys do it with your cars. Well, this is the problem. If you don't have a medieval country like ours, you end up driving on the other side of the road.

5672.702 - 5695.256 Chris Williamson

But yeah, so women's shirts, if you've ever accidentally put your wife's hoodie on or something, zipped it up, women's shirts button from the other side. They button from the left, not the right. The reason for that is that when buttons were first introduced in the 1700s, they were mostly for the aristocracy, and the aristocratic women were dressed by mostly right-handed servants. Whoa.

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