Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Yeah, I was listening to Tim. First of all, hello. What's up? Good to see you, my friend. Great to see you. We were listening to Tim Dillon. I was listening to it on the way over here, and he was talking about Anna Paulina Luna and Tim Burchett and Trump. They're all talking about the UAP disclosures and, like, why now? Like, what are they doing? Like, why are they distracting us with this?
Tim Burchett said that whatever they're going to release, it will be indigestible.
What does that mean? Right. Indigestible as in, well, then it doesn't mean that it's real then.
Well, I think it means that it'll be so crazy if it's real. So crazy. He's the one that's been saying that there's these confirmed bases under the ocean, that there's these specific locations. I think you talked, you're shaking your head. You don't believe a word of it. No. How come?
I think it's true that there are, look,
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of UAP disclosures?
It's completely implausible that there aren't other species. Right. Completely implausible. Just the vastness of what we're dealing with. So the real question is, like, why haven't we encountered people or those things, those beings? Right. And it's probably because they just—they have bigger fish to fry. So by the time that we meet them and they meet us—
we're going to kind of be at the edge of like, we've kind of been there, done that on our own planet. And then we've kind of like developed the technology, I guess, to get beyond it. But somewhere along the way, there must have been a few, just mathematically impossible. So then the question is, is it buried? Or were people confused when it first came?
You're like, if you had a spaceship land in like the 1800s, what would people have done?
Chapter 3: What does 'indigestible' mean in the context of UAPs?
They would have just freaked out. They wouldn't have understood it. Maybe they would have buried it. Depending on where it was, maybe they started to pray to it. Right. And you would have just moved on. And then that isn't documented in history. But it is. But how?
It is. There's a lot of it documented in history. Oh, you mean like hieroglyphics and like monuments? Well, the Book of Ezekiel. The Book of Ezekiel goes in depth about some sort of a UFO encounter that Ezekiel experiences. Right. Where it's... wheel within a wheel and a cloud with fire flashing forth continually in the midst of a cloud as it were gleaming metal.
And for the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures and the creatures darted to and fro like the appearance of a flash of lightning. This is all in the Bible. Um, it's also in the Mahabharata, um, They talk about Vemanas, these flying crafts.
And I think it's entirely possible that we have been visited periodically and that we have been monitored and that we are monitored currently. And if I was going to hide, I would hide in the ocean.
Well, to be honest, as I get older, I'm convinced we're basically in some form of a simulation. There's like all these little ingredients that if you start to see these little clues, you're like... They all seem so odd in isolation. And then when you put them together, I feel like a crazy person, so I ignore myself. Right. But I wonder, like, why did this happen?
Like, yesterday I was at a dinner in L.A. before I came to see you. And I told this very interesting story. Well, or I thought it was interesting at the time. You know that, like, so 2000, right? If you think of, like, what happened in tech since 2000, so the last 26 years.
People can give you all kinds of fancy theories, but there's this weird word that's been at the center of every single technological revolution for the last 30 years, and that word is attention. Let me explain this to you. Google, they invent Google. What is Google? Google is an algorithm. It's called PageRank. But if you look inside of it, what is it?
It says, well, Chamath's website has five links to it. Joe's website has two links. He's getting more attention. Okay? Chamath's website is more important. That's the sum total of Google. Now, they've made that a lot more refined, and they've done all these other fancy things. But it's all about attention.
Fast forward to 2007, 8, 9, when Zuck and then when I went to work for Zuck and we got on the scene, we're like, what does everybody care about? Attention. And so what is like the Facebook algorithm? What's the Instagram algorithm? How do we construct newsfeed? all around attention. Joe had 35 likes. Jamie had 12 likes. Your thing is more important.
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Chapter 4: How is attention a critical factor in technology?
You bring up, you know, whatever you want to bring up, people just kind of take aside. Nothing happens. This is actually where people are universally actually much more aligned than you think because there's reasonable ways. One simple way is you'd say, well, let's flip the taxation model. Corporate taxes should exceed personal taxes. They've never...
we should have an expectation that then corporate actors can buy down their taxes if they want, but if they do social good for society. I'll give you an example. The Industrial Revolution, there's a table like this and the leading lights of that era, Andrew Carnegie, Nelson Rockefeller, Jay Gould, J.P. Morgan,
They sat together and they said, guys, this is going to benefit us, this industrial revolution. It may not benefit everybody. What is our responsibility? What is our collective responsibility? And they allocated tasks. Carnegie went and built libraries all throughout the country. Rockefeller built universities. Hospitals were built.
And I think what happened is society was like, wow, these are living testaments to us doing well. And so then they were okay with this transition. But if you think about it today, what are the living tributes that capital builds and leaves behind for society? It's fewer and fewer. I think that's a very big opportunity for somebody to fill.
I think it's like, especially for folks in tech, I think, if they can get themselves organized to do that, I think we land in a good place. If they cannot get themselves organized to do that and say everyone for themselves- I think it's going to be really complicated, super messy.
Super messy because- Super messy. That sentiment that the wealthy are getting wealthier and the middle class is disappearing and the poor are being taxed into oblivion.
Well, look, an $80,000 a year teacher pays 40% tax. But if you're a multi-billionaire, most of your wealth is not W-2 wages. It's cap gains. But there's all kinds of ways to shelter cap gains. There's all kinds of ways to defer. And so even though you pay more on an absolute dollar basis, on a percentage basis, you're paying way, way less. And all of those tricks have been exposed.
They've all been exposed. These are all mechanisms that were invented from the 1980s to now by all the banks and all the folks that wanted to come to folks that had wealth. And it's all known. And I think people are kind of like, hey, hold on a second. This just doesn't feel fair anymore.
Absolutely. But the other problem with that is If you do tax correctly, where does that money go and who's managing it? And ultimately, who's managing it is the federal government and they've been shown to be completely inept at managing your money correctly. The fraud and the waste is off the charts. the amount of NGOs that have insane amount of funds at their disposal.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of technological advancement on human nature?
Like UFOs is a great example. UFOs. It's not really fucking – I mean ultimately it may. So there's this thing that we all have like recognizing the potential for danger, right? Like what's that sound? What is that? It might be nothing, but it might be something. Go look.
So look, if you and I were designing a video game – we'd probably sit there and say, okay, we got to get from point A to point B, but to make it fun, we're going to put all these little distractions and honeypots along the way. And what they should be doing is accumulating resources to get over the river and then accumulating weapons to fight these other guys.
But instead, we're going to put this little thing over here and this other thing over there, and you could easily get distracted. And some people will have to, they'll just fucking beeline right to the end of it. They'll... you know, they'll get to the end boss. And I feel like that's kind of what we're tasked with doing every day.
We're tasked with, we know what's important, maybe deeply in our DNA. And then we have all this stuff that we're supposed to pay attention to. And I think increasingly the game is, tell yourself that that's actually not the thing that matters. It's almost like working against you. and figure out what this other stuff is and focus on that and fix that.
Like politics is a game that I think distracts like left and right. It's so stupid and it's breaking down. And it's breaking down because now it's like, it's actually like you're more likely to find alignment based on age versus by political orientation. Like people who are 30 and younger, it doesn't matter what they identify as, they all believe in the same shit. A lot more.
Yeah, like meaning like if you ask their views on, Social policy, taxation, Israel, if you ask their views, what you find is now a convergence between the left and the right, if you divide it by age. At our age, it's still much more about- But not completely uniform. No, it's not completely uniform.
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Chapter 6: How does the concept of voluntary adversity shape our lives?
But my point is, it was simpler in the past. to organize people independent of age by political orientation. That simplicity is gone.
Well, isn't that because of also a breakdown in trust of all government in particular? So the breakdown in trust, which is also a lot of it is because of our access to information now. We understand how corrupt politics are. We understand insider trading now in Congress. We understand how different people flip-flop on issues.
We understand how the Democrats in 2008 used to view illegal immigration, which is essentially MAGA plus. I mean it's MAGA on steroids versus like what they – the way they look at it today. Like why is that? Well, it's because it's all game. It's all a power influence and a tension game. Yeah, it's very fucking strange. But it's all moving us in a general direction.
And that general direction is access to innovation. I've said this a lot of times, and if people have heard it before, I apologize. But if you looked at the human race from afar, if you were something else, you'd say, well, what does this species do? Well, it makes better things constantly, even if it doesn't need them. Like, you know, if you have an iPhone, I have a 16, you have a 16.
I have a 17. I bought it. I haven't even fucking turned it on. I haven't plugged it in. I didn't even bother buying this 17. Eventually, I'll fucking plug it in and fucking swap everything over and figure out where my fucking passwords are. But the reality is you don't need it, but you want it, and it's going to keep getting better every year. Why? Because that's what we're obsessed with.
This also aligns with materialism.
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Chapter 7: What role does community play in personal development?
Like for a finite lifespan, why are people, like including old people, so obsessed with gathering stuff? Well, because that fuels innovation. Because if there's no new things coming, there's no motivation to get the newest, latest, greatest thing. And ultimately what that leads to is greater technology, which ultimately leads to artificial intelligence.
My slight deviation from that is I think sometimes people accumulate things because it's a status game. And that's because they get more attention. You have a Ferrari, you get attention.
Right. But what does that do? It makes Ferrari make better Ferraris. And all technology moves in the same general direction. No one company says, this is it. This is what we make. It's perfect.
So you think people innately feel that by being a part of this kind of like consumerist capitalist system, They're contributing to progress?
I don't think they innately feel it, but I think that's ultimately the result. What happens? That's ultimately the result, and it seems to be universal. And it seems to be constantly moving in this one general direction, which is better and better technology.
But like the stage fright example, you don't think it's encoded in our DNA, this idea of like, wow, when I am a part of this in some way, shape, or form, just things seem to get better and I want to be a part of that? Do you think that that's possible, that that's encoded in us?
I think it motivates us to the ultimate goal. And that ultimate goal, I think, is that human beings constantly make better stuff, whatever it is, better buildings, better planes, better cars, better phones, better TVs, better computers, better everything, artificial life. That might be the whole reason why we're here.
And the way I've always described it is that we are a biological caterpillar that's making a digital cocoon. And we don't even know why we're going to become a butterfly. But we're doing it. We're doing it and we're moving towards it. And it might be what happens to all life all throughout the universe.
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Chapter 8: How does the conversation conclude regarding success and fulfillment?
And it might be why these so-called aliens or whatever the fuck they are. It might be us in the future. It might be other versions of human beings that have gone past whatever this period of development that we're currently involved in right now. This just might be what happens. This is what life always does. It might realize that...
Biological life, which is very territorial and primal and sexual and greedy, and it has all these problems with human reward systems, ultimately develops into this other thing. Right. And that's what we're doing. And we're in the process of that right now.
And I think that when, if and when, not if, but when we colonize Mars, I think that that new world order actually has the best chance to take shape.
You know, there's a lot of people that think that Mars was already colonized at one point in time. That life already existed. What, what, what? That life already existed on Mars like many millions of years ago. And that there's evidence of structures on Mars that's really weird stuff. Have you ever seen the square that they found on Mars? No. Okay, show them to him, Jamie.
One of the things that they're finding with scans of Mars, there's like geometric patterns and structures and right angles that shouldn't exist, like weird stuff. That couldn't be naturally. No, no. Way weirder. Way weirder than like the face on Cydonia. The Cydonia thing is interesting. Yeah. And then this one. Look at that. What the fuck is that? It looks like a home of some kind. Right.
Some enormous structure. And the size of that, they don't know exactly, but it may be as large as several kilometers or as small as several hundred meters. But they're not exactly sure. But what they are sure is that it has very weird right angles and right angles that seem to be uniform in size.
That's crazy.
Like, see how it's highlighted in the enhanced photograph in the upper left? Like, what is that?
But sorry, were they able to send, like, the rover over there? No, it's too far away.
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