558. The Meaning Of: Snow White

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What is the psychological significance of the evil queen in Snow White?

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson 0:30
I'm gonna try something somewhat new today. I'm going to read you The Grimms Brothers Version of snow white. I picked that. Because I think I have some interesting insights into its Meaning But I also chose it because It's been the target of ideologically oriented rewriting. Most famously recently in the case of Disney, who produced what's essentially a very poor movie that was also a commercial flop. By carelessly Restructuring A story that Either The makers of the film didn't understand. Or understood all too well and decided to mess with for Underground reasons of their own. I suspect a little of column A and a little of column B. I'm going to concentrate a fair bit on the figure of the evil queen. Not least because there's no shortage of evil queen manifestation.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson 1:45
in the current social and political environment. And I'm going to draw on A body of research That has been Conducted primarily by primatologists. Scientists who study non human primates, given that human beings are primates as well. The field of inquiry is called Fertility suppression. And it is the Marked Tendency. Of higher status female primates to Suppress the Probability that Subordinates in their group will Successfully Mate and bring Offspring into the world. I think that The evil queen in no small part is a reflection of observations of Fertility suppression. People started studying fertility suppression in primates. Because of the observation that in many primate species dominant females Exhibit Higher reproductive success compared to their subordinate.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson 3:05
Counterparts. So One thing you have to understand about social animals. And this is particularly true of primates. Біздера хайпер соціал Social animals live in a tiered society and there are marked differences in the life and success of those who are uppermost in the social hierarchy compared to those who are Barely clinging to the bottom. Let's say and Scientists who are interested in the differential reproductive success of high-status females compared to low-status females started to investigate the possibility that the higher status or dominant females were actively engaging in strategies that undermined the ability of the subordinates to find a mate and to reproduce. Why would they do that?
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson 4:02
Well, perhaps. Perhaps they do that psychologically speaking, you might say, just for the sheer sadistic fun of it. But from a broader evolutionary perspective, the purpose is to maximize the probability of their own reproductive success, their own success at finding a mate and also leaving their genes. To propagate into the succeeding generations. How would they do that? The the i the effect of fund or th the mechanism of fundamental interest for our purposes, given its psychological significance, is that the Social stress, often imposed by dominant individuals, can elevate stress hormones, cortisol, for example, insubordinates. disrupting their hormonal cycles and leading to delayed ovulation or reduced fertility.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson 4:54
Females use reputation savaging and exclusion, gossip, innuendo, um and well and and as I said, social isolation and those are all ways of lowering comparative status. That's what gossip will do, for example, in reputation savaging, whereas exclusion is more directly and intensely stressful. So here's some examples from non human primates. With regard to mechanisms of fertility suppression, for example, in baboons, a particularly aggressive and vicious species, dominant females may physically intimidate subordinates to maintain their reproductive advantage. In species such as marmosets, dominant females actually emit pheromones. That directly inhibit ovarian activity in subordinate females, preventing them from cycling or conceiving.

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