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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2429 - Tom Segura

23 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Is that hat your croissant company? Bro, those croissants are a real fucking problem. They're the shit, aren't they? I was going to eat one bite. This is what's left. I was like, I'll have a bite. They're so good, man. Too buttery. How can a guy lose as much weight as you lost and then open up a fucking bakery?

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Because I started with them when I was so fat. It was perfect. I fell in love with that place when I was close to my fattest. I was like, this is a match made in heaven. How big were you when you were your fattest? The most I ever weighed was 265.

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Holy shit.

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Yeah.

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And what are you now?

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187.

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That's insane.

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Yeah, so that's like, what, 80 pounds?

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What does that feel like on your joints?

Chapter 2: How did weight loss impact the comedian's lifestyle?

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It's always a little bit harder. And I always feel like it's a better workout when he's there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. He pushes me, Sean.

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So you've been with him for a while?

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I've been with him for, yeah, for years. The other difference, the big difference, is that I've been, I dialed in not with croissants, but I've dialed in my nutrition a lot more. Like I eat four times a day now. And I'm on top of my macros. You know what I mean? Things I've never done before.

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Why do you eat four times a day?

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This nutritionist just gave me this plan and I've been just doing it.

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Interesting.

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Yeah. So I eat 50 grams of protein at every, at each of those four, you know, four different meals. Okay. So I end up getting 200 grams of protein.

Chapter 3: What nutritional changes did he make after losing weight?

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Maybe like 9.30. That's so crazy. Yeah. What time are you going to bed at night? Well, that's the key to this whole fucking thing. That's the key to the whole thing is that you go, to do this, I got to do this. And to do that, I got to do that. And to do that, I got to get up early. And the only way I can get up early is by staying on top of when I go to bed.

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You know, when we met, I was going to bed at 3 o'clock in the morning.

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Normal stuff.

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Yeah. And I would get up at like 11.

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Yeah, like a normal person.

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Like a normal person. And then I would say in the last decade, a lot of my bedtime kind of shifted to like around midnight. And then it shifted to like a little bit like closer to 11. In the last few months, like sticking to this plan, I've started to go to bed sometimes at like 10, 10.30, which for me is like very early. Mmm. You know, it's very hard.

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It's the biggest challenge for me has been to get to bed.

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That's hard for me. That's hard. That would be hard.

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But I also, I don't think I'm going to be getting up at 5.30 forever. This is just writer's room stuff. This is just writer's room stuff. Normally you get up at what, 8? 7? Between 7 and 8. That's reasonable. That's reasonable. And I don't have to go to bed at 10 to do that.

Chapter 4: What historical impact did disease have on indigenous populations?

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So, they brought disease and literally wiped out millions of people. Millions of people. And the jungle just consumed whatever structures were there in 100 years. Which is like, look at Detroit. Detroit is freezing cold. It's nowhere near as tropical as the Amazon. But Detroit, houses are just, trees are growing straight through them. And it's only been like 50 years.

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So in 100 years in the Amazon, everything was gone. All the people were dead. All the structures, which were wood, were all just like consumed by the rainforest. Right. Whoa. Yeah. And they didn't even know this until they started doing this LIDAR stuff. And so this LIDAR stuff, when they're flying over with this, it's a type of laser.

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And essentially it looks into the ground and finds structures right through the trees.

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Chapter 5: How has LIDAR technology changed our understanding of ancient civilizations?

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Yeah.

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It can like scan things.

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And they're finding aqueducts and roads and like complex irrigation systems, big giant symmetrical structures like this. This is all covered by jungle. Like these are all buildings and streets. Like they had millions of people living in the Amazon.

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Millions. This is like the same, you know the theory that, you know how like UAPs have become more, like there's congressional testimonies about it and everybody's always talking about where are these visitors coming from? Right. But like one of the theories is that they're not visitors from somewhere else. Yeah. They're visitors from our own planet. Right. That is an interesting thing.

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It's always interesting, especially just because we know how much of our planet is actually unexplored. Like we always think of it as like, oh, we know the planet, but like most of the ocean is unexplored, like a huge number of, and then obviously things like the jungle. Where you're just discovering like, oh, look, there's a whole civilization in there.

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Well, there was a civilization.

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Was. Yes.

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I think the the the Amazon rainforest people that they encounter now, the uncontacted people are probably the survivors.

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Yeah.

Chapter 6: What implications do recent discoveries about ancient mummies have?

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I've been three times to Machu Picchu, and you're always... Oh, you went to Machu Picchu? Yeah, I went three times. And every time... Because you see photos and stuff. When you're actually there, your brain just goes, I don't understand. Because it's all theories. You'll have a guide who's like, this is how. And you're like, yeah, but this is your guess, motherfucker. You don't know that.

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It just doesn't add up in your head how this could be built.

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Well, the predominant theory by the alternative historians is that water was that high back then in that area. Yeah. And that there have been some enormous seismic changes, you know, earthquakes and the like, which is one of the reasons why they made those stones the way they did in the first place. Like, if you see the stones... They're cut like jigsaw puzzle pieces and slipped into place.

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The reason why they did that is because that would better redistribute any energy that would come from an earthquake. So instead of like bricks stacked on top of bricks, they're all like interlocking with each other with a bunch of different angles and they're immense.

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These pieces are so immense. And it's laying perfectly flush against the next piece. Like it's not like kind of sloppily thrown together. It looks like...

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architecture firm right designed it and hired you know like that there were cranes putting you're like how the fuck would this be put together in 1500 yeah it's it's really really difficult to figure out yeah they don't know and they don't even know the date the date is silly because they're not what they're basing the date off of there's a bunch of different structures there's the base structure which is way more complex and way bigger and

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Like, Speng Sox and Huaman and a bunch of these other places, they have layers of civilization that's really clear. Like, the layers above it are, like, less sophisticated than the giant megalithic stuff that's below it. And yet they all try to attribute it to the same time. The problem is they get married to a timeline.

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And once they get married to that timeline, then they go, oh, well, that's just what it is. That's just what it is. They don't know what it is. Of course. They've discovered this new stone structure that is in Oregon, and it's 18,000 years old. They didn't even think up until fairly recently. They didn't think that people were here 18,000 years ago.

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There's a structure in Oregon that's 18,000?

Chapter 7: How does red light therapy improve vision?

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I understand the skin stuff.

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Red light helps. Is it collagen or something? Put that into our sponsor, Perplexity. What is the benefits that red light has on your vision? Why does it work? But it works, 100%. I can tell you for a fact. There's two things that I've done.

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Chapter 8: What are the benefits of red light therapy for eye health?

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One thing, I've taken a lot of supplements for eyesight. I always talk about this company, Pure Encapsulations. I have no affiliation with them. I just buy their stuff. They have a thing called macular support. Yeah. Yeah, I take that stuff. So I take that stuff, and I've been very consistent with that. It has a bunch of nutrients.

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I showed it to Huberman, and he went over the list, and he was like, oh, this is all great stuff. I take that, and I do red light multiple days a week. And it took a while. In the beginning, I thought it was actually making my eyesight worse. Because your eyes are covered during it. No, I keep them open. You keep your eyes open?

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Yeah, red light therapy using deep red wavelengths around 670 nm, I don't know what that means, nanometers, shows promise in improving declining vision by boosting mitochondrial function in the retinal cells. Studies indicate benefits, particularly for age-related vision loss, that's me, macular degeneration and other eye conditions.

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Morning exposure appears most effective with effects lasting up to a week. So I do it, I try to do it three times a week. How long do you do it for? I do it 20 minutes. It says short sessions, like three minutes weekly, can enhance color contrast. visioned by 17 to 20% adults over 34 with greater gains in older participants. That's me.

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I'm getting it.

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It makes a big difference. Therapy supports retinal health by reducing inflammation, improving visual acuity, and slowing photoreceptor decline. Emerging evidence also suggests help for dry eyes, myopia, progression in children, and diabetic retinopathy. It works. I'm telling you it works 100% with me. I used to struggle reading the screen sometimes. It would be kind of blurry.

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I'd have to like, Jamie, make it bigger. Now I can see things way better than I used to be. When I said, Jamie, make it bigger, I used to say, I used to. I wear glasses all the time now. I don't need them when I look at text messages anymore. I don't need them when I read emails anymore. And I don't need them on my computer anymore, which is a big one. That's a big one.

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Because I always used it when I wrote. And then I realized the other day, like, oh my God, I'm writing and I don't have my glasses on.

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Joey Diaz will be so happy if I lose these. What are you doing with those fucking glasses? He goes, you're wearing your glasses.

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