549. Matt Walsh on Making Movies, the Woke Right, & Winning
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What motivated Matt Walsh to make documentaries?
You play, it's like a Bugs Bunny character in a sense, like there are these trickster characters in mythology that are troublemakers. Are you surprised that you ended up in the domain of comedy, making movies? You're a documentary star now.
I saw the first cut. So he warned me going in that this is going to be jarring. I was devastated by how much I hated it. This is the worst thing. It's an embarrassment. Our careers are over.
You talked about exposing people and exposing fraud and a certain amount of righteous judgment. You know, I've been thinking hard about the use of anger. It's very physiologically activating. It's one of the sources of energy that I draw on. And I want to talk to you a little bit about The Daily Wire too, since we're both part of it, because I'm struggling in a sense with Hello, everybody. I had the privilege, the opportunity to sit down today with one of my fellow Daily Wire creatures, Matt Walsh. And you should know Matt, I suspect. And if you don't, well, then you could. was the force behind two of the most successful documentaries in the last few decades. What is a woman? That's a question he actually answers. And am I racist? Two deep and soul-searching questions, apparently.
I don't know, are those the cardinal questions of the last 10 years? Maybe they were. Anyways, Matt had a remarkable facility, has a remarkable facility to put his finger on central issues in the culture war, to lay them out, to inquire into them, and to show their appalling underbelly. And so we talked about that. We talked about how he managed that. We talked about his role as a comedian, a straight-faced, Buster Keaton-like, monotone-speaking comedian. troublemaking comedian, social critic, a writer, a director, now an actor in these documentaries, playing a role, playing a character, what that was like, what he learned. his ambitions for the future. We talked about the political moment and what the implications are of the Trump victory for conservative commentary of the sort that Matt particularly specializes in and that I delve into from time to time. And we touched on some more topical issues in the last week. Matt has been involved in a
rather contentious war of words with a number of people online, including James Lindsay, who I did a podcast with just a week or so ago on the issue of the woke right. And so we delved into the controversies that are erupting on the conservative side of the spectrum, and that's the podcast. So join us for an update into Matt Walsh's life and another glimpse into the culture war and a bit of a slice of what's currently controversial. Hey, Matt, we were supposed to meet in person today. What the hell happened?
Yeah, we were. Sorry about that. You know, this is Flying American. My flight got delayed by five hours with no explanation. And so now I'm still here. So that's the world of flying these days.
Yeah, typical uppity customer wanting explanations and everything.
Yeah, and they're not very forthcoming with them.
No, they certainly aren't. No, they certainly aren't. And I think the situation is even worse in Canada. I presume a 50% delay rate at the moment. The U.S. seems better, but it's still hit and miss.
Yeah, it's really bad. I was just on a flight last week, and we lost cabin pressure, and we had to divert and do an emergency landing. I mean, every time I try to get on a plane now, this is what it's like. It's the...
Yeah, well, Matt, who needs merit? Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's something we could talk about too. You know, there are actually technical definitions of merit, by the way, that psychologists were bound to consider when they were doing such things as generating practices for hiring. And even though those are instantiated in the law, in many ways they've been thrown aside. So anyways, before we get into any of that, why don't you tell me what you're up to? And I want to talk to you a little bit about The Daily Wire too, because since we're both part of it, because I'm struggling in a sense with trying to figure out exactly what the proper role is of our style of communication on the political side, given the new political reality in the United States.
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