Chapter 1: What historical events shaped modern Iran?
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But I was also in the Middle East and traveling a heck of a time to go to the Middle East. Anyway, today we're finally doing it. Iran is one of those countries that Americans think they understand because they heard three things. Hostage crisis, nukes, terrorists. But that's kind of like saying you understand Rome because you watched Gladiator on a plane.
Iran is actually four very different stories wearing the same trench coat. An ancient civilization, a monarchy that got jerked around by empires, a revolution that became a theocratic nightmare, and now a modern missile and cyber war with global consequences.
Obviously, we can't dig deep on an ancient nation and civilization in a couple of hours, but we're going to fly through how Persia became Iran.
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Chapter 2: How did the 1953 coup impact Iran's political landscape?
why the U.S.
and Britain helped overthrow its government in 1953, how the Ayatollahs ended up taking power, why Iran built a proxy empire with Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis, what Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps actually is, why everyone keeps saying they're two weeks away from a nuclear bomb for the last two decades, how cyber war, AI propaganda, and old school religious fanaticism are all now mashed together into one giant geopolitical migraine.
If you've ever wondered why this country keeps showing up at the center of every Middle East disaster movie, why nobody seems to be able to stop Iran cleanly, and why every tanker route, missile strike, and fake TikTok war video suddenly matters to your gas bill and the global economy, this episode will get you up to speed. Here we go with Ryan McBeth. Welcome back.
I don't know, round 10 or whatever on the show. Probably not 10, but close to it. As long as I'm ahead of Andrew Bustamante, I'm good. Well, he's only been on twice. So yeah, you got that one in the bag. Maybe Ryan Holiday is still beating you. I'm not sure. He keeps writing bestsellers every year somehow, some way. Not exactly a competitor. You're talking about all kinds of geopolitical stuff.
He's talking about stuff that happened 3,000 years ago, whatever. Let's talk about Iran, man. So I have a lot of show fans in Iran, I guess. I know I do because I see where they download from. And Iran is like one of my top 10 markets. Somehow I'm shocked as to why that's the case. But it is, which is really cool because I've always wanted to go to Iran. And I think
So I would say I never met an Iranian I didn't like, but I lived in L.A., so I met plenty that I didn't like.
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Chapter 3: What role do Iran's proxy groups play in its military strategy?
But I have never met a dumb one or a lazy one or anything like that, you know? And I got to say, this is a country with a lot of potential. I've always wanted to go there. One of my biggest regrets is missing my 2010 opportunity to do so. And I had a lot of my Iranian fans in Iran and in the diaspora saying, why aren't you using your voice for Iran this time? You did it before.
There's this protest and they're killing people. And depending on, I don't know, the source slash the day of the week or how much caffeine the person posting has had, it was either they've killed, I shouldn't trivialize this, but they've either killed 3,000 people during the protest or like 30,000 people. And I don't know. Actually, do we know about that?
Because there's that one of those state-run media, you're never going to get a good answer deliberately. We're not going to get a good answer. And I've heard when Masha Al-Mani was murdered, who was a Kurdish woman, and she essentially was wearing a hat the wrong way. She was wearing her job wrong and they beat her to death. They beat her to death. Took her a couple of days to die.
But afterwards, there were these massive protests. And that's when Iranians started writing me. And they would send me pictures of people who were shot with birdshot. I'm not familiar with shotguns, but birdshot is used to hunt birds. So we're not talking rubber pellets. We're not talking stingers, which are these little rubber, almost look like the big bullets that come after Mario.
They're nothing like that. It's little steel pellets that are designed to kill birds, but they can pepper up a human. And so there's people presenting with x-rays with all of these steel dots in their face and eyes and upper torso. And typically when people present with that, they have IRGC agents there, Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps agents there.
And they arrest those people immediately once they get their x-rays. So they're shooting protesters in the face with shotgun. And then when you go to the hospital for treatment, they say, oh, well, he must have been guilty of something because we shot him in the face with a shotgun. So we're arresting him. Yeah.
And I've had Iranians email me and tell me this time around they are just shooting them in the hospital. They find the guy who's severely injured in the hospital and they finish the job when he's in the E.R. ? There was another person who said that their classmates had to lift up their shirts, which seems a little odd to do in an Islamic country, but maybe.
An IRGC came to their school, had them lift up their shirts to see if there were any shotgun pellets, birdshot pellets in their body, any injuries.
with that and then if there were they would take them away these would be kids somewhere younger if they could be with their parents protesting and they just get dinged with a birdshot pellet and now they're in school they're probably in a little bit of pain but you don't want to tell anyone and the irgc takes you away and god knows where they take you this is a couple days after the bombing only about 12 days after the accidental hit on a girl's school
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Chapter 4: How has AI influenced warfare and disinformation in Iran?
But it was definitely the U.S. Yeah, because mistakes happen in war, which sucks because this is like a huge tragedy. But I don't want to be like, oh, it's a bunch of propaganda and a lie because it's like we need to take L's when they come or no one's going to believe anything. Oh, yeah, that's the only way you get better. But of course you have people reach out to me and go,
How dare you support a thing that killed 175 children? I'm like, if you don't like that number, wait till you see what the IRGC has done. Yeah, that's been my chief sort of retort when people are like, how do you support something like this? And it's, oh, that's funny. I didn't see any posts from you when they were mass murdering protesters in the street by the thousands.
You're really concerned about this school. Also, you're posting a bunch of weird UK alt media where they say that we're invading because of Israel. Wink, wink, not the Jews. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Right. It's one of the and I'm like, what happened to you, man? I do have a few friends like that where I have to explain that they are just chugging propaganda from whatever crazy left wing regime.
It's a separate topic. But most Americans are not that familiar with Iran. When I say like, oh, I've got a great Iranian audience and the Persians are so smart and I would love to go to Iran. People are like, are you crazy? Yeah. And I think it's because, one, I wouldn't go now, but most Americans think Iran blinked into existence in 1979 when Ayatollah Khomeini took over.
And they were not old enough to even know, hey, we had a pretty good relationship with that country for most of at least our history. And it's been a pretty progressive place up until it decided to go back to the 16th century in the 80s. Yeah, Iran is an ancient civilization. It is literally older than China. If you want to think of Iran, you kind of have to think of it in like four phases.
There's the ancient civilization, there's a 1979 revolutionary regime, then there's their regional proxy empire, and there's present day with their modern war with missiles and drones and bunker busters and so on. Iranians cringing that you just divided their history into an ancient civilization. So there's like 5,000 years of that.
And then in 1979, this Islamist thing took over and the rest of it happened in the last three years. That will probably happen. Yes. Come on, man. So Iran wasn't even called Iran until like 1935. It was always Persia. And the whole idea is that Iran means like land of the Aryans.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the ongoing protests in Iran?
The history goes back like 5,000 years or so, like to the year, like 550 BC had Cyrus the Great. And he founded the Achaemenid, I believe it's pronounced. I've only read it. I've never said it. Yeah. Achaemenid Empire, which stretched from like the edge of Greece. To Egypt, to Central Asia, to parts of India. Famous King Darius, he invented Greece. He lost at the Battle of Marathon.
You say invented Greece? Yeah, remember the messenger, Philippides, ran 26 miles to Athens, and then he died. To say the Persians are coming.
saying that we won we won he said Nike and then he died of exhaustion yeah that's where we get the term marathon and he didn't even get a finisher medal or a t-shirt for that no he just got one of those Livestrong bands on his dead body yeah so this is when you hear the Persians are coming and you watch 300 or something and you're like wait but Iran is so far away well it wasn't before it was a big-ass empire and had advanced science nothing by modern standards of course but they had modern-ish medicine and modern science and it's
It wasn't always a place that was Islamic and decided to go back hundreds of years because something something Sharia law. That's a relatively new development. And I always want to be fair to Iran because it must really suck being Iranian slash Persian. And all anyone knows about your country is how screwed up it got in 1979. And it's like, yeah, but we had 5000 years and I was like, shh.
No, it's a shithole now. I'm sorry. No, no, no. You don't understand. We had just nobody wants to hear it. It's like the same thing with China, right? They're in this sort of communist phase and there was all the starvation with Mao. And then if you talk to a Chinese person, they're like, yeah, we would like to be famous for all of the other things that we did that were really incredible.
And the giant empire and the dynasties that go back thousands of years. And it's now let's just talk about this 30 year period where you really blew it. It's not fair, but that's unfortunately what we have to focus on today because that's why we're dropping bunker busters on Tehran.
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Chapter 6: How does the Iranian regime maintain control amidst dissent?
I still would like to talk a little bit about ancient Iran. I think people probably are into this. So they're fighting the Greeks at Thermopylae. Again, that's what the movie 300 is based on, very loosely based on. I'm pretty sure not one minute of that is historically accurate. But did Iran get conquered by the Greeks? I don't actually know anything about this era now that I think about it.
Iran got conquered by a couple of people. The Greeks under Alexander, the Romans, the Arabs, the Mongols, Ottoman Turks, they all came through. But what's kind of weird about Persia is that Persian culture survived. And even when Islam entered Iran in the 600s, Persian civilization, it didn't just vanish. It embraced Islam.
But when you look at Arab culture, there is a difference between Persians and Arabs, and a lot of people don't understand that. A lot of Arabs, they're tribal, and it goes back to Bedouin culture. And that's why you see when some guy gets elected president, he makes sure everybody is of his tribe, right? It has to be.
To the winners goes the spoils, and my tribe is going to be in power for as long as possible. Persian culture really doesn't do that. It's a lot more unified. Again, that goes back like 5,000 years. So Persian culture actually survived and changed Islam into something they feel works more for them. And most of the rest of the Arab world is Sunni.
which is another sect of Islam, which is the dominant, technically the dominant sect of Islam. I believe 85 to 90% of all Muslims are Sunni Muslim. I'm going to go ahead and guess just by the history of the Middle East that I do know that those two sects do not get along perfectly well. It's not like Catholic and Protestants in Northern Ireland.
They all consider themselves Muslims, but they disagree on certain doctrine, like who was the true successor of the Prophet Muhammad.
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Chapter 7: What are the potential outcomes if the Iranian regime collapses?
And that has caused conflict. One thing I've noticed when I personally was in Iraq as a soldier, when you captured prisoners and you put them in jail, the Shia and the Sunni would go to opposite ends of the cell. So the Shia would hang out with the Shia, the Sunni would hang out with the Sunni. How do you know who's who? Do you just ask? That's an excellent question.
So some names are Shia, like Fatima, that is a mostly Shia name. It could just be by your name. What is your name? Who is your father? And then, oh, okay, well, I know that guy is Sunni, so I'm going to go over here and hang out. Yeah, geez, I don't know. It seems so arbitrary, but what do I know?
We do definitely want to talk a little bit about that kind of thing as it is relevant, but I know that we have to jump ahead literally thousands of years, so let's do that. So by the 20th century, Iran had a king, right? The Shah? The Shah, the Shah of Iran. Shah literally means king in Persian. I think it's been a word 2,000 or so years, roughly, yeah.
So it's a Muslim country, but it's more or less secular at this point because it's modern. Is that accurate? It didn't really become modern until the 1960s or so. The real point where Iran got on the world stage was when British Expedition found oil. This was in 1908. There was a British Expedition called the Anglo-Persian Oil Company. And they discover oil in southern Iran.
At that time, Iran was carved up into spheres of influence, where Russia kind of influenced northern Iran, Britain kind of influenced southern Iran, and oil was discovered in southern Iran. And this made the British try to influence a lot of Iranian politics, especially since around that time, the Royal Navy was switching over from coal to oil for their ships. So this was a major resource.
Now, by the 1950s, Iran's prime minister decided that all the oil companies would be nationalized. A lot of oil revenue was helping the UK, wasn't really getting back to the people of Iran. The oil companies were nationalized, and the United States and UK did what we always do, and we backed a military coup.
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Chapter 8: How do cyber warfare and misinformation affect Iran's geopolitical stance?
Okay, so just to clarify, the U.S. and Britain didn't overthrow the Shah. They overthrew the prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh. He had nationalized the oil fields, which meant he took them away from the companies and gave them to the people of Iran. USA, Brits don't like that. They overthrow this guy and they put the Shah back in power.
I was wondering about when this modernized, because one of the sort of trendy things to do now on Reddit is to post a picture of Iran where there's some sort of 20-year-old baddie in a miniskirt having a birthday party. This is Iran in 1970, and you're like, what the heck? What happened to that place?
This woman right now is wearing a burqa and maybe has her eyes uncovered, depending on how her husband or brother feels that day. Wow. Not necessarily every woman in Iran, but a woman of that age during the 80s probably was encouraged... to cover up more and wasn't allowed to wear that miniskirt anymore and take photos. Yeah, the modernization kind of occurred in the 1960s.
They started implementing things like a social security system, buying modern weapons. The Shah actually left the country during this military coup, and then he came back and he had more power than ever. And some of the people who opposed him were on the religious side. So he started implementing these reforms. Women got the right to vote. He attempted to weaken religious power.
And one of the ways he did that was he created a secret police organization. SAVAK, yeah. Yes. That's one of the reasons the Islamic rebels in the 1970s wanted to overthrow the Shah. It was because of SAVAK. And when these guys were all done, they basically restarted SAVAK again. I don't even think they changed the name. They realized we do need a secret police if we're going to repress people.
But SAVAK was basically they did surveillance and intimidation and torture. And in Iran, if you were in the middle class, you were running around wearing a miniskirt. You're on nice restaurants. You were getting an education. But if you couldn't access that oil revenue or you were religious and living in a more provincial part of Iran, you didn't necessarily experience that.
And that caused a lot of resentment, which kind of brings us to 1979. So I see even still today. I've got Iranian friends who I've met in person, not just show fans as well, but they'll say like, hey, in Iran, yeah, my friend has like a Lamborghini, he owns a nice restaurant, he has pool parties where men and women go, and I'm like, how do you do that without getting in trouble?
And the answer is usually, his dad is like this guy, and so... the IRGC or the morality police or whoever, they just don't mess with him. And when the girls come over, they're covered and they walk in and then they take that off and they're wearing a bikini in the pool and like people take photos, but they don't post it on social media or whatever, or their accounts are private.
It's just tolerated because they know that people actually want to have a life, especially in Tehran. But I think to your point, If you live in a rural village where you farm stuff, you're not playing that same game. You're not enjoying nice restaurants and rolling around in your Lambo with your girlfriend. You are living centuries behind the elite in the capital.
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