Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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That's just unreal. It's unreal.
It is unreal because it shows you how many people are just absolutely fascinated by the story. and what you guys have done in this new film is essentially recreate s4 and using ai recreate you as a young man in these experiences that you had and it was really excellent luigi uh you're the one who put the film together you Figured it all out.
And first of all, what was the technology that you guys used to recreate everything?
Yeah, I just want to say there's there's about 10 percent AI in the film, but there's 90 percent blender. And that's actually handmade CGI. So everything you see is all handmade. And even the de-aging of Bob Lazar, we scanned Bob.
We went over to his house, scanned his face, took a process of de-aging him through that, then creating a digital model of Bob in different ages, and then placing him in the environment. And then... In some instances, at the very end, we perfected or kind of put a bow on it with a little touch of AI. But the whole thing is handmade.
So the craft, the environment, the Papoose Lake, the facility, the equipment, and the people were all made. And some of the people are actually real actors that we put in there. So it's not – there's one of the guys that is Barry in the film. is a guy called Luis Martinez that's been working with me for the past 10 years, and he laughs at it because he goes, I can't believe I'm Barry.
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Chapter 2: How is AI used in the new film about Bob Lazar?
I don't know. You know, I kind of thought at one point after all this happened, we would at least hear from one of those guys. But I never heard from anybody after the initial – The release of all the information, yeah.
It seems like, well, I don't know. If people are able to keep secrets for this long, it's got to be very difficult to just blurt it out. Like, you know, you're holding on to a secret for 20, 30, 40 years. You're
I guess. These guys were lifers, though. I mean, they spent most of their time there. They spent at least two weeks at a time and one week off. So they stayed at the base. I mean, these guys were hardcore. I had just come in on the project, you know, so... I don't know. I don't know what happened to him. I'd love to know. I suspect that Dennis Mariani, my supervisor, died.
I've seen people track him down, you know, all the way to point to speaking to his family. And they said, yeah, he had some classified job out in the desert or something.
Chapter 3: What technology was involved in recreating Bob Lazar's experiences?
And they showed me his gravestone and stuff. So, you know, at least they were able to track him down. But I've never heard of any leads on Barry or Renee or anybody like that.
What is it like seeing the recreation of it in a film? Because, I mean, essentially it was your direction, for lack of a better word, your description of it, you telling them exactly how everything was laid out. And then once they recreated it, what is that feeling like when you watch it?
Well, the final product is absolutely mind-blowing because, as I've said to Luigi, it looks like you guys downloaded that out of my brain. I mean, you know, you can describe something a hundred times, and until you actually make a picture, it doesn't become clear. But, you know, this took years. I think it was like five and a half years from when I first met Luigi.
And he said, yeah, I can do this. And the quality kept improving to where he started showing me pictures. And I went, Jesus, that's that's really it. It's not really it. It's really it. And I mean, it blew me away. Later on, he showed me a 3D environment where I could put goggles on and move around inside. I mean, that made the hair stand up on my arms. It was unbelievable.
So I don't know if I could really describe how that made me feel, but it felt like I was teleported back there. And that's when really I developed an admiration for Luigi's talent. I said, you know, I'm behind this and flew out to Canada a couple times. I didn't have much to do with the film other than, I guess a couple times going out there and going, no, that's right. That's the wrong color.
Move this here. Do that. But those guys spent over three years working on it. And they never showed me anything. I'd speak to Luigi a couple times a month, and he'd always say, oh, my God, you won't believe this. I said, show me. No, it's not done yet. So I really didn't get it to see anything until close to the end.
But when I did, really, without trying to sound dramatic, it really put tears in my eyes going that that's it. That's it. You did it. Just stop. It's perfect.
Well, I had the pleasure of watching the movie with you and sitting there with you. There was a bunch of times in the movie you were like, whew.
Yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 4: What emotions does Bob Lazar express while watching the film?
And it's kind of like they left that out that this, by the way, this isn't ours. And Barry is the guy that filled me in going, no, no, no, this is an alien craft and we need to figure out how this works. Look at the technology here. I mean, this is decades, light years ahead of where we are. And, uh, It was a shock, really, to me.
I remember going home that night and just laying in bed and reviewing everything that everybody said that day. And I really don't remember how I felt the following days, but it was just a different feeling.
Like the world just changed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was... I don't know. I really can't put it into words.
Well, I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine what that experience is like. And it's also very strange that they would bring you in and not specifically state to you that this is not ours. They just bring you in and just give you a directive. This is what you are trying to accomplish.
Well, they gave me a bunch of briefings. Everything was moving at a very fast pace, and I don't know why. I think I mentioned in the movie – Right prior to I got there, there were Russians involved. And from what I can ascertain, there was an exchange of information. And then we discovered something, something of great importance.
And, of course, kicked the Russians out and just held on to that information ourselves. And there was kind of a... knowledge vacuum there. There was also an accident and I was told I was replacing someone that was injured. I believe he actually died.
There's no record of who this person was or has anybody ever tried to figure it out?
I don't know. I don't have any names. I just know that Barry told me, you know, I'm replacing somebody that he used to work with. And he was without a lab partner for a while. So when I came in there... How long was a while? I don't know. But, I mean, that brings up a good point.
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Chapter 5: What controversial lunar project was planned to demonstrate U.S. power?
Yeah. I mean, that's crazy. You know, there was another test planned to blow up on the moon just to make the Russians look, you know, like we were awesome.
You know. Detonate the moon. What if they pushed it away and fucked up our orbit?
Chapter 6: How was the reactor technology explained to Bob Lazar?
Yeah, I think that would take a lot more. I know. I mean, I don't remember what the project. Project A-19. Oh, A-19. That was it.
Study of lunar research flights.
Detonated nuclear bomb. Yeah. I can't pull up these numbers, but yeah, Project A-1-1-1-A.
Chapter 7: What unique experiences did Bob Lazar have with the craft's reactor?
Crazy. Yeah, we're going to do that. Because everybody on Earth could just go outside and look up the moon and get blown up.
And the explosion would be faintly visible to the human eye, to people on Earth.
Yeah. I still think they should have done that. But...
Yeah, but you're the guy that put a jet engine in the back of a Honda. Like, let's see.
I honestly think they should detonate a nuclear bomb on the 4th of July every year. But that's just me.
Well, also, you live in Nevada. That's where I used to live. I had a long history of them doing that.
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Chapter 8: What implications does the technology have on our understanding of gravity and time?
Oh, man. So going back to this reactor. Yeah. How was it explained to you? Did they explain to you how the technology works or what they know about it?
Now, the way it was explained to me is when I got to be alone with Barry, he said he was excited to show this to me. He said, I'm going to turn – this is the reactor that we assume powers the craft. Sorry. No worries. I'm going to show you the reactor that powers the craft. And he turned it on. Small little dome on a flat little plate.
Was this in the craft or was this on a table?
This is in the experimental area. Okay.
So this was not the one that was in the sport craft. This was another one.
This was another one.
This is it right here. Yeah, that's it. That's in the film.
Yeah, on the table. And he had it there, and he went over to the emitter and rotated it, and he said, try and touch it. And I put my hand on it, and it rebounded off. And I... The closer you got to it, the more it pushed back. And that's a real shock because there's nothing that pushes back like that. That's a living force field. That's science fiction stuff. So that really got my attention.
So explain what is happening in terms of the rotation of this thing. What is happening? What energy is going into it that's causing it to go on?
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