Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day My man. Good to see you, brother.
Great to see you, man. What is this around my neck? What is that? Oh, this is a moldavite. Have you heard of moldavite before? No. So a meteorite hit in the Czech Republic millions of years ago. And the particular tektite that was created from the earth matter falling back down to the ground became moldavite. And most tektites are like a black or a brown, but moldavite's green. Let me show you.
Oh. It's really interesting.
Jamie's got some on the screen already. Here we go. Hold it up to the light.
Chapter 2: What is moldavite and why is it significant?
Whoa. Oh, that's fucking dope. So it's basically like nuclear glass.
Exactly that, yeah. Wow. And then that's the case my wife had made for me, and it's wrapped in an old chain that belonged to my dad. Oh, that's so dope. Yeah, keep with me all the time.
That's fucking cool, man.
I used to have a piece in, you know, the old Thai amulets with the little bronze. I used to have one in that. Took it out. I took the butter out and put a piece of moldavite in it wrapped in a piece of UFC canvas. And I wore it just all the time. But then my wife upgraded me and she tries to do all the time. So the UFC gave you a chunk of canvas? I have a whole canvas.
Ooh, nice.
From which fight? It was Vadum Volkov from UFC London. And it's covered in Vadum's blood. He got his nose busted pretty badly. But it had to be in quarantine for like 12 months until they gave it me. Really? Yeah. Because of the blood? It's a biohazard. So does it all die after 12 months? I guess so. I mean, I guess so. It was kept in a warehouse, and then they dropped it off for me.
Do they have to check it? I don't know. Make sure it's not... I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't lick it, but it looks fine to me.
What could possibly be in the blood? I mean, doesn't everybody get tested?
That's a good point. That's a good point. Maybe there's just some kind of rule. I think they incinerate them all now, don't they? Do they? I mean, they've got the pieces with the names, but I think the rest of it gets disposed of now.
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Chapter 3: How does Dan Hardy describe his experiences with UFC canvas?
And... It was just... It was a weird circumstance. And look, you know, caveat. Herb's a great referee. He's refereed me a lot. But every now and then, people do make mistakes. And in Fight Island, everyone was tired. It was quiet in the arena as well, so you can... I mean, you can hear me yelling. It wasn't the first time I'd done it, though. I yelled at him in Moscow for a CB Dalloway fight.
And it's... The thing is, there's a point where I'm there for the knockouts, I'm there for the blood, but I'm also there to make sure that once it's done, it's done, and those fighters are protected. And the way that Jai Herbert fell... It was just, you get the reads, you know it. You see him fall and you're like, man, there's something not right about the way that he's falling.
And then as he landed, he was looking up at the lighting rig, but his arms were kind of stretched out. So he was gone. He was gone. He was out of it. And then there was this, and I think, of course, because it was quarantine times, it was silent in there. The time, it was like you could hear a heartbeat in the air. And there was just this moment where Trinaldo stood over him and looked at Herb.
And Jai's still on the floor, kind of not fully conscious. And Trinaldo just started cracking him with more shots. And that was the point where I stood up straight away and I'm yelling and Paul Felder was doing the same thing next to me. You actually see Herb look at me through the cage and point at me and tell me to shut up.
The thing that annoyed me about it was the miscommunication about what had happened. Because the message that got back to Dana and everybody at the top was that I left my commentary desk and went over and I was stood outside the cage. And I wasn't. Herb came to me. So, like... I'm at my desk. We've got this piece of plexiglass because it's all COVID. That stopped everything, didn't it?
And then we had another desk in front of that. So Herbs basically, and Herbs doesn't move very quickly most of the time. He's a big old boy, but he was moving at pace towards me. So I stood up, took my headset off and put them down or had them in my hand. And he came over and he started yelling at me and, you know, you stay out of it, can't be shouting and this and that.
And that's where you see me go, that was two times. It's the second time of the night. I mean, as it's going on, and this was when we're not doing interviews in the cage as well, right? Also hilarious. Also hilarious, yeah.
Just breathing on each other, sweating and bleeding on each other.
And we're shaking hands in the hotel and everything, and it was kind of odd. But because I'm not going into the cage, I'm now turning around and my interview camera is behind me. So basically what the UFC wanted me to do when Herb's marching over to me was to stand up, turn my back on him and put my headset on.
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Chapter 4: What led to Dan Hardy's conflict with Herb Dean during a fight?
So the whole thing kind of got... convoluted and bundled into the same thing. Was that the Connor situation? No, that was in Bellator, but there was another one. It was UAE Warriors, and I think someone had kept hold of a choke too long, and then Goddard had separated the fight, and then he came over to Mark, and he's trying to push Mark and stuff.
And when Dana actually made the statement about if you approach an official, you'll be gone, that was actually in reference to the other thing that happened, but it was LinkedIn with me as well. The thing that pissed me off is when I got back to the hotel or to the airport or whatever,
Herbert posted this video and he was like sitting at the airport, you know, trying to justify what had happened. But it was just like, he was saying things like, if you think you're the smartest guy in the room and just like poking at me just constantly. And I'm like, I've got a bunch of hours sitting on a plane on the way back to the UK now. And you know what I'm like, I'm pulling this apart.
And I'm like, did I step out of line? Did I say something I shouldn't have said? And I'm assessing it. And then I'm going, no, hang on a minute. My intention is to protect that fighter that needed protecting, right? His family are at home sitting watching that. They don't want to see him getting smashed in the face unnecessarily. They know the risks of the job already.
So I kind of sat on the plane on the way home and I'm like, how am I going to deal with this? So I dealt with it the way that I would always do. I get all the facts on the table. I try and organize my response. And what I did was I created a video that I put up on YouTube, which the UFC actually contacted YouTube and had them delete off the back end. Oh, yeah.
And it was about an hour and a quarter long. It was a decent chunk of information. But I went through what had happened on the night, other circumstances where Herbert maybe not pulled the trigger quick enough, or times when he'd been indecisive, like Cowboy Masvidal. Not sure whether you remember that one.
Cowboy went down at the end of the first round, and they actually helped him back to his stool. and sat him on the stool. And Greg Jackson's going, hey, cowboy, you're okay. Everything's fine. Then he went out and got TKO'd at the start of the second round. But if you remember that, Herb jumps in and waves the fight off at the end of the round and then decides to restart it in the second.
So I pointed out a bunch of things where he could have maybe done a better job. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt in like the Robbie Lawler-Ben Askren fight where To me, that wasn't stopped early. You could see Robbie Lawler's arm fall for a second. I think he went out for a split second in that moment.
And then came back.
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Chapter 5: What causes anxiety for fighters during fight week?
And it's like the more you pick at it, the more... It's like you're hitting a rock and all of a sudden it falls in and it's a massive cave inside and it's just full of information. And I'm like, how am I going to consume all of this knowledge? You know what I mean? I remember feeling very, very overwhelmed by it all and thinking...
that fed into a lot of anxiety during fight week which was you know something that everybody always manages but if I look back that was where my anxiety came from it was the it was the over analysis of the sport and the feeling like I was never going to be able to learn all of this information whereas now in actuality I feel very very opposite I feel like now if I was going back my training would be very very focused and very very streamlined but that's because I've had years and years of experience of watching the sport and knowing what works and what doesn't and
pulling things apart you know what i mean so it was almost like and i said this i've said this to a lot of young fighters if i if i in my career at one point could have stopped and taken six months out or a year out just to be a student and just to learn and absorb that would have been a real benefit for me when i stopped fighting i was doing commentary and work doing inside the octagon and stuff
Like my knowledge was growing on a daily basis. I felt it. And I just I thought to myself, man, I could have done this when I was in my career. But I didn't because I was I was partly scared of the of the over analysis of it, you know, and partly partly concerned that I was going to show myself so much that I didn't know that I was just going to feel like it was endless.
It was a bottomless pit of knowledge. Right.
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Chapter 6: How does experience change a fighter's approach to training?
You know. Whereas when I started doing Inside the Octagon and I was watching fights in chronological order from the beginnings of people's careers all the way through. And then I was going back and I was watching prelims of fights that I wouldn't have watched in my career because I only want to watch this guy and this guy because I don't want all of this...
Sometimes I watch somebody and feel like I'm getting worse when I'm watching them, you know what I mean? So I'd be very, very specific about who I would watch. Whereas in actuality, if you watch the whole card start to finish, the fight IQ increases generally as the card goes on. So the guys at the top make far less mistakes, and they're the guys that I'm watching.
So I'm watching people that are way closer to flawless than I am. But if I watch the prelims, I can see the same mistakes that people are making. They're just making them far more regularly on the prelims. So it was almost like watching the prelims was uncovering problems and bad decisions much quicker than it was when I was watching the few specific guys that I was trying to learn from.
So there was a real benefit in just absorbing all of it. And then the next stage was, and it was specifically Robbie Lawler against Rory McDonald. It was the first time I realized I was watching a fight without putting myself in the cage. And it was like an epiphany. I was like, oh, I'm just watching these two guys as a fan. I'm not comparing Robbie Lawler to me and Rory McDonald to me.
My process of preparing for an opponent was very similar to what I would do for an analysis. I'd get into them. I would watch it as much as I could of that person. But then I would go back and watch my fights that I knew were available to them. So now I'm watching my fights with their skill set in mind.
So now I'm almost pretending to be that person to watch me and go, OK, well, I can do this to him and I can do this to him. But there's always a bit of ego involved there. So, like, say with Carlos Condit, an incredible fighter, right? He's great at everything, but he's not going to be able to take me down. And there's no way in hell he's going to be able to knock me out.
you know mohawk flapping in the wind you know and it was like and that was that was my ego getting in the way right because if I was looking at Carlos Condit versus Robbie Lawler or Carlos Condit versus GSP I would have respected his counterpunching right but my ego was a block in that scenario so by watching two fighters and being able to remove myself entirely I just saw things differently and it took my my shit out of it took my drama out of the way that's interesting your ego really can get in the way
And it really makes you make terrible decisions. Like, how many people have taken fights they shouldn't have taken just because of their ego? Their ego just gave them a distorted perception. Absolutely. There was this guy that was training with us that was really good at jiu-jitsu, and he had no striking, and he was going to take an MMA fight.
I remember saying to him, you have to understand what you can do to people on the ground. You could make a person feel helpless. Someone could do that to you standing up, and it's way scarier. It's way scarier.
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Chapter 7: What role does emotional warfare play in MMA fights?
You have no idea. You think it's this weird Dunning-Kruger effect. You think... You're really good, so you think you're good at that? Like, you've this distorted, you don't know anything about striking. Like, his striking was like, pap, pap, like rudimentary, like nothing. I'm like, someone's going to set you up and boom! Right. And head kick you. And he got TKO'd. He got beat up badly.
And I think it really fucked him up, too. Really?
Yeah. It's almost like you pull the curtain back and you realize there's a whole other world behind the curtain that you'd not anticipated was there.
But the scariest world to not be good at is the striking world.
Absolutely. That's the scariest world. And I've tried to quantify this myself, because... It is an interesting thing because often I find myself, I'm explaining the nuances of feints and movements that are opening doors for other things to land. I mean, Adesanya was a master at this. Conor McGregor was a master at this.
And the way that they deliver their techniques, there's such an elite level of intelligence to it that it's easy to just think that it's chance what they're doing, right? Like take Conor McGregor cowboy, for example, right? And the beauty of Inside the Octagon is I would download all the angles of the fight. I would watch every angle, the full fight from the whole angle.
So I'd see different things. And there's a moment in that fight, and this is the benefit of... Say Conor McGregor, say his brand is the left hand, right? Conor McGregor's left hand brand was a very, very powerful weapon for him to take into the fight against Cowboy because Cowboy was so focused on it.
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Chapter 8: How do sponsorships impact fighter earnings in MMA?
And there's an angle from Cowboy's back to against the fence. And he sees Conor close his left hand. And straight away, Cowboy goes, left hand's coming, and he moves on to the head kick. It was the threat of the left hand coming that forced Cowboy to make that mistake. Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, when he looked at his leg and kicked him in the face.
The idea of him being able to sell... And you look at that fight, Vitor's checking the inside low kick while he's got Anderson's toes in his mouth. You know what I mean? It's like he was able to sell a technique purely with his eyeline. Purely with a feint. And Adesanya is another master at it as well.
And that to me then shows that there are, we've got ranges in MMA, but in each one of those ranges there's dimensions as well. There's dimensions of understanding. Like you could be a button mashing fighter, and a lot of people have success with button mashing. They throw the technique that they worked in the changing room warming up on the pads.
But then there are people that understand that each one of these techniques and each thing that they do or piece that they have in their arsenal is a setup for something else. Right. You know?
Well, that's what's interesting about people that have a real system.
Yeah.
Like Dwayne Bang Ludwig. Have you ever trained with him?
I haven't, but we fought, didn't we? Yeah. I mean, I was a huge fan of him back in the day. I remember him TKOing somebody in King of the Cage up against the fence. Oh, yeah, and he did that. And I just fell in love with him. Yeah. That was Kinky Sudo, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, great system of footwork though, isn't it?
Oh, he has an amazing system. And his system is like, he has a giant notebook filled with techniques where everything, his system is very well thought out. And it's really interesting because he didn't fight the way he teaches. No. That's what's really interesting. Like T.J. Dillashaw is probably his greatest student. And T.J. fought completely different than Dwayne.
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