Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!
Great to see you. Great to see you.
What's happening?
Putting out an album.
This is the power of music. I told my wife that you were coming on, and she said... I don't want to get a... She said if I die... on my funeral, I want her song, I'm Coming Home.
Really?
Yeah, and I was like, ooh. I was like, that's a heavy thought. And then I listened to it in the gym, and I was like, god damn. I listened to the version where you were on the piano. It was like a solo concert. And I was like, god.
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Chapter 2: How does Skylar Grey describe the impact of music on personal emotions?
That's such a... It's such a great song, but it's such a crazy thought that someone would want a very specific song. Man, heavy way to start the podcast. I know, but that's the emotion of real music. It's like you sent me a text message about AI, because you sent me one of your songs, and you're like, AI is never going to recreate this.
I said something like, I don't think it's capable of writing stuff with this much emotion yet.
Well, it's not real. It sounds cool. That's what AI does. There's cool songs that come from AI. But there's always going to be, and I completely agree with you, there's always going to be a thing. We know a person wrote it, that they sat down and they wrote it, and there's this connection with their spirit and their creativity that comes out.
And that's what people love about music, other than stuff that sounds. I like AI music because it sounds cool, but I know what it is. I know it's just a robot.
I mean, I think it's, you know, sometimes it's good for certain things. But the type of music that I make personally, it's like very therapeutic for me to write. I always am writing from like a true emotion. So, yeah. Marshall's giving you true emotion right now.
Yeah.
It all has its place, though. I think AI is an interesting, it's just like another tool. I feel like that, you know, when Auto-Tune first came out, people were bitching about that. And even like my first albums I recorded with my mom when I was a little kid, we did it on two-inch tape. So there was no computer involved.
So then computers got introduced, and people were bitching about that, like, this isn't real music. It's just like all these technological advances. To me, I see them as just tools that creatives can use to get their vision across.
What was Peter Frampton using back in the day? It was like a tube or something, right?
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Chapter 3: What are the challenges of AI in music creation?
So.
There's an entire podcast with me that I never did. Really? Yeah, there's a whole conversation with me and Steve Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs. It's just me and Steve Jobs talking about stuff.
Is it the visual too?
No, it's not the visual. This one's just an audio one, but eventually I'm sure there'll be a visual one of that. There's definitely ones of me talking to people I've never talked to because people pretend they've been on the show for fun and have a conversation with me. It's very strange.
Very strange.
Yeah, we're living in a weird, blurry time.
Yeah.
Like the lines between real and not real are getting very blurry. Like it's an introduction to the Matrix. Like we're getting like the first whispers of the fog of the Matrix as it envelops us.
Yeah.
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Chapter 4: How did Skylar Grey's early experiences shape her music career?
Well, he's probably an artist that didn't make it as an artist and he had to become an art teacher instead.
Exactly.
And so he's like bitter and...
Yeah, well, we realized that, too, when we looked at his actual art. We were like, huh. That doesn't sound very good. Not so inspired. There's not a lot of fire in that belly. You know, he's just a boring dude who's just, like, depressed and sad, and he probably drank a lot. We see a skinny person with a big belly. Usually that's, like, booze. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Armra.
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I mean, there's a lot of people like that, even in the music industry. I feel like a lot of the experts in the game are just people who were artists and didn't make it, and now they're bitter, and then they try to tell you how everything should go or how you should do everything.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
That got me for a while when I was really young.
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Skylar Grey face living in isolation?
Was it an outhouse?
No, it had a flushing toilet and a shower. But it was like a standalone? But it was separate from the cabin and like down a path.
By itself?
Yeah.
Just a bathroom?
Yeah. I don't know. Well, because the cabin was like an old fire lookout that they turned into a cabin. So it didn't have like plumbing or something. So they like add, I don't know, but it was really beautiful. And it was also at the top of a sand dune. So I couldn't drive up to it. So I had to park down the hill and hike to it.
How far was the hike?
Like a quarter mile.
Every day?
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Chapter 6: How did Skylar Grey overcome her fears of mountain lions?
So the Sundarbans is this area in India that's notorious for tigers eating people. And apparently... Let's just Google this number because I'll fuck this up too. I think over the last 200 years, something insane like 300,000 people have been killed by tigers. What? In this area. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of villages there and then there's also typhoons.
And apparently when these storms happen, sometimes people die and they wind up in the river. And, you know, they get washed away. And then tigers apparently developed a taste for human. And then there's also this thought about the water. The water is not fresh. It's brackish. So the water has a high salt content in it, but they still drink it because it's the only salt water.
So they're probably constantly irritated. Yeah. The Sunderbands, usually prone to attacking, sometimes eating humans, causing dozens of deaths every year. But not every tiger there is a man-eater. Aww, sweet. Historical reports suggest Sunderband tigers regularly killed 50 to 60 people per year, with some estimates over 100. especially including unreported cases.
Most recent expert estimates put the average about 22 to 23 human deaths per year in the Sundarbans, far lower than the popular perception. Well, there's like clusters of attacks. Oh yeah, here it is. Local news reported clusters of attacks, multiple fishermen and crab catchers killed within a month, showing that risk can spike in certain areas or seasons. I had a bit in my 2009 comedy special
about this attack that happened in the Sundarbans where there was four guys in a boat And this tiger swam out to the boat, killed a guy, dragged him to shore, dropped his body off, jumped back in the water, swam to the boat, killed another guy, jumped back in the water.
Holy shit.
Did it with three guys before he got tired. And the last guy is just fucking shitting his pants on the boat by himself. One guy lived. So these are the people that would walk around with these masks on the back of their heads. Oh, wow. Yeah. So... I did the right thing. Yeah, you did the right thing. Well, at least for tigers. I mean, all cats. Isn't that crazy?
Look at these people all living around there. These are honey collectors in the Sundarbans to prevent tiger attacks. You got to know there's a lot of tiger attacks when you're wearing a fucking mask around your head when you're going to work.
Yeah, that's creepy.
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Chapter 7: What led to Skylar Grey's breakthrough in the music industry?
Probably 20 minutes. 15, depending on how much you scream. Yeah. Yeah. We've had to deal with those, too. Did you have a gun or anything when you were up there? No. No? Did you think about getting one?
No, I didn't, actually. I had an axe.
It's better than nothing.
I was just chopping wood because I had a little wood stove.
But if you were really afraid of mountain lions, how come you didn't get a gun?
I don't know. I didn't even think about it. I don't know why.
Wow. That would have been the first thing I thought of. There's not a fucking chance in hell I'm walking around there without a gun.
Yeah. I don't think at that point I was into guns yet.
Are you into them now?
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Chapter 8: How does Skylar Grey plan to approach her music moving forward?
I lived in a place called Gold Hill. It's like north of Boulder. So it's like 3,000 feet above Boulder. It was fucking beautiful. Gorgeous. I would have stayed there. Um, it's very high altitudes, like 8,500 feet above sea level. And my wife got pregnant. And when you are, um, if you're pregnant at very high altitude and you're not accustomed to that, it's like you have the flu every day.
It's horrible. And we wound up going back to LA. But, uh, so that was the first one that I saw. And then I saw one in Santa Barbara. I saw one in, uh, and actually in Montecito. We were driving. And I saw this thing running across the road. I was like, oh, is that a coyote? And then I saw the tail. Yeah, the tail's the giveaway. And I was like, oh, it's a fucking mountain lion. Like, that's wild.
But that one wasn't even that big. That was like 70 pounds. And then a couple of years ago, I was in Utah with my friend Colton, and we were driving around this corner. And he goes, dude, look under that tree. Look at that cat. And we see the glowing eyes of this cat because it was just starting to get dark out.
And I was probably 30 yards from this thing in the truck with the binoculars just looking at its head.
its fucking head was massive like a pumpkin like the muscles the mandible muscles were like these things around its head just a crushing machine and these huge forearms that's what i remember about it the most his forearms were massive and he was just sitting there under that tree staring at us and i was in the truck like i wasn't you know we were armed and we were in a truck and i was still shitting my pants like that thing is so
How much do you think it weighed?
At least 180 pounds, maybe 200. It was a big tomcat. Like that one that we have out front, like that, like that size. Wow. Yeah. It was like that one was one my friend Adam Greentree killed. And he killed that in Colorado. And that one, they had a depredation permit because...
It was targeting this rancher's cows, and they had tracked it, and that day, as they were tracking it, it had killed one of these cows, and it was still alive. It just gutted it. It basically took it down and just started eating its organs while it was still alive. Yeah, that's what they do. Yeah. It was pretty rough.
Yeah.
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