Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Raul, very nice to meet you, brother. It's so good to be here. I have enjoyed your content tremendously online, and I really got into a video this morning that I was watching where you found this megalithic site that was undocumented in Peru. It's incredible that they still have these ancient sites that, for whatever reason, it seems like... The money that they get gets stolen?
Like the money that is supposed to be allocated towards documenting these things and registering these things and people just say, fuck it, I'm going to pocket it and... It happens a lot more than you think. It's just hard to believe, man. Some of the stuff that you document is very heartbreaking.
Like one of them was when you flew a drone over these ancient ruins and you showed the amount of places that have been looted.
Oh, yeah.
And it's just all of it. It's just – you see these holes. And when I first saw it, I'm like, what is he showing me? And then you're like, these are all spots where someone has dug in and looted. And most of it has been done in this area of Peru over the last 20 years. Over the last 20 years. So from 2006 to 2026, more –
I would have – the biggest amount of looting happened – it's actually died down some, but the end of the – so 1980s to 2010s, I would say. That's when it really – Like when it really took off. And you can tell from the trash that's left there, like cigarettes that were only produced in the 80s. Oh. Soda bottles that were only produced in the 90s.
How nice of them to steal the artifacts and leave trash. It – They've become landfills of human remains. This place you're talking about is, I mean, it's eight full kilometers of just, it looks like the moon. Every single location has been looted. And I was like, I got to go up there and see what this looks like. Pull up to the microphone a little bit more there.
So looting, what are they, at that point in time, I mean, these are hundreds, thousands of years old, these sites, so what are they finding? Well, a lot of the mummies that I've, because I've found mummies that have been torn apart, literally, like they're, the cotton that they're wrapped in, the textiles that they're wrapped in, I mean, it's just, they've been scavenged.
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Chapter 2: What ancient sites are being looted in Peru?
I mean, it takes up... This is another... This is a different looted site. So this is all... All of this is in the Paracas Nazca Ica region. And these skulls are just sitting there? So the looters will oftentimes leave... I don't know, set them up in this fashion. There isn't a site I've gone to where I haven't seen something set up like this in the end. But so I pull out to show the scale of it.
I mean, every little piece of white you see is some part of a human. Wow. It's tragic, man. There's just so much history lost. And so does this stuff wind up in private collections? Do museums ever get it? What happens to that stuff? I don't think museums get it at all. It's a private thing. I actually met a – the term is huaquero. It's a grave robber.
I actually met one in Miraflores in Lima proper at one of the artesanales where they're selling ancient goods. Well, some of them have real things that they go out and they loot and – I mean that – This is one of the things I've been thinking about like for the future, like what can be done about this because the government – nobody from the government is going out there.
And so these things end up in private collections, textiles, humans, pottery, things that you would see in museums. It's just nobody from that official – administration is taking the trip to go out there and preserve these things. It seems like just the ancient civilization of Peru is a massive mystery. It seems like there are a lot of uncovered stories in that area. Peru is a hot spot.
And it doesn't seem like there's an incredible amount of research being done other than by independent people. I mean, so... Joe, there's just so much in Peru. I mean you throw a stone and you're finding an ancient archaeological site. I mean they're doing – whenever they do construction, they end up coming across structures or bones.
I mean this last expedition, I went all over the country and there is no lack of archaeological sites.
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Chapter 3: What evidence do we have of looting in Peru?
So the money and – The money it would take to fund research on all these places is just extreme. It's extreme. I think there's a lot of history that goes missed because of what's currently happening. But a lot of times, a lot of the research is focused on what's going to bring tourism. Right. Like Machu Picchu and things along those lines, which is also insane. Phenomenal.
It's just incredible. Like, that place is like, what? Why? How? Why'd you build it up here? Fucking nuts. A good friend of mine just actually went, just recently took his family up to Machu Picchu. And he's like, it doesn't even make any sense, man. Yeah. Dude, Machu Picchu is what started it. My family's from Peru, and so I would grow up going there.
And I have this old, back when you were filming with cameras with like a videotape, there's footage of me finding seashells at Machu Picchu. What? When I was like 10 years old. Back then, you could go wherever you wanted. You didn't have to stay on a path. And for people that don't know, Machu Picchu is like, what, 12,000 feet above sea level? Yeah, yeah. And so and so I'm a kid.
I mean, I still have the footage, the grainy footage. And I'm showing my dad on the camera like, Dad, Dad, look, I found seashells. You know, I saw them in in inside of they were like glinting in the mud in the wall. And so I took them out. And that's what started this whole process for me. I was just like that. It blew my mind that there were seashells way up there. And.
So I studied about earth cataclysms and ancient history and when sea levels were different. And that is a moment that started kind of this whole path for me. How old were you at the time? 10 or 12. Wow. Wow. How many times have you been there since? Well, growing up, we used to go every year and a half or so, and that's continued into my adulthood.
It's only been recently, the past two years, that I've been doing what I've been doing, which is like hardcore solo expeditions. And so when you look at a site like Machu Picchu or, you know, any of these ancient sites, what is the timeline that conventional archaeologists attribute?
I mean, they attribute it to the Inca, which, you know, late 1400s, early 1500s, the Inca were conquered by the Spanish in 1530, I think. And... So most of that megalithic architecture they attribute to the Inca. However, there's evidence that – there's a site, Jamie, if you could pull up. It's called Vinyake.
This place is – there's megalithic architecture with precision that goes down 50 feet under this mountain. It's – check this out. Whoa.
Whoa.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the findings on ancient civilizations?
I'm like, so when it comes, I'm just like, let's go. Let's go. Well, you know, that's part of the Bob Lazar lore. I remember. Bob Lazar said that when he was told that at least one of these things came from an archaeological dig. Like, what? What do you mean? He's like, that's what they were telling me. I don't know. But they told me that one of them was from an archaeological dig.
So these things are really old. Dude, and his accuracy with Element 118, 115, something like that. From 1989 when Element 115 wasn't even discovered until the 2000s. I mean, that's why when he's – I forget who I was talking to outside, but we were talking about – I think I was talking to Jamie about that, about Bob Lazar talking about some of these things coming from archaeological sites.
Yeah. Let's go find it. You know what I mean? Well, that's where it gets really weird. Where it gets really weird is these mummies.
We're going to go to the mummies. Eric Burleson, a representative, talking about how he's asked the White House to give DOD the power to let them go see this stuff, including a buried UFO.
Portedly an object that is not in this country, that is so large it cannot be moved. that they've built an entire building around it. And I think either Greer or another individual has actually mentioned this site, but I'm not going to mention it because it is a classified location.
But there is a really apparent... There's reported a really large object, and that's one of the locations that I'm requesting to get to. It's going to involve a lot to get to make that happen, but... That may be the final destination.
Shit like that makes me want to run for president. Because that's all I would care about. The economy would be in shambles. I'd be like, show me the UFOs. Do you think they'd do it? No, they'd kill me. I mean, on that need-to-know basis where they're keeping stuff from presidents. Kennedy got too close. I don't think that's what they killed Kennedy for. But I think there's a bunch of things.
No, there's... There's a whole lot of layers. Yeah, but the UFO people love to think that it's UFOs is why they killed Kennedy. But they think everything is UFOs. But it definitely seems like – I don't know about the evidence because it's just stories.
And that's the problem is that a lot of this stuff – and this is how I feel when a lot of people come on the podcast and talk to me, supposed whistleblowers. Some of them I think are legitimate. Yeah. And some of them, I think, are disinformation specialists. I think they're designed to muddy up the water. And this is what they're saying is designed to muddy up the water.
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Chapter 5: What role does research play in creating video content about archaeological sites?
So when I do this, half my half my role here is like I'll go out and find these places. And then on the back end, when I make these videos, I go hard on the research. Like I spend too much. Pyramids, Puru Lin. That's just so you can have a sense of scale. Thank God for drones, huh? 100 percent. Okay, so that's a platform.
Chapter 6: How do ancient structures relate to natural disasters like tsunamis?
So that is the remains? So right back, if you look back on the horizon, that's the coast. So this is right on the ocean, which means... This has been inundated for millennia by tsunamis. It looks like it. It really does, right? It looks like it's completely washed over. Look at how the sand is formed. I kept that in there. That's the wind. The wind is so strong.
I messed up my first drone flying it here. But check this out. I keep this in so you can just... There's another one. Oh, it gets better, man. That seems like a riverbed. It completely seems like water's washed right over this whole area. I bet if you look at it from far above, it's even more evident, right? Yeah. Look at that. Wow. And they're all the same. They all have the same shape.
And what's the conventional explanation for this place? There was one study done on this, and it was a brief survey in 1970. And this guy- That's it? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. However, the archeologist who did that survey, there's another one there. The archeologist who did this survey has been quoted in the past 30 years saying he always wanted to come back here and do more research.
He just never did. It's not an easy place to get to.
Chapter 7: What evidence exists for the age and purpose of the pyramids in Peru?
But what they dated it at is even in that report, that 1970 survey, he's saying 1800 BCE, but likely look at that. Wow. Here's something unique. If you pause it real quick. All right. So I looked on Google Earth and those toward the top center, you see those two block looking things. All right. So I was like, I thought they were megalithic. They're not all of these.
All of these pyramids are carved out of the bedrock.
are carved out of the bedrock and the only place that there were looting pits are behind those two stones at the top in that little alcove of the mountains that was the only place so i went there and there's bones there so that's where people were buried and i'm like why are they burying people here and i stand right in the middle and it's facing 89 degree almost perfect east west that little gap so like that that's where they were burying their elite people um
So where the sun would rise in the summer solstice. Yeah. Now, how old is this site supposed to be? So they said in that report, he says 1,800.
Chapter 8: How does social media impact the discourse around archaeological discoveries?
They found one piece of pottery that's documented. This is from a 1970 study. Yeah. And so they're saying 1,800 BCE. That's right around when pottery started. But in that report, he says it's likely older as well. He thinks it's older. It needs more study. But that was it. That was the only thing that was put out there. I mean, this is 16 pyramids here.
And if you look in my drone footage, you'll see it looks like there's another thing here, another thing there. So it's in the neighborhood of 4,000 years old, but possibly older. Correct. And I think it is. I would stake everything on it being found to be much older. Pre-ceramic, pre-pottery. The pre-ceramic thing is nuts. All right. So, like, here's the thing. What are they using for utensils?
What are they using for plates? Like, what are they using to put their food on? And then if it is pre-ceramic, what kind of tools do they have? And how are they carving? How are they building these pyramids? This out of the bedrock. I mean, imagine the amount of effort it would take for a human being banging a rock against another rock to try to do that and then to make it flat.
Are these things level? Have they... They're... I mean, this is the only modern—most of my footage is the only modern media. What? In existence of some of these sites. That's crazy. Of that site? Imagine if you didn't exist. Imagine if you weren't exposed to that as a 10-year-old. Yeah.
I mean, that's— This is just going to sit there for another thousand years before somebody else figures it out? Yep. Or it gets paved over.
God.
That's why I'm doing it, man. God, it's so weird. But how weird is that? How weird is it? It's just you. Raul, what kind of weight on your shoulders is there that this one fascinating site, you're the only guy that's got video of this? Modern video? That's crazy. Thanks for having me on. You're getting kind of choked up about it. Yeah, man. I mean, it's...
It's a lot of work, you know, and it's just it's something in me that I've. Well, it's it's obviously very compelling to everyone that really pays attention to. Is this the. That's when you look on the satellite. And again, this is the thing. This is not like they put some rocks in place. They carve these things out of the bedrock and they're fucking huge. That's what's so crazy about it.
I just, I had to, I mean, getting there was... Like, what are we looking at, man? Like, that's the thing. Like, what are we looking at? And why in Peru? And what happened to this area where they had so much, so much sophisticated, complex construction that was absolutely abandoned and there's almost nothing left? So they, over the course of history, what they've found is that
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