546. The West Is Too Weak For Radical Islam | Douglas Murray
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What happened on October 7th?
The billions of dollars that went into Gaza were largely used by Hamas leaders to enrich themselves, to build an incredibly elaborate terrorist infrastructure throughout Gaza. The misconception was Hamas leadership were happy with just being corrupt.
The terrible hand of Iran is behind Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran has absolutely no compunctions about sacrificing every single Palestinian to the cause. What possible response could Israel have except to roll over and, what, submit?
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Hey, everybody. So I'm talking today to Douglas Murray, who just wrote this book on democracies and death cults, Israel and the Future of Civilization. That's this. We basically walk through the book chapter by chapter. It's a relatively short book, although it doesn't lack in intensity. What happened October 7th when Hamas invaded Israel? What I saw, Douglas' account of his sojourn through Israel in the aftermath of the catastrophe. How the world turned. We discussed the protests primarily originating on university campuses, much to their eternal shame. The disconnect, the fact that the propaganda exercise and what would you say, the zeitgeist of the West was such so that Israel was demonized almost immediately after the attack for daring to defend itself. And then Douglas's conclusion from defeat into victory. Well, that's where the conversation got a little bit more,
Theological, possibly, and inevitability when talking about the existence of good and evil. We discussed Douglas's observations that the Israelis have been very successful at pushing forward a truly pro-life, pro-abundance ethos, and the consequence for their thriving, for their resilience in the face of really insuperable opposition, and the meaning of that for hope, not only in Israel, but in the West in general, and a hope we most desperately need in these strangest of all times. Join us for that. So, Mr. Murray, I read your book on democracies and death cults, Israel and the Future of Civilization. Yeah, it's a pretty rough read in like five different dimensions. It's brutal and unnerving and like terribly relevant and not merely relevant. merely because of the situation in Israel. So I think what we should do first is, I'm going to ask you questions about each chapter.
It's a short book. There's five chapters. It starts with what happened. And there's questions everyone has. How did the Israeli security forces miss this? How could something like this happen? What did happen? Who was responsible? So let's start by laying that out. What happened on October 7th?
What happened was that about 4,000 or more terrorists invaded Israel in the early morning. The Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other jihadist groups in Gaza started firing hundreds and hundreds of rockets at about 6.30 in the morning, almost exactly 6.30 in the morning. So air raid sirens went off across the country. But then something, and sadly that's kind of usual in Israel. It's quite common to have air raid sirens, particularly in the south, has been for 20 years. What became clear was very unusual was that across multiple parts of the Gaza-Israel border, thousands of terrorists broke in they broke down the fences they broke down they went to the checkpoints where guards and workers would come through each day and where aid lorries and indeed commerce occurred they went to those crossings as well attacked the soldiers overwhelmed them in quite a lot of places it was a religious holiday it's the holiday of simkat torah and it and so a lot of people were at home with their families
it was 50 years to the day since the Yom Kippur War when Israel's Arab neighbors invaded in a surprise attack as well. So you might say, well, how come it's a surprise? That was one of the things, as soon as I got to Israel straight after the 7th, one of the things I was trying to find out was what the hell went wrong. Because the Israelis have always had, certainly since 1973, a sort of invulnerability. It's not true, of course, but they were seen to be invulnerable by many of their neighbors. Impossible to catch by surprise. Impossible to catch by surprise. It's what I call the founderization of Israel, the idea that it's eyes in the sky everywhere, nothing that can be done that could surprise them.
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