Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! Hello, Jungle Man. What's happening? Good to see you, my brother. What's going on? You got books? You got notes? I got books. Marshall's here with us. I got this for you. A little note in there you can read later. Jungle Keeper, buddy.
Yeah, the brand new, that's what, back from the Amazon with that. Nice. Marshall, say hi to everybody. Come here. I love that you bring Marshall. Has Marshall come on other podcasts? Yes, he's been on a couple. You're a good boy. You're a good boy. I just have to keep him from going under the water, little buddy. I've got to keep him from getting under the water. Come on up here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the best. He is the best. He's soft, man. He's got an amazing coat. Big sweetie. Well, he gets groomed. Oh, thank you. Thank you for the kisses. Okay. Okay, lie down, please. Lie down. Lie down, please. So. Oh, my God. You released that video. I saw the video of the uncontacted tribe. Yeah, hitting send on that was scary. Woo. Yeah. Wild.
I sent you a message that day when that happened. Yeah, you did. That is crazy. I've showed it to a few people, but we never showed it live. So, Marsha, you've got to lie down, buddy. You can't be climbing under the wires. Lie down, Bubba. Sit, sit, sit. Good boy, good boy, good boy. That experience has to be so insane to contact like legitimately uncontacted people. There they are. Yeah.
Ladies and gentlemen, do not look at their dongs. Do not. Well, I mean, you know, but also maybe take a style tip from them and tie them up. Weird how they got their waist wrapped up, but they don't have their dongs wrapped up or their butthole wrapped up. Well, it seems like they're trying to protect or they're trying to keep lots of rope. I think rope is like their main thing.
So that's how they carry all their rope. Interesting. They carry their rope around their waist. They carry their rope around their waist and they just want rope. They want rope and bananas.
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Chapter 2: How does Paul Rosolie describe his experiences in the Amazon?
Do bananas grow in the Amazon area? So bananas don't grow unless people plant them. So there's certain human settlements where you can find old bananas growing. But plantains really is what this is. And they were requesting them. What you see happening here is- They request them. Yes. They come out. And I mean, these are people coming out a thousand years late to society.
And they're out on the beach holding up their hands saying, nomole, we are the brothers. Nomole means brothers. And so now we actually think that they call themselves the brothers. Right. Whoa. And their first thing was, we want bananas. And so the local anthropologists that we were with, we were just there to work with the communities that we work with. And these guys came out across the beach.
And you see them. They're holding their bows. And those bows are six-foot bows, seven-foot arrows. And the anthropologists were saying, put down your weapons. Put down your bows. Before you talk to us, this does not need to be violent. Because their first... instinct is to defend themselves.
And so there's maybe 20, 30 of us and the local guys had a couple of shotguns just in case for protection because we were not initiating contact. That's the thing I've been explaining to everybody. We were just there working in the community. They came out to us. So they knew you were there and they came out to you. And how does someone speak their language?
There's one guy in the community that kind of speaks a little bit. They speak in the community. They speak Yine. The Mashko Piros speak a derivation of that. And so he's they're speaking in broken in broken terms across across the river. So they were sort of shirts versus skins. We were on this side of the river. They were on that side of the river.
And then, I mean, the courage of this guy to get in the river and go, you know, 10 feet from them and push the canoe. There was no contact, no physical contact made. But he gave them these plantains. And then you notice when they take them, it's not like, oh, yeah, let's take the plantains. We'll go back in the jungle and divvy them up. It's like what I get, I get. They're fighting over them.
And they were all screaming and fighting over them. So there's desperation there. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess food is fucking hard to come by, right? I mean, the jungle is filled with life, but it's still, it's got to be difficult to source, and you've got to do it every single day. Every single day. There's no refrigeration. There's no preservation. No, so everything is instantaneous.
You shoot a monkey, you got to cook it and eat it. You know, you get a turtle, you got to eat it. You got to open it and eat it. And so there's, I mean, you can see there's more, there's that questioning look on their face. They don't understand who really, who we are, And really the only communications that we got was we need more food and stop cutting down our trees.
They said, who are the bad ones? They said, of you, who are the bad ones? Why are you cutting down our biggest trees? Well, not just cutting down the trees, but also killing the indigenous people that protest it, that get in the way of it. If their tribe is centrally located in an area where they're chopping down the trees, they kill those people. Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do local communities face in the Amazon?
But we've already destroyed 20% of it. And so we're seeing the moisture cycle get broken. 20% of the whole Amazon rainforest. That's insane. And that thing is 2.7 million square miles. And I think the lower 48 is 3 point something million square miles. Wow. It's gigantic. Wow. And they've already killed off 20% of it. 20% of it's already gone. Is it mostly cattle running?
What are they doing it for? Cattle ranching accounts for 60% of Amazon deforestation. And then it's just development, roads. China has a new shipping port in Peru that they want to create, I think, a railroad over the Andes Mountains or through the Andes Mountains so they can start getting access to the Amazon for Asian markets.
Is it true they carved out a giant pathway through the Amazon for a climate change conference? You know, I've been trying to figure out if that's true. I saw that go all over the Internet. But it's one of those things like who knows if that's real. That and then the other one is they're like, you know, Swedish billionaire bought this much of the Amazon. And it's like, but what's his name?
They keep saying that. And I'm like, I don't. Well, let's put it into perplexity and find out if that's true. whether or not they carved out a pathway through the Amazon for a climate change summit. Because that sounds like horseshit. That just sounds too ridiculous. There's no way they would do something that stupid.
I don't know, but I did see people... Also, why would they have a climate change summit in the Amazon? Are you going to do it in a tent? No, I think they did it in Manaus. I mean, there are cities in the Amazon. There's Iquitos, there's Manaus. Right, sure. But you can fly into those cities. You don't need to carve out a fucking pathway.
But I remember seeing a video of this guy, and he was saying, like, this is where the jungle used to be, and now it's just this big road. And I was like, but again, who in charge of the climate? Unless they were going to have a climate conference and just local administrators and politicians said, well, we better get ready and clear this area. And, like, maybe it wasn't intentional. I don't know.
I mean, if they have pictures of it. Whoa, it's on the BBC. Amazon forest fell to build road for climate summit. There you go. Oh, my God, it's real. Oh, my God. A new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém. Oh, my God. Unless it wasn't Manaus. That is so crazy.
It aims to ease traffic to the city. Which will help climate. It's easier to drive when there's no trees. Which owes more than 50,000 people, including world leaders, at the conference in November. The state government touts the highway sustainable. I love how they use that term. Sustainable is one of those wonderful terms. You can just throw on things.
Sustainable credentials, but some locals and conservationists are outraged at the environmental impact. Yeah, duh. That's crazy. Look at that. You're chopping down trees to protest chopping down trees. That's fucking insane. Sounds amazing. I just, you know. At what point in time are people going to wake up? At one point in time, people are going to wake up.
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Chapter 4: How does the Amazon rainforest impact global ecosystems?
And so most of the forest... In terms of the growth of the plants, but did they do LIDAR to see if there's previous structures? Well, the good thing with the LIDAR is that they fly over. And so LIDAR confirmed... That over those human areas, like you get like a river confluence where two rivers are coming together, there'll be a human settlement there.
And in those areas, they find that the terra preta, they'll find that the plants occur in different abundance and diversity than in the other places. But that this message that the Amazon itself was engineered by ancient humans or prehistoric humans. Is not actually accurate. It was a wild jungle. So do you think they're saying it for clickbait? Did they make those articles for clickbait?
I think they're saying it because people build their careers on – if you come out and say I have a new theory about how this formed, it gets attention. There's even a – and nothing against – what's his name? Graham Hancock? Mm-hmm. Um, for a while everyone was like, oh, Paul Rosley used to debate Graham. No, I don't, I got nothing against Graham Hancock. He's great.
Um, but, but it's just the messaging isn't, is, is becoming that the Amazon was kind of manmade. And so what happens is you get leaders like in Brazil going, well, if the Amazon was really manmade, then we can manage it now. Uh, And it's just not accurate. I see what you're saying. And it's just been speciating and growing and evolving on its own.
And it's only in these tiny areas that humans have done this sort of engineering where there were tribes. The first one to come down the Amazon, he mentioned that there were tribes that had sectioned off parts of the river and they were growing the giant river turtles. And that was their prime source of protein. So they figured out how to get protein. Bigger than a giant river turtle.
Oh, tremendous. They're like three or four feet across from the carapace. Show me a giant river turtle jamming. Oh, they're huge. They're monstrous. Absolutely. We don't have them where we are. Like bigger than sea turtles? Like those sea turtles that you get in Hawaii? Sea turtle size. They're huge. They're absolutely monstrous. And then we found fossils over there. We were on a beach.
We found fossils of an eight-foot river turtle. Yeah, but see like that. Okay, so just like the ones you find in Hawaii. Those sea turtles are like, if you go to the big island, you could swim with them. It's pretty dope. Yeah, these guys don't have flippers, though. They still have claws. Okay. I mean, those are monster turtles. Massive. And so they were growing them, farming them for food.
They were farming them. And so in areas like that, you're going to see agriculture. You're going to see pottery. You're going to see terra preta. You're going to see things where there was a small civilization by the edge of the river that And then in the other 98% of the Amazon, no one's ever been there. Have you had sea turtle before? This kind of turtle, whatever it is, have you eaten it yet?
Oh, sea turtle, no. This? Yes. This turtle? Yeah? Absolutely. What is it like? It's kind of slimy. It's not like anything. It's very strange because you... They cook it and just, you know, everyone always, how could you be a conservationist and eat the animal? Because when you go to someone's house and they live on the side of a river and they go, we're having dinner, that's what they're serving.
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Chapter 5: What unique foods do people eat in the jungle?
It's like a small capybara with spots. And those, I mean, it's like squirrels, but they're big. They're like cat-sized and fat. People eat them all the time. Those are delicious. What's your favorite thing to eat in the jungle? Piranha. Piranha? Fuck yeah. Really? Oh my God, they're delicious. And when you fry a piranha, you make the slits along it. You just fry the whole thing.
You just pull it right off of its skeleton.
Chapter 6: How do you catch paku fish in the Amazon?
And the fins become like chips, like little salty chips. Oh, they're so good. You just put salt on it and fry it? Just a little bit of salt and then fry it up. And then better than the piranha is the paco, the big... In the piranha species, yeah. Those are invasive species in America as well. People catch them all the time.
Oh, they're so good.
Yeah, they catch them when they're like 40 pounds. They're huge. Yeah, someone caught a world record paca. Powerful, really powerful. Pacu, P-A-C-U, right?
Chapter 7: What was the experience of encountering a wild fish in the jungle?
Yeah, yeah. I want to say in Georgia, Georgia or Florida, somewhere in there, and fucking huge. Yeah. No, they're powerful. We fish for them. You have like a 10-foot pole with a rope on it. Yeah, there's a paku. Yeah, look at the size of that thing, man. That's crazy. 50 pounds. World record size paku caught in flora. There it is. 50 pounds. That's nuts. Dude, those are so nutritious.
When you eat them, you feel like you're just gaining muscle. Really? Yeah. You still eat a lot of elk. Oh, yeah. Don't you feel like it's like a superfood? Uh-huh. Yeah. This is how I feel. I live on these things. I feel like I just- You live on piranha. Yeah. Piranha and paku. Yeah. Wow. How do you catch the paku?
ten foot pole you have a piece of rope and you put like a piece of like last night's dinner you tie a bunch of rancid chicken you leave it out in the sun make it smell bad you go out at six in the morning so they're not vegetarians well they'll eat anything they specialize on the nuts that's why they have the human teeth those are the ones that have the human teeth when you open their mouth they have like molars and then like a few like front teeth
And so we go with this 10-foot pole. Nobody can make a sound on the boat. You're just floating with the river. You're like invisible. And you wait for a feature in the river, like a rock or a place where the water's rushing, and you smack it against it because they like that falling fruit or falling seeds. And when they hit – I'm talking about like a four-inch hook.
When they hit that hook, this is the thing because you're doing this for – you're doing it for an hour and you're like, all right, there's no Paco in here. Well, guess what? When they do hit it – they'll pull you right out of the boat.
I've been dragged straight across the boat where you gotta use one hand to stop yourself and the other hand's holding this pole and then your friend's gotta pull you back. You get this fish on the thing and it's going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Flying. How big are they that you're catching? You saw, they're big.
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Chapter 8: How did Jane Goodall influence Paul Rosolie's career?
You're catching them that big? Yeah, they're huge. And then you gotta have a hammer. Because you got to shut them off somehow. Right. Because you got to crack them right between the eyes. Because otherwise, they'll just either jump out of the boat or injure someone. Or destroy everything. That was the other thing. We were going upriver a few months ago. We're at night.
We're all just quiet in the boat. And we're going to go up to this tributary to explore it. And I had a group of tourists with me. And this girl was sitting on the front. And all of a sudden, I feel something go past me. There's something. And all of a sudden, I got wet. And all of a sudden, I hear bang, bang, bang, bang, bang in the boat. I'm going, what the fuck is going on?
I turn on my headlamp and there's a Paco in the boat. And the girl that was sitting on the front, her head is bleeding. One of those huge ass Pacos jumped out of the river in the night, hit this girl in the head and then fell into the boat. Whoa. And so we just grabbed, yeah, we just ate it. But I mean, that Paco was in the middle of the Amazon at night, just jumping around, enjoying itself.
And it just jumped in the wrong boat. Wow. Wow. Two foot fish flying through the air. And that's your favorite, that's your favorite thing to eat. Absolutely. What else is really good to eat? There's these little cup mushrooms that are really good. You fry them up with garlic. You do that in Paco. Now you're talking good. My friend Roy is a chef. He's the president of Jungle Keepers right now.
He's a local guy, and he focuses on Amazonian cuisine. And so he goes and he picks all the right flowers and funguses, and he'll take Paco, and then he'll flavor it with a type of orchid thing and like – All of a sudden you have this amazing food. And like Lima, they have, you know, Peru's become this amazing place for food. Peru is great food. Wow. He does the jungle version. Wow.
So it's not like nasty monkey soup. Not turtle. It's the curated, you know, five-star version of jungle cuisine. So that's number one. Paco's number one, 100%. I mean, even right now.
Yeah.
I think I tried alligator ones, but it didn't leave an impression on me. I haven't really. Also, I feel like they're my friends. Really? Yeah. How so? I like them. Just because they're cool? Well, I mean, I work with them a lot. I'm always catching caiman. I always see them on the side of the river. You know, nobody's serving me.
If they were serving me Cayman, then it would be just like the monkey where it's like, all right, I got to eat it. But nobody's serving me Cayman. So I'm not going to go. So that's not a staple of their diet? No. In the north, in Iquitos, they eat a lot more Cayman. So you don't see Cayman. On our river, there's still, there's a Cayman on every beach. There's Jabiru storks. There's kukoi herons.
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