Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Yes. And Drew. Hello. Good to see you, brother. Good to see you too. It has been, you said, six years almost to the day. Almost to the day. Last time. Lots changed. Right before everything went crazy. That's it. Right before. Yeah, the whole world sort of shifted after that. Because everything went kooky around March, right?
Yeah, so it was February 2020, and then we have COVID, and then we've had Trump in between that. We had BLM. That summer of 2020, everything just exploded. Yeah. Yeah, and then everything shifted. And then you wrote a book. I wrote a book. It's called The End of Woke, How the Culture War Went Too Far and What to Expect from the Counter-Revolution. Isn't that how it always goes, though?
Chapter 2: How has the world changed since February 2020?
It goes like we go too far, and then we overcorrect, and we become Nazis. Yeah. That's it. Exactly. Well, it's the opposite. We go socialist. It's a big pendulum. I get that. So it goes back and forth. I mean, I was trying to in that book, I'm trying to make the point that what woke was, was like a kind of the latest manifestation of. a kind of innate authoritarian impulse.
I think human beings are, by default, quite inclined towards just shutting people up if they don't like them. Yeah. Just imposing their authority. And so woke... I mean, a lot of people are annoyed that I've called it the end of woke. I'm not saying it's all over, let's just go home, forget about it.
Chapter 3: What is the central theme of Andrew Doyle's book 'The End of Woke'?
It's still going on. But the point about it is that... In its current manifestation, things are changing now so rapidly. We are moving into some sort of new phase. And that authoritarianism, which we've associated with the left, might come up from the right. It could come up from anywhere. It's what you say about the pendulum. So you just have to be kind of vigilant about it.
I don't think we were vigilant. I think that's why woke happened. We weren't vigilant against this prospect that authoritarianism could emerge in what we thought was a free society. Well, authoritarianism, it snuck in through a sheep costume. Yeah, a wolf in a sheep's costume. Yeah, it was a costume of being more inclusive, being more open-minded, being a better society, being kinder.
It led to child trans surgeries. It led to chaos. It led to a lot of really fucking freaky things that you would have never expected people – People saying that the First Amendment's not important. What's more important is protecting people. Well, that was the key, wasn't it?
The point was that the way it worked was that it was gulling people through language that sounded really sweet and kittenish and fluffy. You know, things like equity. Well, that sounds a lot like equality, doesn't it? Right. It doesn't mean equality. It means treating people unequally to ensure equal outcomes according to group identity. That's a very different thing.
You say you're talking about let's make everything inclusive. But what you really mean is let's exclude anyone who disagrees with what we've got to say. So you're using language to mean the exact opposite. They say gender affirming care. Do they mean that? Or do they mean affirming what is effectively a pseudo-scientific belief among vulnerable people?
So it's all about misusing language because most people think, or like to think, are pretty decent. Most people want to be kind and want to be fair. And when you hear these activists saying, be kind, be compassionate, or else, Right. You know, you kind of think, OK, well, maybe their intentions are good, but also they're pretty scary.
I mean, there's a there's a weird there was a weird thing with the woke thing, which was that on the one hand, it proclaimed to be this sort of great, virtuous, kind, progressive right side of history. How often did you hear that phrase? Right. And at the same time, they're like dangerous dogs. I better not piss them off.
I better not say the wrong thing in the workplace because they'll destroy you. Well, I always find that the most preposterous the idea is and the least capable it is to stand up to scrutiny, the more violent it is. the enforcement of that idea will be because you cannot combat that.
You can't defend that idea with logic, so you have to defend it with fear and force and just shouting people down, and that's what we saw. It's a natural impulse of human beings. When you're arguing with a kid, you know, when you're a kid and you're arguing with a kid and you say something, you don't even know you. You shut the fuck up. It started scaring you.
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Chapter 4: How does language shape our understanding of social issues?
Oh, wow. It's that sort of family. That's an old thing they used to do with kids. They just put it in their babies. They put it in their mouth. It worked. Like they would dip their finger in whiskey and rub it on the inside of a kid's mouth. If you're struggling with a child, get it drunk. That's how you do it. It's old Northern Irish wisdom. I don't think you should scoff at it.
It's a good thing. But I'll be more than happy to. It's grossly offensive. It's grossly offensive. The example I was going to give was this guy called Darren Brady. And this sounds made up. And whenever I tell people this, it sounds made up. He posted a meme. I don't know if you saw this meme where it was the four progress pride flags. You know, it's got the crazy triangles and stuff in it.
You put them all together and become a swastika. Exactly that. Right. And that was going everywhere. And he posted it. And there's a video of him being arrested, put in handcuffs. He's an army veteran, by the way. Right. Put in handcuffs by the police. And the policeman says in the video, you caused someone anxiety.
So the actual language from the law is being used for this rearrangement of the... And you know what? That's quite a good satirical point that he was making. It wasn't even his meme. He was just retweeting a meme. But even if it was some horrible, offensive thing, who cares? How is that offensive? Well, I guess, I mean, well, you can find that's the problem. You can find anything offensive.
You could find anything grossly offensive if you're extremely sensitive. You could. But wasn't there a point to that? I mean, he was kind of saying that the LGBTQIA plus movement has become quite authoritarian. Yeah. He's not saying they're actual Nazis. And he's saying, oh, isn't it quite funny that when you put them together, it looks like a swastika.
The idea that you get handcuffed for that, to me, is crazy. Especially for a retweet. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. It's retweets. It's tweets. It's posts. We've had memes are the big ones. So there was a guy called Lee Joseph Dunn who went to prison for eight weeks. That was last year, I think, for three memes that he posted. Eight weeks. Eight weeks in prison. Again, I don't know.
I'll tell you what the most offensive of the three memes was, and you can tell me whether you think it was worth prison time. He put a picture of some immigrants with knives, and underneath it said, coming to a town near you. And that was it. So I don't know if you think that's worth prison time. That's the most offensive one? Of the three, that's the most. What's the least offensive one?
I can't remember what the other two were. Because I remember I looked at them, I thought, well, that's not even worth, that's not even worth thinking about. But this one was the one that really, because they say in England, you're stirring up hatred against minorities through the spreading of the meme. Right. You know, but that's clearly not sufficient.
You know, and I think in the US you have, you have far more protections. I wonder whether it's to do with the fact that in the US you have the First Amendment. Like you have something codified that says you can say what you want. We've never had that.
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Chapter 5: What lawsuit did Fox Varian win and why is it significant?
I mean we've just had the other day – was it yesterday? Did you see the girl who was – used to identify as trans, a girl called Fox Varian? has just won $2 million in a lawsuit. That's big because- She was 16 years old and they chopped her breasts off, which is fucking horrifying. It's the tip of the iceberg, though.
Especially if you have children, you realize they change the way they think about things year to year. Children are so malleable. It's like one of the delicate dances of being a parent is that you have to love them, but you don't want to steer them in any direction. You want to let them be their own person. Right.
Chapter 6: How do parenting choices affect children's identity exploration?
And, you know, it's like I tried to expose my children to a bunch of different things and find out what they enjoy. And if you do that, you find out that they're all different. They all like different stuff. They just gravitate towards different things. And if you are a domineering, overbearing, mentally ill parent, you can convince your child almost anything. Almost anything.
I mean, this is how you get suicide bombers. This is what it is, because they're children. This is why you don't get 55-year-old union guys who become suicide bombers. They're like, what? And of course, you know. I get 72 virgins?
What?
Like, it's not going to work. But you can get young, impressionable children, and you can convince them of almost anything. Like, convincing them that they're actually a woman in a man's body, and don't you want to be a woman? And let's get you on hormone blockers. Okay, mom. And then all of a sudden, you're ruining this child's life. But also, I mean, there will be kids.
Chapter 7: What are the implications of the Tavistock Pediatric Clinic's findings?
who are struggling with how they see themselves in the world. There's girls in particular who, you know, they're developing into women and they don't like the sexual attention they're getting. They'd love to identify. This is Abigail Shrier's book. Right. Especially autistic girls. Well, that's another point. So this is the other reason why I think the movement is essentially anti-gay.
Because, you know, the Tavistock Pediatric Clinic in London, which was an NHS gender clinic, which has been closed as a result of the CAST review, this report into pediatric gender care. They found there's a book by Hannah Barnes called Time to Think, which found that between 80 and 90 percent of all adolescents referred to that clinic were same sex attracted.
So they were either gay or lesbian or bisexual. Now, that means you've effectively got gay conversion therapy going on on the on the NHS. And so, you know, I had, you know, I'm friends with a couple of lesbians who run the LGB Alliance in London. They have an annual conference for gay rights and they're talking about gay rights.
You know, these young non-binary identified people broke in, unleashed locusts and crickets and insects, a plague of fucking locusts into a gay rights conference. Isn't that the sort of thing neo-Nazis used to do? Right. I mean, I, you know, I think you need to have sympathy with people and whatever they're going through. But don't tell a child if a child tells you, I think I'm in the wrong body.
Don't say yes.
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Chapter 8: How does the discussion of gender identity relate to societal changes?
Say that's not possible. Human beings can't change sex. But let's explore psychotherapeutically what needs to happen. Let's look at Los Angeles, which is, in my opinion, one of the most mentally ill spots in this country. It's a very weird place. That's why you left. Well, I mean, I left for a bunch of reasons. Mostly I really left because they were telling us we can't do comedy. Oh, yeah.
Well, that'll do it. They closed down the comedy clubs and Texas was open. So the primary reason. And also restaurants. I just knew where it was going. But the point is, like, Los Angeles is a very mentally ill place. Like...
If you just looked at just the sheer numbers of people that are medicated and fucked up, if that's the place that's dictating the tone for the rest of the world, that's dangerous. Because these are a lot of people that just desperately want attention. They desperately want to get accepted. They have to go through the audition process.
So they have to change who they are to talk to the producers to try to form themselves into something to be accepted. Yeah. There's a disproportionate amount of trans kids that are involved in Hollywood families. It's largely disproportionate. Of course. Some of them have two trans kids, three trans kids. It's like, what the fuck is going on here? This is not normal.
This is not no influence whatsoever. This is... You're using that child as a virtue flag. You're flying that child as a trans flag in the front of your porch. I have a trans kid. But don't you think that like a lawsuit like this, that's going to change things because no one's going to ensure that kind of procedure anymore.
That's a surgeon and a psychotherapist who are now lumbered with a $2 million bill. Yes, and it's going to open up the floodgates for all these other lawyers to start pouncing on all these other cases. That's what I mean. The horrible thing about these cases is not just that these children have their lives ruined by these surgeries and have been sterilized.
It's also that they've been attacked so ruthlessly. You're talking about children that have made a mistake. Or someone coerced them into making this mistake that's changed their body for the rest of their life, and they're getting attacked online. Yeah. Like, imagine being a fragile child already who's willing to go through this procedure, can't believe they did it.
Now they don't have breasts anymore. Their voice is deep forever. They're all fucked up. Yeah. And then people are screaming at them online. Yeah. And it's crazy. But, you know, this is how the satanic child abuse panic of the 80s. Yes, exactly. This came to an end because of lawsuits.
When, you know, when they started, when they realized that these psychotherapists have been using these leading questions, effectively telling them you've repressed the memory. You know, there was that book, The Courage to Heal, where it said, if you think you might have been abused, you probably were like such a reckless thing to say. Right. And all these people accused.
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