551. An Honest Take on the Looming Energy Crisis | Scott Tinker

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What is the main topic of this episode?

Jordan Peterson 0:00
If you're concerned about people who are struggling, as far as I can tell, there's nothing more important than energy.
Scott Tinker 0:04
There's a great experiment going on right now as we've put more intermittent energy, led by solar and wind, onto grids. How much can you push that? When that sun or wind go away, something has to be there immediately to back that up. to make it continue to work. And it's brutal managing a grid that has things coming and going.
Jordan Peterson 0:23
The most appropriate way to serve the poor is to make energy radically available reliably, period.
Scott Tinker 0:29
If you want to clean up the atmosphere emissions, as well as the land, the air and the water, you have to accelerate economic development.
Jordan Peterson 0:37
If this is all true, then why the hell aren't we doing it?

How important is energy for alleviating poverty?

Scott Tinker 0:41
We're not out of energy options, we're out of ideas.
Scott Tinker 1:13
Thank you.
Jordan Peterson 1:23
So I had the opportunity today to speak with Scott Tinker, and I've spoken to Scott before and on a podcast, and he was a contributing speaker at ARC and delivered one of the most popular public speeches that we've ever put on the ARC platform on energy and the environment. Why should you listen to this podcast? Well, there's a bunch of reasons. The most practical is that Scott will walk you through what you need to know to basically have a schematic understanding of the structures upon which your abundant world depends, the energy infrastructure. And he'll tell you a story that you won't hear from other sources, and it's accurate. And you need to know these things because knowing them helps you understand what opportunities the future holds. And so much of what we're told about the future is transmitted to us by people who... ratchet their way to power by terrifying and compelling the population. And that's the sign of a kind of tyranny.
Jordan Peterson 2:33
Scott offers something much more like an invitational vision, which is that we could have an abundant world for everyone if we set our mind on that. There's no fundamental scarcity of natural resource. There's no looming apocalypse that we can address by making the world a worse place. that the pathway forward to abundance and plenitude and opportunity is through ample energy provision of all sources and the elevation of the poor in the world to the status of... Well, roughly of the developed West. Can we do that? Yes. There's no shortage of resources. That entire conceptual structure is faulty. There's shortage of will and resolve. And you need to know this. You need to know this if you're young, because... A world that's rife with apocalyptic fear-mongering is one that will demoralize you. You need to know this if you're going to have children because you have to understand what kind of world they could inhabit and what kind of world the doomsayers will doom them to if the narrative is wrong.
Jordan Peterson 3:43
And I don't know anyone who knows more about this and who's a more thoughtful and informed speaker about such issues than Scott. And so do yourself a favor and pay attention to this podcast. So Scott, I thought I'd start this with a bit of a story from Spain. I received this today, found this today from the Telegraph, which I sometimes rate for.

What challenges do renewable energy sources face?

Jordan Peterson 4:09
As you know, most people watching perhaps know, or at least some do, the whole country faced a blackout and more than the country, right? Into Portugal and France as well. Just a few weeks ago, I think it was the biggest, well, it's described in the Telegraph as the worst electricity failure in any developed country in modern times. So another number one for Spain. The stench of a cover-up hangs over Spain's giant blackout. Faith in the current investigation has reached rock bottom. The socialist government of Pedro Sanchez is trying to buy time with explanations that either make no technical sense or veer into absurdity. Red Electrica. there's a name for you, which runs the grid is accused of stonewalling everybody.
Jordan Peterson 4:54
Sources in Brussels have told the Telegraph that the authorities were conducting an experiment before the system crashed, probing how far they could push reliance on renewables in preparation for Spain's rushed, phase out of nuclear reactors from 2027.

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