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The Joe Rogan Experience

JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen

09 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

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Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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All right, what's happening, brother?

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13.545 - 15.049 Brendan Allen

Thanks for having us.

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My pleasure. So, Jamie, what were you just saying? I stopped you because it sounds so crazy. Trump said there's going to be eight to nine title fights at the White House UFC event and that they're, I guess, in quotes, withholding. Okay, first of all, there's only eight weight classes. So how's there going to be nine title fights? Maybe a BMF fight. Maybe you have to BMF.

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Maybe you have all of them in the BMF. I guess, but that's kind of a crazy thing. We're going to have 20 title fights. All the title fights it's ever been. Did he say any matchups? No, he didn't say who. He just said they're going to... I'll see if there's even a tweet about it. I just thought of talking about it.

Chapter 2: What did Trump predict about UFC title fights?

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It was like a press conference or something. Well, if they don't do Jon Jones at the White House, I think it would be a travesty. For sure. They need to do that. They have to. Come on. Dana's like, you can't count on him. You can't fucking count on him. Come on. Stop.

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When he wants to, he's going to make it happen.

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At the White House? Come on. Jon Jones versus, let's see, what does it say here? Donald Trump predicts eight or nine championship fights. Okay. It would literally have to be every weight class fighting for the title, which would be nuts. Everyone's a championship fight. Everyone's a legendary type of fighter.

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He's actually holding back fights right now for six months so he can do it in the 15th of June. Trump continued seemingly meaning 14th of June. Yeah. Arena's going to be 5,000 or 6,000 seats right in the front door of the White House. 100,000 people in the back? where they're putting up eight or ten very big screens. What kind of fucking security are they going to have for this?

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It's got to be insane. Yeah. Are you trying to get on this?

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I mean, not really.

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Not really?

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I can't imagine, like you said, the security, the behind the scenes, how much stuff's really going to happen.

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I'm just like... A lot of weird pressure, too. Probably. Because it's like all the security and the protocols, all that extra shit in your mind before you have to go out there and fight.

Chapter 3: How do fighters cope with injuries and weight cuts?

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So I was like, all right, we'll see. And it kind of backfired.

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Well, it was a big win for you. Thank you. Huge win. You looked fantastic in that fight. Thank you. You know, it's like there's just so many talented people in the division, it's so hard to stand out. And sometimes, you know, you take a guy like Derrida who just got done stopping Bo Nickel and there's a lot of momentum on his side. He looks real good.

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You beat Kevin Holland, submitted him, looks real good. And then you came along and stole that momentum.

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1415.827 - 1433.732 Brendan Allen

Yeah. It was, it was weird to be honest. Cause like when he got there, I was like, I want to fight him just because like things of like, he fought one of my friends, which now I guess they're best friends, but who was that? He took both his titles from him. Right. So like there was no animosity, but it's like, I want to test my, you're a ground guy. Like I'm a ground guy. Let's, let's see.

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And then it happened. He got there to UFC and I was like, I want to fight him. Like I was obviously – I think at the time I was like 12 ranked somewhere around there. But I was like let him get one, two, and obviously his name is going to carry him. So that came and I'll never forget. I was leaving an LSU game. I was in the parking lot.

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My manager called and I was like, man, can we just get a fight please? I've been asking for like three months. Like please, I just want to fight because I'm very like – I get in this mode to where I just want to fight, and I'll just keep bugging him. I'm like, you want me to call Mick? You want me to call Hunter? And he was like, no, no, no, no. But anyway, so I stayed on him. He called me.

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I was like, hey, what about DeRidder? He was like, oh, come on, man. He had just fought. I think he beat Gerald. And he was like, I think I can make this happen. He texted me back a couple minutes. Hey, they're good to go. The next day they called back and they were like, no, they're not going to get the fight. Like, they don't want this fight. It's not the right time. I was like, all right.

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They're like, what about Fluffy? I was like, I asked for him two months ago. So that's when I ended up fighting Fluffy. And it just so happened he fought the bone nickel, got all that hype. And I don't know, man. Again, I was at an LSU practice, and they called me, and they were like, hey, my manager called me, and he was like, just want you to know, Fluffy's out.

Chapter 4: What life lessons does Brendan Allen share from his experiences?

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I have a good life. I live very nice as far as my lifestyle. I'm here with you right now.

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Also, it's fucking pointless. I've seen bar fights where there's young guys and they just see an opportunity. They want to prove something. I just want to tell them, hey, man, one day you're going to be 35. You're going to be looking back on this day. Maybe it's the day you got stabbed. Maybe it's the day you got shot.

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Maybe it's the day you got knocked the fuck out and your head bounced off the concrete and you'll never be the same person again.

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3225.738 - 3230.044 Brendan Allen

Yeah, exactly what you said. It's just not worth it. You know Kevin James, the Canadian?

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Yeah, he used to come to the gym. Oh, that's awesome. He trains a lot. Good friend of mine. Been friends of mine for 30 years. When I first met him, he told me a story of when he was bouncing.

Chapter 5: How do injuries and bar fights impact fighters' perspectives?

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When he was bouncing in a bar in Long Island, one of his friends there was a bouncer, and some drunk kid was starting shit, and he knocked this kid out, and the kid fell down and hit his head and died. And he wound up doing time. He went to jail for manslaughter.

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One of my best friends got stabbed in the face in New Orleans because he didn't even know. He was talking to this dude's chick, and he didn't know.

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Right.

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3261.551 - 3279.84 Brendan Allen

He didn't know. Like, she didn't say nothing. She came up to him. He was just at the bar. Oh, Jesus Christ. Dude came and stabbed him in the face, broke his jaw, stabbed him and ran. He has a nice scar. He's older now, so it's kind of went away, but, like, through his beard. But wired his jaw shut. He was messed up for a while, you know, in the face.

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Chapter 6: What insights does Brendan Allen offer about coaching and training?

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And someone trying to stab you in the face is easily trying to stab you in the neck. Exactly. Yeah, you just got lucky. You just got lucky to hit that jaw and not your fucking carotid artery. Oh, my God. I watched a video of these guys in London, and they're yelling at each other and squaring off at each other back and forth and back and forth.

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And then finally they get out of it, and one guy just pulls out a fucking knife and slices this dude's neck. And this dude is just squirting out of his neck. And he tries to fight for a second, then he just gets woozy, and he's just squirting as he goes down. I don't know what happened. I'm assuming he died because I'm looking at the amount of blood loss.

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If someone didn't jump on that and compress it, and even if you did, the carotid artery is like such a significant amount of blood that's going through there, depending on, I guess, the damage.

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3359.526 - 3378.881 Brendan Allen

Dude, I think I had like... So stupid. I've always heard the story. Obviously, you know how stories are, but... I've heard from a couple different people. I have a great uncle somewhere along the line. He passed away before I was alive. He was in a bar. I know right where the place is. The building's still there to this day. He was in the bar. He was sitting down having some drinks with a friend.

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I don't know the relationship between him and the guy. The guy walked up behind him.

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slit his throat oh god he missed the carotid arteries both of them by like not even a quarter of an inch like not even eighth of an inch he missed both of them so it was just here oh he chased the guy out almost beat him to death and then almost died because he couldn't breathe like oh god but almost beat the guy to death almost almost died so two people almost died bro nightclubs are so bad

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I've never been a club. I hate like a group of people. I hate it. I get very offsetting. There's too many people on coke.

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There's too many people that are stupid. There's too many people that want to like, bro, I fucking see red. And you know, there's too many dummies. When I was a kid, when I was 21 years old, I was at a bar and I watched this guy hit a guy in the face with a Heineken bottle. out of nowhere over nothing.

Chapter 7: What thoughts creep into a fighter's mind before a match?

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They made a clip or whatever for me. And it was it's just literally it was two nights before the fight, three nights before the fight. And we're talking and I'm telling him he could get me down. He could he could finish me. But if he finishes me on the ground, he's got to be just that good. But I'm nervous, man.

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I'm nervous that I'm not going to go out here and perform to what I know that I can do. That's to me. That's the worst. I don't mind losing to someone that's better than me. I can take it. I haven't found that man yet, but I know it's going to happen. But to lose to someone truly better than me, I can accept it. But to lose to myself, oh man, to look in the mirror, it eats me alive.

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I think those things that can creep into your head before a fight where I don't want to lose, I don't want to disappoint people, I don't want to do this, then that is a really bad time to have those thoughts. It's not a bad time to have those thoughts when you're working on stuff.

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It's not a bad time to have those thoughts like if you're really trying to motivate yourself to get up in the morning and run or whatever it is, like to really get after it in strength and conditioning. But when you're fighting, like you have to have a strategy of how to squash those thoughts when they come up.

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Chapter 8: How do fighters manage negative thoughts during competition?

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I mean it's not just fighting. Anybody who's listening to this, anything in life that you have to do that's really difficult and scares you. you gotta know how to squash negative thoughts before they burn your house down. Like when you see the fire, Stomp that bitch out quick.

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Stomp it out quick and then make sure that you're starting to really only focus on positive things and never let it get in. Those little creepy demon thoughts, they'll get in and then they start running around. They start running around. They start screaming and taking over your brain. You're like, get out of my head. Get out of my head. But they're already in there. You let them in.

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You let them in. Sometimes they have to burn your house down before you realize what the danger is of them getting inside your head. Right. And so then the next time, you've got to come up with a strategy to squash it before it gets too crazy.

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We did a lot of like, at the beginning of like Sports Psychiatrist, like that was one thing, right? Like I would suppress it right away and suppress it and try to creep back through and I'd suppress it again. But then it just gets bigger and stronger to where it can just come out. And you don't know when it's going to come out. It could be the night of the fight.

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It could be the day before the fight could be in the fight, you know. So it's like taking it in, whatever that emotion is for you, dissecting it. Like, literally get to the root of why you think this. Like, oh, I think he can knock me out if I dissect it. Well, yeah, he's knocked a lot of guys out, but anyone can knock anyone out. Right. Anyone can. So what are you nervous of?

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You've done this, like, for me over 30 times. Like, what are you worried about? You fought on the biggest level. You've main evented. You're ranked in the world. You fought some of the best in the world. Like, what are you worried about?

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You let a demon sneak into your brain.

7032.187 - 7052.323 Brendan Allen

Yeah, you know? Yeah. And once I dissect it, I've worked on it like that so well. And being open and honest with my coaches and, like, the people that I care about and they care about me has been such a great, like, thing for me. I'm kind of the guy, like, sometimes, like, just I've learned about myself is just, like, just let me talk. Sometimes. I'm not a big talker, but just let me talk.

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You don't even have to say nothing, but damn, that's all right, bro. That's why Tuco, who you always see me with normally, he's always with me. Bro, he's the best at just, like, listening to me. Like, it's not very often, but when I do want to talk, like, I'm like, bro, like, he'll ask me, what's wrong? I'm like, bro, I don't think you want to hear it today. Like, I'm good.

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