Michael P. Masters, PhD, is a professor of biological anthropology at Montana Technological University and the author of several books exploring the hypothesis that alien visitors may be human time travelers from the future. The most recent titles are "The Extratempestrial Model," a work of nonfiction, and the novel "Revelation: The Future Human Past." www.idflyobj.com/books-%26-merchwww.youtube.com/@MichaelPMasterswww.idflyobj.com Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE This episode is brought to you by Monster Ultra. Zero Sugar, Flavor Unleashed. Visit https://monsterenergy.com to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Mmm. Yeah. Disclosure day. Very interesting. Yeah. I'm excited for that. Yeah, he was always, like, way ahead of the curve when it comes to the whole UAP, UFO stuff. You know, with Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he had that French scientist that was essentially modeled after Jacques Vallée.
Yeah.
He's always been... I would love to talk to him. I wonder how much he knows.
Is that an accident? Was he fed some information? Was he a part of disclosure the whole time? That's what I've always wondered. I mean, what does that mean, right? Because there hasn't really been disclosure. No, but there has to be a slow process too, right? You think so? I don't think... I mean, the whole idea is that they're just sort of normalizing it, right?
Neuro-linguistic programming, they call it, where you're slowly getting people accustomed to these ideas, like... The aspects of Close Encounters, for instance, where you have the radiation burns on the guy's face. You have a time travel component where these World War II soldiers get out of the craft with the little beans and the bigger bean.
I mean, just seeding our culture with those little bits of information that might help later on down the road. That was like in the 70s, wasn't it? When was Close Encounters? Yeah, I think it was. Was it the 70s? Late 70s, early 80s, maybe. Yeah. Either way. I mean, like a lot of stuff he's done. Like I rewatched the couple was Jeff Bridges Starman.
I think there's a lot of elements of disclosure in that, too. Like, I think there's just I don't know. I mean, obviously, we don't know who's pulling the strings. We don't know what's going on. We don't know who's in charge. But it does make sense that if there is this thing that they know about that we're supposed to know about. Leak it out. Do it slowly. Get it in our culture.
Get it in our media in different ways. You know the Hal put-off story, right, with George Bush?
Do you know the story where they were talking about... Okay. Hal talked about it on my podcast, but he also talked about it in the Age of Disclosure documentary where...
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Chapter 2: How is the concept of disclosure addressed?
They brought in him and a bunch of different prominent thinkers.
Yeah, I watched that episode and I watched the doco. So to people that don't know, I'll just explain it.
So they brought in him and a bunch of other prominent thinkers and they had – they sat them down and said essentially we have recovered crashed UFOs. We have biological remains of these creatures. We are considering releasing it to the public, and we want to make an assessment of what are the pros and what are the cons.
So we want to assign a numerical value that you're estimating what kind of an impact it would be on government, finances, religion, et cetera. About whether they should do it, basically. Right, whether or not they should release this information. And all of the people that were brought in
came to the agreement that there was more con than there were pro, and that formed their decision to not release it.
And didn't he say at first, like, he was pro-disclosure? He was like, of course we should do this. And then after the conversation, he switched teams and decided. Yeah, I don't know about that. Maybe, perhaps. I thought he said that he went into it thinking, well, yeah, obviously we should do this, and then sort of was convinced otherwise after the conversation unfolded.
Yeah, how could you be convinced? Like whose decision should it be? If some people know, everyone should know. It's a humanity decision. I don't think it should be in anybody's hands to decide whether or not this information gets distributed.
And the implications too if they have zero point energy. Like how would that solve the problems that we face today? There's so many ramifications of it that – Yeah, whose decision is it and why has it been kept from us? I don't buy that whole Orson Welles 1938 everybody would freak out bullshit. I don't think that's the case, at least not anymore.
There's got to be something more to it than that.
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Chapter 3: What theories are presented about time travel and UFOs?
I mean, just knowing that we are all you know, I mean, how old are you?
47 okay, so you remember September 11th Mm-hmm one of the things that happened after September 11th was there was it was a horrible tragedy, but there was a beautiful result Temporarily where everybody was were not really united like really united like there's American flags and everybody's car in Los Angeles You know like the most ridiculous progressive sort of kind of you know
Kind of fucked up place. But everybody became patriotic. And in New York, everyone was friendly. I mean, people were smiling and saying hi to each other on the streets. We had all decided that we were together and that we were faced with a real threat and that we had to be united.
I remember it well. Yeah. You're right. And not to get too weird too fast here, but if there are aspects of sort of an all-encompassing consciousness that unites us associated with UFO phenomenon too, if we recognize that we are just,
fingerprints on the same hand we're all iterations of the same overarching consciousness if seemingly there is a part of that in the ufo phenomenon yeah so how would that unite us as well even beyond the threat from outside like if we did start to understand that we're all part of the same Sort of cosmic community. Sounds kind of weird to say that.
It does sound weird, but have you seen the Apple show Pluribus? No. It comes up a lot. Is it worth watching? It's really good. It's really good. It's very, very original, very unique. But that is essentially what happens, and it has a negative aspect to it. There's a virus. How so? I don't want to give away too much of it for people that want to watch the show because it's a really good show.
But there's a virus that they get a signal from another world and they figure out what this signal is. And through this lab work, they reveal that this signal is some sort of the encoding of a specific virus. They work on this specific virus. It spreads in the entire planet.
becomes one consciousness except for a small number of people interesting it's a weird show it's a really good show i'm gonna i'm gonna explain any more of it like that without any spoiler alerts but it's fucking great but it's strange it's like wouldn't that be better there's no crime there's no this there's no that but then it reveals all the problems that come along with that yeah
I'm going to have to watch that as a counterpoint, if anything else, because it makes sense to me that everyone's kind of united as one super organism of sorts.
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Chapter 4: How does the discussion connect to ancient texts and modern beliefs?
It's getting your angry out. Right.
Or your angst or your anxiety or depression, whatever it is. You're getting something out.
I was telling my son that the other day. Avi's his name. He's...
you know it's hard being in these bodies especially going through puberty you know you're just like what is this thing i'm carrying this little meat suit you know and and i was like man i was the same way i still am the same way and i picked up instruments i started painting i'd learned to play every sport i could physically play like there's ways to get that out you know but
It seems like a lot of that does come from just the anxiety and the angst. And, you know, you're growing into yourself. You're starting to get the feels. You know, you look at women differently. And it's like, what do I do with this?
Well, it rewires the entire way you view the world. And meanwhile, your body is physically changing and growing. You're like, what am I going to look like eventually? This is weird.
It's so weird. You know, there's actually this, in a small island in the Pacific, they have this weird characteristic where they start out as females. Everybody does. We all start out as females in utero. And then maleness is imposed on the developing fetus. But they don't until puberty because they're not sensitive to dihydrotestosterone, the precursor to testosterone.
So they grow up their entire life as girls. And then at puberty, they turn into a boy. So they get raised as girls? They are girls. They're physically girls. But they have penises. Not yet. Nope. What? Is there a planet? What is this? It's an island in the South Pacific. It's called pseudohermaphroditism. What? I know. I learned about this in grad school. So what do they look like?
They look like girls. What? Exactly like girls. They are girls. And then the ovaries descend as testicles and the clitoris grows out into a penis.
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Chapter 5: What happens when the protagonist interacts with a mysterious woman?
and comes down, tests him to make sure that he knows that it's her, appears in his dreams, communicates telepathically, gets him ready for this interaction. He's in love with her, never met her before. She comes down from the sky and takes him up with her on this rainbow of light.
And I made the case in my second book that if Antonio Villas-Boas had been able to go back with the woman that he had sex with, it's basically the same story. So this Brazilian lawyer is telling a story that's identical to this Zulu legend that's been told for centuries, millennia. I don't know how far it goes back. Kind of weird.
But we need to look outside of just the mainstream view, which is finally happening. So I'm excited about that. I'm very grateful.
Chapter 6: How do ancient legends relate to modern UFO encounters?
I have a lot of gratitude about what's happening. But we can go farther.
Why did the mainstream view become what it is? And we know that that is because of a concerted, concentrated propaganda effort. Yeah.
And a very effective one. They nailed it.
There was no other media back then. They had complete control of newspapers, complete control of television stations. How much do we know now about various news anchors that were actually CIA agents?
Chapter 7: What is the significance of propaganda in shaping public perception of UFOs?
There's a fucking shit ton of them.
And even if they weren't, they were being force-fed this stuff that they were happy to regurgitate. Absolutely. Yeah. They just wanted to look good and have a suit and speak like an expert.
Here we go. And if you don't toe the line, somebody else will. Yeah. And you're living a great life. You drive a Mercedes.
Chapter 8: How does the discussion of telepathy and consciousness unfold?
You live in a nice house. Why would you fuck this up? Over a UFO story, just tell your friends.
Just tell everybody what you're supposed to tell them.
Yeah. It's easy to get people to comply like that, especially when they're dependent upon, you know, whether it's a corporate entity like CNN or whether it's New York Times or whatever it is. It's not hard to get people to comply.
No. And you're right. Since the Internet, things have changed. Radically. Really radically. Radically. But I think there's a downside, too. We've already kind of been moving toward a post-truth existence. Good Lord, man. Like, I'll scroll through videos on Twitter now. 90% of them are fake. Oh, there's so much AI now. It's so ridiculous. It's so crazy.
I make the unfortunate decision to go into the comments to see what percentage of people think it's real. 80%. 90? I would say at least 90. It's insane. I still have it on my phone. It's a stupid fucking video of a rabbit nursing its little rabbit babies, and one of them is a cat. So the mom cat comes in, picks the fucking baby cat up by the nose. They're magnetically attached.
It doesn't even grab it. The baby kind of comes with it and then walks out the back of the burrow. There's no back to a rabbit burrow. And everybody's like, oh, whoops, that cat made a mistake. It's drinking from the wrong species. People don't see it. They don't see that this is very obviously fake. And it's not just for that. They're using it for propaganda.
They're using it for the same type of thing that they've used forever. Oh, well, this UFO phenomenon is not real because AI made this video.
Well, there's also the problem with what percentage of people that are even commenting are actual people. Exactly. There's a huge amount of bots that are communicating on all the social media platforms. A giant percentage of the comments are not real people.
That's a really good point.
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