Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Hello, Julia.
Hello, Joe. Pleasure to meet you. Yeah, I'm very excited. So you said you had questions for me? Yeah. We can start with your questions. Excellent. First of all, tell everybody what you do. Okay, let me just change the angle of this. Just so folks just tuning in right now are like, who is this young lady? Thank you. I'm a year younger than you. A year younger than you're young. Nice. What do I do?
I was trained as a scientist, cognitive neuroscience and computer science, and did some AI stuff, did some stuff with the human brain in terms of trying to understand how time works in the human brain. And then I got really interested in how funky time works in the human brain, like precognition, which is, of course, predicting future events in ways that we don't normally think about.
That's how I found out about it.
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Chapter 2: What is Julia Mossbridge's background and expertise?
It was the Popular Mechanics article. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. And then a bunch of other stuff that I looked at. And then a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. And then I got interested in just the idea of what we call exceptional human performance. So I actually don't think it's that exceptional.
I think people have these capacities and they've been dampened down and they're in us and they can be developed. And some people have them just sort of naturally. I'm a person who has some of them just naturally, not all of them. But there are people all over who have these different gifts. And how does that work? And so that became a question that was interesting to me.
Well, it's always interesting when this question is asked by an actual scientist. So you approach it by, let's try to gather data. Let's try to find out what we can actually show. Because so many people have feelings that there's something else. Like you have intuition, you have some sort of pre-knowledge of events and some feeling of something. You're thinking of someone and they call you.
Is that real? You know, that kind of stuff has always puzzled people. So it's always fascinating when someone like yourself actually spends a lot of time studying it and trying to gather data and trying to show what's real and what's not and what you can actually show. I agree it's fascinating. I'm not sure it matters.
So, I mean, my experience has been that sort of regardless of how much time I spend studying it and how much I see it and how much I can test different controls to make sure it's not this, that, or the other thing and that it really is getting information from the future or it really is telepathy, people still kind of don't, in the science world, tend to just ignore it.
Or it actually is actively suppressed. I mean, there's some papers that I've published that just won't get listed in Google Scholar, even though they're in peer-reviewed journals with other articles that do get listed in Google Scholar. So it's frustrating, and who cares, because it's just an academic complaining. But I'm also not an academic. I also want to build things. I'm into making stuff.
So I got my PhD at these tier one research institutions like Northwestern. Got my master's at UC San Francisco. I did my postdoc at Northwestern. So fancy dancy institutions. So I learned a lot about how to think and how to write and how to do these kind of experiments. And I know what I'm seeing. And I keep seeing it. And other people who study the same stuff keep seeing it. But it is...
It is inside of me or there's something inside of me that wants to create things with this. Okay, so this is happening. People have these capacities. They're actually useful. What can we do with them? And it turns out you can do a lot.
with them if you feel like you are allowed to have them, if it doesn't feel like it's verboten, if it doesn't feel like shameful, which is part of the cultural piece.
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Chapter 3: How does Julia define exceptional human performance?
Or foolish. Or foolish, which is part of the questions I wanted to ask you. Okay. So what I notice when you talk with people is you seem like a tough guy, but you're really sensitive, like you're an incredible, obviously an incredible listener, and you learn all these things,
And you're putting together, just this is my impression, you're putting together a kind of a map of the world, like a map of knowledge of the world through all these different people's eyes. And my question for you is, how do you see culture shifting? Because I think you're really sensitive to it. And I think you're kind of like one of these signal fish that are at the
You notice what's happening in the environment and you're going to guide a school of fish accordingly. So do you think that the culture is shifting towards sort of better use of these, I guess, exceptional or these natural capacities that we already have? Or do you think that we're shifting away from it and we're going to run away in fear? That's a good question. Okay, so...
I think that because of conversations like the ones that you've had and the ones that I've had, the ones that are available online, I think people get a much deeper understanding of so many different topics and so many different things than has ever been available through whatever you want to call the mainstream media.
And when you have these inherent prejudices in higher learning, whether it's people that don't want to be foolish, so they don't want to entertain certain notions or they don't want to accept certain things because it goes against things that they've taught.
and things they wrote about, we have a problem of ego, and ego becoming a wall to gathering more information or getting a better detailed map of the landscape. And I think there's way more people that are... pondering these ideas and having these conversations and thinking about these things than has ever been before. And I think that's one of the really beautiful things about the internet.
The internet has made much more information available And many more people are thinking about these things in ways that – if you were in an environment where your career depended upon you following certain lines and certain narratives, you wouldn't pursue that because that would be detrimental. Right. to your own personal interest.
Like if you wanted to get ahead in academia and all of a sudden you're talking about psychics and premonition and people are like, oh, Julia's a fucking loon. But you're courageous and you see value in these things and because you can come on here and talk about it instead of just addressing a class or selling a book that's gonna reach a few thousand people,
We can have a conversation where 10 million people are going to listen. And so then those 10 million people are going to go to work and they're going to tell their friends at work like, hey, this is, you know, you know how that feeling that you get where sometimes, you know, something's going to happen and happens like that might be real.
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Chapter 4: What role does intuition play in human experience?
It's about being foolish. I was just thinking today I had this amazing high school biology teacher. who had us go outside and he gave us these little note cards. And he said, on one side of the note card, I want you to write a question about your environment. Look around, you know, the plants or whatever. Pick something, the dirt, whatever.
And write a question you think Einstein would ask about this. And then he said, okay, now flip it over and I want you to write a question that like a two-year-old would ask if a two-year-old could, you know, write. And my favorite side was the two-year-old. And at the end he said, now Einstein was more like the two-year-old. He said Einstein was full of wonder and confusion and uncertainty.
And he just asked questions and imagined things. And that's how I want you all to learn to be. And I was just like, yes. That's a good teacher. That's an amazing teacher. And so then I went to graduate school and I went in the world of academia. And I was like, there's all this pressure to –
You write your grant after you've done about three-quarters of the work so that as soon as you get the grant, then you can publish the papers that go with the grant. So you're not really discovering anything. You're kind of talking about, here's what I already know, but I'm acting like I haven't looked at it yet.
And there's pressure to follow, as you said, follow the line of thinking for both funding and for your career. And I was told very nicely by wonderful people who wanted to support me that if I took the stuff about psychic stuff off my resume, I would have a perfectly good resume for academia. And I was like, are you crazy? This is the stuff that's actually interesting?
Why would I want to take it off? But that's what took me away from academia and made me realize I had to put one foot in building things. I could leave a foot in academia, but I had to bilge it because academia is so slow. They can learn something, and then 10 years later, they're like, do you think it's true? And then 20 years later, they're like mad. Maybe we can make something with it.
And it's like, but at the same time, you have to be careful. You don't get to just say, well, I just know people are psychic and therefore, you know, screw it. So, yeah, there's this dance. There's this dance there. But when you were saying this thing about people afraid to be foolish, I wonder how much it helps me to come from a family of very foolish, eccentric people. I'm sure it helps a lot.
Because I'm not afraid to be foolish. In fact, I just know that I am. Well, I think intelligent, kind people don't mind talking to people that occasionally say foolish things.
Or things that could be perceived as foolish because they're willing to take chances and look at these obscure topics and strange phenomenon and just – and not worry about the stigma that's attached to these subjects that keeps supposedly intelligent or serious people, people that want to be considered as serious people from discussing. Yeah. Well, like when you said the thing about Bigfoot.
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Chapter 5: What significant dream did Julia Mossbridge have and what did it symbolize?
And I had a dream one night where He came to me and all he did was show me this like, it was like a sun where you could see the sunspots. And it was just slowly turning. And it was beautiful. And he just gave it to me. And then the next day I was working with him over Zoom. And so I asked Maria, I said, can I ask him a question? You know, and she said, sure. And I said, you know...
Last night, you gave me something. You gave me a shape. What was the shape? Because I hadn't told Maria about the dream or anyone else. It was just my dream that I wrote in my journal. And I was thinking he would say ball or sphere, and that would either be a good guess or it would be telepathy. But he goes... I still can't get over this.
I sent you a pre-revolutionary orb with four stars on it, slowly rotating. What is a pre-revolutionary orb? I don't fucking know. I don't know. With four stars on it? With four stars on it slowly rotating.
Chapter 6: How does Julia describe her interaction with the non-speaker during the experiment?
But that's not exactly what you saw in the dream. Well, there were these sunspots. So, see, there's a poetic license that they have. I would say that's 80% correct. So it was slowly rotating. And there were these sunspots that I was calling sunspots. He was calling stars. And it was definitely an orb. What does pre-revolutionary mean? I don't know.
They talk about, and I talk about in my book, The Love Revolution, this idea that we're moving towards a time when we can actually use love in our lives to communicate and to connect people together. but maybe that's what he means. So that's one instance. So I sort of go, okay, that was interesting.
Chapter 7: What insights does Julia share about the concept of retrocausality?
And it kind of blew my mind that he used that language. He's just gifted at interesting language. And then this other non-speaker who worked with Natalia, who was the young woman you saw on the left who also works with a lot of spellers, just decided to start reading my mind like we did. He started...
I asked Natalia, I said, can we just do an experiment where I'll be doing something and I'll know what I'm doing at that time. And you just ask one of your students to read my mind and then no one else will know what I'm doing and she won't know what I'm doing. And so what I was doing was doing this remote viewing for a friend.
And so I knew exactly what I was doing during that time and what I was thinking. But what I was thinking about was, remember that comet, Three-Eyed Atlas? So I was thinking, I was kind of obsessively thinking about Three-Eyed Atlas, like, what is it? What's the deal?
Chapter 8: How does Julia connect her psychic experiences with her childhood and scientific research?
It was during that exact time in December last year. And he comes back with some stuff I don't understand, like poetic license, I call it poetic license, or just it's wrong, that I don't understand where it came from. And then he says, oh, and Three-Eyed Atlas. And he talks about this owl that I saw in a video when I was doing the remote viewing.
And I was like, so Natalia didn't even know what three-eye atlas was. She had to look it up. And the parent didn't know what three-eye atlas was. And he spelled it three-e-y-e atlas, right? So it was phonetic. Yeah. And then later, a couple of weeks ago, I get a text from Natalia that the same student who apparently has now felt perfectly fine reading my mind said,
tapped into my mind when I was thinking about a medication that my stepmom was taking. And he used her name, which Natalia didn't know, and told me that she would be okay on the medication, that it would help her. And then told Natalia to text me, and so she did. The three I atlas in writing it as E-Y-E is very strange. That's hard because that's not how it's written anywhere. Yeah.
So the fact that he wrote it I-E-Y-E means he was hearing you. It's how you would hear it. What the? What the hell? Yeah. How weird. So there's no way I can explain. Also, he came up with my son's name, which Natalia did know. So that could have been from her. But still, he read her mind. Did you ask him more about this pre-revolutionary orb with four stars? Like, why did you give me that?
What does that mean? I wish I did. One thing I know with this particular participant is that he's so gifted and his family asks him a lot, like, about to do mediumship stuff. Like, what does grandpa think about this or whatever? And in fact— Yeah, yeah. And to him, there's not a lot of difference. And so, yeah.
And they also, like the grandmother had a lung transplant and they asked who the donor was and he identified a probable donor who lived in the area who had died that day. And they won't know for a year if it was the actual donor because it takes time to learn who the donor is, but they're pretty sure that it probably is. But so...
Boy, if it turns out that he's right and you can't find out for another year. Yeah. Or they won't release the information. Well, you know, yeah, my husband had a double lung transplant. It just takes a while. Everyone has to agree that they want to release the information. But in any case, he's just really good at this. Like he's very skilled.
And I didn't want him to feel like he was a show pony. And I wanted to get on with his lesson. And so I didn't want to ask other questions. I feel like, you know, he'll probably just show up in my dream and tell me at some point. Yeah, but do you think that he even would think of himself as a show pony? Like, wouldn't it just be communication?
He doesn't, but I didn't—also, I wanted—like, I feel like— I would want to know. Why'd you give me a son? Of course I wanted to know, but also— What's pre-revolutionary? What do you mean? I agree. I mean, he's the kid who—
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