Chapter 1: What factors contributed to Venezuela's collapse beyond socialism and oil?
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Today, another out of the loop episode on Venezuela. Little Venice, big oil, bigger mess. You've probably heard the headlines and thought, all right, socialism, corruption, oil, got it. But that's kind of like saying, hey, Titanic, boat hits thing.
The real story here is how a country with some of the largest oil reserves on Earth turned that resource into a regime ATM, hollowed out its institutions, banned civilian firearms, and then watched normal people get crushed between politics, cronies, and criminals, to the point where folks were literally staying in bed to avoid burning calories.
And now it matters to Americans because Venezuela is not just a tragedy. It's energy, migration, transnational crime, and great power chess sitting uncomfortably close to the Panama Canal with China and Russia sniffing around like it's an open house or, as I like to say, little old Taiwanese ladies at the buffet in Vegas. If you know, you know.
Today, my friend Ryan McBeth joins me once again, and we're doing a short history of how Venezuela got here, what their former leader Hugo Chavez actually got right early on, when the revolution stopped being about reform and started becoming about extraction, why Maduro, the guy we kidnapped, was less supreme leader and more traffic cop for competing mafias, and what happens next from the best-case managed transition to worst-case Libya vibes.
Here we go with Ryan McBeth, out of the loop on Venezuela. Ryan McBeth, thanks for coming back on the show, man. Now that I think about it, every time you're on the show, there's a major world event or disaster. Coincidence? I think not. I'd like to know why I'm always out of the loop. I don't get my own show. With a little picture of my face, a little painting.
I'll give you some show art at some point. Don't worry. Now we got to talk about Venezuela. Let's talk about Venezuela. Because I think people, they're like, Venezuela, this Maduro guy, there's a lot of oil at the end. People don't know that Venezuela essentially was part of a federation. that was essentially Grand Columbia back in the day, led by Bolivar.
Can we do a little bit of that, the 19th century kind of stuff? It's actually a really fascinating story. These are very proud people. So Venezuela was home to numerous Native American tribes until 1522 when Spanish colonizers claimed the region. And Venezuela actually means Little Venice because the Spanish saw like these houses on stilts in the water and it reminded them of Venice.
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Chapter 2: What were the early successes and failures of Hugo Chavez's Bolivarian Revolution?
That's why I've said it's about oil, but it's not necessarily about Venezuela oil. It's about our oil because we have so many refineries on the Gulf Coast that are within striking range of intermediate-range missiles or even cruise missiles or long-range drones from Venezuela or from ships operating out of Venezuela. Okay, so this is like Cuban Missile Crisis stuff, right?
You can't just have weapons, military bases, resources in our own backyard. You're absolutely correct. It's long term thinking. A lot of people criticize President Trump. And don't get me wrong, there's plenty of things to criticize him about. But this, believe it or not, is actually not one of those things.
He said in his speech, we're going to take the oil, we're going to make sure the oil is OK. But before he said that, he said we need to have good neighbors. And that's the part that you need to remember. We need to have good neighbors. is we're trying to make sure that South America is essentially an American lake.
Caribbean is an American lake, and we want Chinese influence and Russian influence and Iranian influence to hack out of there so we don't have our back door open when this war in Taiwan comes. I see. Yeah, so Venezuela is like energy, migration, maybe some other transnational crime, depending on the drug stuff, if that exists or not, and great power competition basically in one box.
Yeah, you're absolutely correct. There is drug stuff going on. For the longest time, Venezuela actually allowed the FARC, which was a Colombian terrorist organization, to kind of hang out inside of Venezuela.
I think in 2021 and 2022, there were clashes on the border because the FARC wanted to run this drug route, and I guess they didn't pay off the local Venezuelan commander, and so there were clashes, and Venezuela went in with their army, and they got their butts handed to them by the FARC. Wow. That didn't work out too well for Venezuela.
But that's kind of one of the issues you have when you have a military that's what's called a palace guard or internal security military. They're not an offensive military. That's one of the reasons people ask me, don't do a video on Venezuela, maybe invading Guyana. There's no way in heck they would ever invade Guiana.
They don't have the calories to physically march across all that jungle to actually occupy the logistical base or any combat experience, really, to undertake an operation like that. Right, because their job is just to keep Maduro in power. And that's all they are trained to do. You're absolutely correct. I've often said there's four kinds of armies in the world.
There's expeditionary armies, of which there's really only four and a half. The U.S., the U.K., France, Russia, and to a lesser extent, China. They're the half. There's defensive armies. Most of the armies of Europe are defensive. And you have internal security armies. Most of the army of South America is internal security. And they mainly fight rebels. And then you have your palace guard armies.
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Chapter 3: How did the collapse of oil prices impact Venezuela's economy and society?
Look, I know Chavez died, but Maduro was a bus driver. And I know that's a socialism thing, like, oh, I'm going to pick a worker. Okay, but maybe a worker who knows how to run an administrative office instead of just a bus driver. Not that there's anything wrong with bus drivers, but they don't have a lot of political experience, generally. You're in the right area here.
Maduro started out as a bus driver, and then he became like a union steward, like a shop steward. And then he was the leader of the Transportation Workers Union. And then he got elected to Congress, to their assembly. So he did know a little bit about labor and organizing and all that. And Chavez really liked the guy. In fact, Maduro's father was like a socialist labor organizer as well.
So there were some synergies there. And Maduro became vice president. He moved in into the presidential office when Chavez died. So who is Maduro loyal to? I mean, he's not loyal to the people of Venezuela because he's not given them most of the benefits here. Is he like an ideological socialism is a real deal? Or is he kind of like, look, I'm the leader now. I'm going to become a billionaire.
I don't really care what happens to everybody else. That's an excellent question. I mean, I can't see into the man's heart. I'm sure that if you're espousing beliefs as a socialist and you started out as a labor union organizer, you do tend to believe in socialist principles. I'm sure that's still there.
But I think maybe he kind of forgot about the whole distributing the wealth to the people thing. And he basically enriched himself and enriched his cronies and enriched certain people in the army and the security forces. One of the things you have to understand is that in any kind of authoritarian state, you have to essentially satisfy three factions.
You have to satisfy the ruling elite, the military, and you have to satisfy the police intelligence services because any of those three organizations can bring you down. I'm sure that he started out as genuinely believing in socialism.
But at some point when you see all that oil money, billions of dollars in oil money ripe for the taking, I can certainly see how that might push someone's beliefs more toward kleptocracy. Y'all know what time it is. I got to go kidnap another dictator. We'll be right back. This episode is sponsored in part by Tonal. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
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Chapter 4: What role does Venezuela play in U.S. strategic interests?
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I would love to know a little bit about everyday life for normal Venezuelans under Chavez and Maduro because my best friend was Venezuelan when I was growing up as a kid. This is like the 80s and early 90s. His dad was like a wealthy dude and he said back home things were pretty normal. His mom, of course, had been to Venezuela. She wasn't Venezuelan, but she'd been there.
She was like, I was nice and like very modern and clean and things were running well. This is like the 80s. It was like a wealthy, normal place to go. It was people were not starving in the streets and lighting things on fire. Widening inequality clearly happened at some point. Yeah, absolutely.
The inequality slowly began because there was a difference between people who were connected and people who weren't connected. And a big portion of that was hyperinflation. So hyperinflation hit in like 2016, and this hyperinflation was over 800%. And you can just imagine if you think that something is going to cost more tomorrow than it does today, you're probably going to buy that thing today.
And what does that lead to? That leads to shortages. Remember when during COVID there was no toilet paper on the shelves? So why are people buying toilet paper? Oh, there's toilet paper there. I better buy it because there might not be any the next time I'm in the store.
And in a situation like that, where there's all this hyperinflation, you have somebody in power, such as a police officer, or even just someone who might grant a permit like a driver's license. The corruption doesn't become someone stole money. A lot of corruption in the U.S. is of the someone stole money, pay to play kind of thing, or I'm going to steal money from this organization.
Corruption in Venezuela was more like the system won't function unless you grease my hand a little bit. I think in some ways a lot of that is intentional because Iran is a similar example.
I know a woman who's Iranian and she has been trying to get a passport for years now because she has a piece of property in Iran and she can't sell it unless she gets a passport and goes to Iran and is able to complete this transaction. But in order to do that, she needs a birth certificate. In order to do that, she has to send away for it and then go to the consulate.
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Chapter 5: How did Nicolás Maduro's leadership affect Venezuela's power dynamics?
But I know we're here to talk about Venezuela. Yeah. You had mentioned the troops, and for the most part, if the troops are... essentially just being used to put down protesters, they're not very skillful. You have Special Forces guys, they built a compound, they built Maduro's compound, and they practiced again and again. in order to execute this mission flawlessly.
So when you're going up against operators who practice for four months to kill you and they know every single corner, you might be able to get a lucky shot in, but these guys really are the best of the best. I read about this and they said that Maduro, when this was all going down, they knew exactly where he was. They knew what he had for breakfast. They knew all the places he was going.
They knew what kind of pets he had. They knew his night schedule, his morning routine, everything, of course, because the CIA was on the ground. They said that when they caught him finally, he was already in a safe room trying to close the door. So, like, that was a close call. Also, what was their plan if he got in that room and shut the door?
Because it sounds like they had a 30-second, basically, window that they almost didn't get him. Were they just going to drop a bunker buster on that thing and then they didn't arrest him? He just turned into pink mist or what? They have charges with them. You blow that door. There'd be ways to get through that door. Look, any safe... is really a time delay, right?
The question is, how much time do we have in order to penetrate this room? One of the things that I had mentioned in a video I had done was that President Trump, it was on October 15th, he said, we have CIA assets in Venezuela. Everyone went, oh, my God, why would he say we have CIA assets in Venezuela? What an idiot. He didn't say it for Americans. He didn't say it to brag.
He did it to let the Venezuelans know we are coming and you can open the door for us or you can be under it when we kick it in. Now, next time he says there's CIA on the ground in Iran. Now, when he orders that phrase, it means I'm getting arrested at best in 90 days. It's probably a little bit easier to put CIA on the ground in Venezuela.
I don't know how many Persian special operators or CIA agents we have. We for sure have that. Are you kidding me? Go to L.A. You can find a few guys there. Just go to the ones that aren't selling necklaces. I love my Persian friends. Find one that's not a dermatologist. First we arrest him, then we sell him a carpet. We have Persians. Come on, man.
And if we didn't just talk to Israel, the Mossad is probably half Persian or Persian passing guys. I got to tell you, when I was in Israel, there were quite a few of the guards at the Knesset. I was there with a news channel I worked for, and quite a few of the guards, you could tell they weren't Ashkenazi, right? So I would assume they're either Christian or Arabs.
and they look like straight-up killers. There's a unit that I used to know some guys in Israel, and the name is something like Mishta Aravim, and it basically means living among the Arabs, and they're Sephardic Jews, so Arabic Jews. You ever see Fauda? Remember that show? Yeah, excellent show.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of Venezuela's resource wealth on governance?
Maybe that won't happen anymore. I don't know what kind of debt we put in the actual drug market by destroying 20 boats. Oh, none. No, I read up on the narco traffic from Venezuela. It's a drop in the bucket. It's not a real player. I would imagine it would be more Colombia for the processing.
I know it is a fact that the FARC engages in cocaine production and trafficking in some of the jungles near the Colombian border. That is 100% obvious. I often thought those boats that we were hitting, they might have been going out to a mothership, right? There's an oil tanker that's headed over to Europe. I'm going to carry a bunch of bales of drugs. pull up next this mothership.
We're going to throw these bales onto the mothership. The Filipinos are operating the ship. They don't care. As long as they get paid, bring whatever you want. And they put that stuff in the hold and it goes over to Europe. So I'm not sure how much of a dent we really made in the drugs being imported into the U.S., but it could have been done to rattle Maduro. You're absolutely right.
That was actually one of the big issues that I had with this whole venture was that we never really explained why this was necessary. Yeah. All right. Last question. When Trump said something's got to be done about Cuba, what do we think is happening here? Are we actually going to do something about it or is it just like I got a chance to scare the shit out of Fidel Castro and his cronies?
Like, I'm going to do it. Yeah, we saw that movie, The Bay of Pigs. Yeah. I could see us perhaps giving Cuba a little push. Right now, we're coming off a high, right? That raid was so amazing. Then two days later, the president's talking about invading Greenland. Yeah, take the win. Now we're talking about Greenland.
It's certainly possible that we could give Cuba a little bit of a push, but I don't know how ready the Cuban people might be to accept any kind of Yankee imperialism. They might know that their lives aren't that great. But they've had to deal with the U.S. sanctioning their country since, I believe, 1963, was it? Since the early 1960s, right? We've sanctioned Cuba.
And in fact, I think one of John F. Kennedy's last things he did was he bought a thousand cigars from Cuba before he signed the order sanctioning Cuba. So he was good, at least for the rest of his life. Yeah, it's interesting. The Cuban people might not be ready for Yankee imperialism. Were the Venezuelans ready for Yankee imperialism? Or you just think it's a different situation?
I think it's a different situation because they've experienced wealth and democracy. That's true. Nobody alive in Cuba has experienced any sort of prosperity at any point, really. That's probably accurate. I guess as Americans, we have this conceptualization that everyone wants to be free and people are imagining like, oh, wouldn't it be great if I could speak my mind?
And that's one of those things that sounds good to us. But for the average Cuban who just they need to get to work and they need to find food and they do this. Oh, it's democracy now. OK. Does this mean I get food? There could be that whole situation where democracy comes and you have winners and you have losers. And you look at Russia, right?
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