Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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What's up, bro? Very nice to meet you. Hey, it's great to meet you as well, Joe. I really, really appreciate you taking me out here.
Oh, my pleasure. I've enjoyed your content for quite a while now.
Well, I'd be interested to know when was it that you first started getting interested in what I was doing? What kind of subject? What topic?
I wish I remembered.
Because I know you followed me for a couple years. It was before the Capra pyramid scans and stuff. You know I'm into the UFO subject and things like that, but I wasn't sure.
Well, it's all the silly shit that I love. Silly and serious at the same time. Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and obviously aliens. Oh, yeah.
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Chapter 2: What sparked Jay Anderson's interest in ancient mysteries?
And it's all cotangent. It all connects together. I think so, too. We actually played a clip. We did a podcast yesterday with Dr. Michael Masters.
Love him. Yeah, I've talked to him a couple times.
He was very fun, very smart guy, very interesting guy. But we played – we were talking about – he has a theory that aliens are human beings in the future. Yeah. It's a very strange theory.
Based on like kind of the anthropological – View and the physiology and how that might have happened over time and there's also what was the model?
There's the many worlds theory and then there was his model There's a different one that the concept is you could if you lived in the future you could go back in time and it would not affect the future because everything that's supposed to happen is already happening and you were supposed to go back anyway and Interesting. Okay. I tried to get my head.
But anyway, during that time, I asked him about the tridactyl mummies and then we played your clip. Oh, okay. Yeah, we played the clip that showed all the scans. We talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru and actually touched those things and was there with them and how surreal it was.
Yeah, I was in Peru recently not to go and see the Nazca mummies. I wish I could have seen them. I was out there to look at all the megalithic studies and the excavations going on at Sacsayhuaman, which is an incredible megalithic site in Cusco.
But the Nazca mummies, I mean, what's interesting about it is that obviously you're going to have a big knee-jerk reaction to something that's so incredibly profound as the idea of these being non-human intelligences that are mummified. But... When you actually look at the CT scans and the x-rays, you start to realize that this can't be fake. You can't fake bone cartilage.
You can't fake capillaries and heart valves and a fetus inside the body. It's so nuts. Dude, it's crazy. Some of them have eggs inside them. Some of them have fetuses. It looks like the eggs are big. Big eggs, like inside them. And these are small beings. These ones are meant to be like the little kind of like... 60 centimeter beings with like three eggs inside them.
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Chapter 3: What theories are presented about the Nazca mummies?
We've moved forward. There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data in a lot of these countries, whether it be Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, or the potential infrastructure below the Giza Plateau, and then the incredible megaliths in Peru, like Sacsayhuaman.
It just feels like what we're doing is rehashing the same status quo orthodoxy, and it's coming up against an ever-piling higher mountain of evidence. And one of the cool things that I got to do out in Peru was go to Saxa Woman, where they've got current archaeological digs going on through the Chincana Project, which is an archaeological team out there, and they're doing digs.
And they have actually discovered below, like, 10 meters down into the ground, precision carved blocks of stone that are coming out of the earth. And this is where, in this region, in Cusco, the Andean legends are that there is a vast labyrinth below ground connecting Cusco to Sacsa Woman, connecting Sacsa Woman to the Sacred Valley, all spreading out across the Andean mountain range.
And this is like an old legend. This is what the shamans and the sacred keepers of knowledge would say in Peru. we're finding evidence for it. We're literally going underground now and seeing that there are actually really precise elements of infrastructure below Sacsayhuaman. And they're just beginning to uncover this. I was one of the first to go down there and actually see these blocks myself.
And it's just like, this is happening now. We're actually getting to a place where we can start to validate some of these forgotten myths and folklores, or if you want to call them conspiracies or pseudoscience from the archaeological side of things. It's being evidenced now.
That's mad. So these tunnels, what is exactly the structure that's supposed to be down there, and what have they discovered?
So it's supposed to be called the chinkana, the labyrinth, and there's a few different chinkana entrances around the region.
How big is it supposed to be?
Vast multiple kilometers. It's stretching from down Saksa woman down into Cusco and then off into the Andean mountain range to the sacred valley Very similar to some of the stuff they found in Egypt. Yes.
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Chapter 4: How do ancient civilizations relate to current UFO discussions?
You have 200 scans of this? Show me more. Show me more. Tell me what's going on. We should probably figure out what that is. Imagine if the pyramids didn't exist. Or imagine if, like, you know the Sphinx at one point in time was mostly covered with sand? Yeah. Let's just imagine some crazy scenario where the entire pyramid structure is covered in sand. And nobody knows it exists.
And then someone comes along and does a scan of the surface of the ground and says... you're not going to fucking believe this, but there's some shit under there. Now, what if everybody goes, that's ridiculous, that's preposterous, and they don't look. Exactly. And they don't look. We never find the thing that we all agree exists, because you can go there, you can visit. Right. It's there, right?
If that didn't exist, you'd never fucking believe in a million years there's a structure with 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west. And you're dating it to somewhere around 4,500 years ago.
I mean, that sounds like some pseudoscience conspiracy talk to me, Joe. Sounds like kookiness.
Why is it more kooky to say these people not only were this advanced, they were even more advanced. Way more. They were down into the ground, two kilometers. It might have been a power station.
Well, you know, Filippo thinks that. He seems to think that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology and using mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in the Great Pyramid and the plateau itself. Because what you have is a very interesting coupling between limestone and rose granite. So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics.
And rose granite becomes electrical, piezoelectric, under mechanical stress. And acoustics are a form of mechanical stress. So there's certainly something to be said about the fact that the pyramids are acoustically tuned. They're incredible inside, the acoustics.
And they've done lots of measurements and experiments on validating that, that it almost seems to go up in a perfect scale up to the King's Chamber. And then the King's Chamber itself, I believe, is focused around 110 to 115 hertz, which is interesting for neurological reasons in terms of influencing the brain.
But on top of that, you have, again, this incredible coupling between limestone and rose quartz granite where under the right conditions, you absolutely could get energetic responses from that. But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge, which is really quite impressive. And when you look at places like the Osirian in Abydos, which is a kind of sunken down region.
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Chapter 5: What are the unique acoustic properties of ancient structures?
Well, they have models of the past. Exactly. You know, from core samples and things along those lines. But we do know that it's never static, and we do know that there have been these periods, and they do look like, you know, a strange graph. It's not a flat line, like, oh, look, it's all getting warmer. No, it's always crazy.
So, like, what is causing these dips and these rises and these weird periods that seem to be rhythmic? You know what I'm saying? It's not like there's an immense time of heating and then a small time of cooling. And then, no, it's up and down and up and down.
Well, it's almost like the heartbeat of the planet, isn't it? You look at the planet as some form of conscious entity. It's certainly capable of producing conscious beings on top of it. So I wonder about that. Yeah.
Chapter 6: How do ancient civilizations utilize sound for consciousness?
the mycelial network, these kind of elements to the planet that almost seem like neurological architecture.
Well, even if you could look from afar, if you could have the concept of the earth, like the water's moving, the clouds are moving. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's like a live thing almost. Obviously, it's not moving because it's tissue, but that doesn't mean that there's not a force that's all connected and working in harmony. Exactly.
Yeah. I mean, that's why I think plasmic intelligence is very interesting because it's this idea that a self-organizing plasmic structure could in some way create consciousness inside of it. And we don't understand where consciousness comes from. We still don't. So it's very open to the idea of possibility. And I've spoken to some pretty interesting scientists scientists like Dr. Salvatore Pais.
He's the guy that was responsible for the UFO, US Navy UFO patents that got put out a few years back, like underwater, undersea, plasmic generators and things like this. He was a US Space Force engineer, and he is very much of the opinion that plasma itself is capable of becoming conscious, not conscious on its own.
Chapter 7: What evidence suggests advanced technology in ancient architecture?
But 99% of the observable universe is made out of plasma. 99%, okay? Isn't it weird how we get taught about solids, gases, and liquids, but not plasma, the fourth state of matter? That's 99% of the universe. Why aren't we taught about that in school? That's weird. Weird, right? Do you ever remember being taught plasma in school? When did they start learning that?
Well, I mean, I don't know, but it's certainly before my time in school. I didn't get taught it, you know what I mean?
So why would they, are you saying that they perhaps are hiding this?
I think that there's things within plasma physics that are so novel and exotic, like any self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and the science that they're studying. Have you ever heard of the SAFIRE project? No.
Chapter 8: How do modern interpretations of ancient structures differ?
It's kind of gone quiet now. Hal Puthoff got involved with it for a minute. Where they're claiming to bottle the stars and they're creating these self-organizing plasmas inside these chambers that they were claiming could transform metals from one metal into gold or transmutation of elements and complete revolution of propulsion and energy. Then it just fizzles out.
I always wondered about that.
There is something to plasma.
Why were people really trying to make gold? That seems so crazy that you think you could make something like that. And I always wonder, did maybe somebody used to make it and they have like this story of how people used to make gold? Like if there was – like imagine the caps of the Great Pyramids are in gold, right? What if they made that gold? Right. Right?
What if they had gotten to – it's not impossible to assume – like if the earth creates gold – It's not impossible to think that we could take the elements of the earth and create gold as well. There's got to be a way to do it. Got to be a way to do it. Is there a way to create gold currently?
I don't know. That's a good question.
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Where they made experimental methods. I mean, gold plating is maybe what they're getting at. I don't know if that's... Unless they were trying to create gold.
A lot of alchemy is...
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