#2448 - Andrew Doyle
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What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Yes. And Drew. Hello. Good to see you, brother. Good to see you too. It has been, you said, six years almost to the day. Almost to the day. Last time. Lots changed. Right before everything went crazy. That's it. Right before. Yeah, the whole world sort of shifted after that. Because everything went kooky around March, right? Yeah, so it was February 2020, and then we have COVID, and then we've had Trump in between that. We had BLM. That summer of 2020, everything just exploded. Yeah. Yeah, and then everything shifted. And then you wrote a book. I wrote a book. It's called The End of Woke, How the Culture War Went Too Far and What to Expect from the Counter-Revolution.
Isn't that how it always goes, though?
How has the world changed since February 2020?
It goes like we go too far, and then we overcorrect, and we become Nazis. Yeah. That's it. Exactly. Well, it's the opposite. We go socialist. It's a big pendulum. I get that. So it goes back and forth. I mean, I was trying to in that book, I'm trying to make the point that what woke was, was like a kind of the latest manifestation of. a kind of innate authoritarian impulse. I think human beings are, by default, quite inclined towards just shutting people up if they don't like them. Yeah. Just imposing their authority. And so woke... I mean, a lot of people are annoyed that I've called it the end of woke. I'm not saying it's all over, let's just go home, forget about it.
What is the central theme of Andrew Doyle's book 'The End of Woke'?
It's still going on. But the point about it is that... In its current manifestation, things are changing now so rapidly. We are moving into some sort of new phase. And that authoritarianism, which we've associated with the left, might come up from the right. It could come up from anywhere. It's what you say about the pendulum. So you just have to be kind of vigilant about it. I don't think we were vigilant. I think that's why woke happened. We weren't vigilant against this prospect that authoritarianism could emerge in what we thought was a free society. Well, authoritarianism, it snuck in through a sheep costume. Yeah, a wolf in a sheep's costume. Yeah, it was a costume of being more inclusive, being more open-minded, being a better society, being kinder.
It led to child trans surgeries. It led to chaos. It led to a lot of really fucking freaky things that you would have never expected people – People saying that the First Amendment's not important. What's more important is protecting people. Well, that was the key, wasn't it? The point was that the way it worked was that it was gulling people through language that sounded really sweet and kittenish and fluffy. You know, things like equity. Well, that sounds a lot like equality, doesn't it? Right. It doesn't mean equality. It means treating people unequally to ensure equal outcomes according to group identity. That's a very different thing. You say you're talking about let's make everything inclusive. But what you really mean is let's exclude anyone who disagrees with what we've got to say.
So you're using language to mean the exact opposite. They say gender affirming care. Do they mean that? Or do they mean affirming what is effectively a pseudo-scientific belief among vulnerable people? So it's all about misusing language because most people think, or like to think, are pretty decent. Most people want to be kind and want to be fair. And when you hear these activists saying, be kind, be compassionate, or else, Right. You know, you kind of think, OK, well, maybe their intentions are good, but also they're pretty scary. I mean, there's a there's a weird there was a weird thing with the woke thing, which was that on the one hand, it proclaimed to be this sort of great, virtuous, kind, progressive right side of history.
How often did you hear that phrase? Right. And at the same time, they're like dangerous dogs. I better not piss them off. I better not say the wrong thing in the workplace because they'll destroy you. Well, I always find that the most preposterous the idea is and the least capable it is to stand up to scrutiny, the more violent it is.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–0:50
2
How has the world changed since February 2020?
0:50–1:27
3
What is the central theme of Andrew Doyle's book 'The End of Woke'?
1:27–8:31
4
How does language shape our understanding of social issues?
8:31–1:16:24
5
What lawsuit did Fox Varian win and why is it significant?
1:16:24–1:17:08
6
How do parenting choices affect children's identity exploration?
1:17:08–1:18:05
7
What are the implications of the Tavistock Pediatric Clinic's findings?
1:18:05–1:19:25
8
How does the discussion of gender identity relate to societal changes?
1:19:25–2:39:27