Make Money Not War: Trump’s Plan for Peace in Ukraine
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What unusual meeting took place in Miami regarding Ukraine?
Back in October, at a beautiful waterfront home in Florida, three men quietly came together to try and end a war.
It's three businessmen in a Miami Beach condo, hunched over a laptop, redrawing European borders, effectively trying to solve a geopolitical problem. The key protagonists were Kirill Dmitriev, the head of Russia's sovereign wealth fund, as well as Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law. And Steve Witkoff, a real estate tycoon that the president has known since the 80s, who is now Washington's emissary to Moscow, effectively.
These men were trying to draft a plan to end the long and deadly conflict between Russia and Ukraine. A plan that would become the basis of lengthy peace talks that took place this week. But our colleague Drew Hinshaw says when these businessmen met in Miami, peace wasn't the only thing they were negotiating. That's according to people familiar with the talks.
They're not only drafting a peace plan that in their mind is a way to end the war in Ukraine on terms Russia can accept. They're also looking at how do we bring in Russia's $2 trillion economy in from the cold, lowering down sanctions as part of a peace process.
This is highly unorthodox and highly controversial.
That's our colleague Joe Parkinson, who reports with Drew.
They're fusing this idea that business should not be something which follows a peace deal, but something which should be integrated into the negotiation itself.
Over the past few months, Joe and Drew, along with a team of Wall Street Journal reporters, have been investigating the Trump administration's approach to negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. And what they found was a dramatic shift in U.S.
How are business interests influencing peace negotiations in Ukraine?
diplomatic strategy, particularly when it comes to relations with the Kremlin.
We spoke to dozens of officials over months. We spoke to diplomats. We spoke to former and current intelligence officers from the US, Russia, Europe. We spoke to lobbyists who are representing the businesses that want to step into a post-peace Russia. And the picture that they paint is really a remarkable story of business leaders working outside the traditional lines of diplomacy to try and cement a peace agreement with business deals. The Trump administration is approaching this peace process like a chapter out of Art of the Deal. The thinking is, we're going to come in there, we're going to settle this war and make sure that American companies benefit.
They see the enmeshment of business interests as a way of securing peace, a way of people making money together rather than making war.
Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Friday, December 5th.
Coming up on the show, inside the U.S. 's new Russia strategy, peace through business.
Drew, can you talk to me about how this new diplomatic strategy came to be?
What dramatic shift is occurring in U.S. diplomatic strategy?
The core of these meetings and of this entire peace process has been a two-man relationship between Steve Witkoff and Kirill Dmitriev. The Russians from the very beginning wanted to deal with Witkoff.
Witkoff, Trump's billionaire friend and golfing partner, wasn't the most obvious choice. The president had originally appointed a former lieutenant general to lead the talks with Russia, but the Russians didn't want to work with him.
So in February, they reached out and hosted Steve Witkoff in the Kremlin. Putin sits with him for hours. He flies home with an American prisoner. It's a real moment where Russia is saying, hey, if you work with us, we can do things together. At that moment, Witkoff starts to take over the Russia portfolio.
Following that meeting, Witkoff, whose official title is Special Envoy to the Middle East, became increasingly involved in negotiations with Russia. Witkoff's counterpart, Kirill Dmitriev, is a Russian investment banker with degrees from Harvard and Stanford. Like Witkoff, Dmitriev isn't part of the Foreign Service establishment, but the two spoke the same language, business. Not long after, Witkoff's office requested to meet with Dmitriev in Washington.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What unusual meeting took place in Miami regarding Ukraine?
0:05–1:57
2
How are business interests influencing peace negotiations in Ukraine?
1:57–3:34
3
What dramatic shift is occurring in U.S. diplomatic strategy?
3:34–5:02
4
Who are the key players in the new U.S.-Russia negotiations?
5:02–6:03
5
What opportunities did Dmitriev present to American companies?
6:03–7:42
6
How did the 28-point peace plan impact U.S.-Europe relations?
7:42–8:49
7
What were the European leaders' reactions to the leaked peace proposal?
8:49–10:13
8
What challenges does the U.S. face in implementing its business-first approach?
10:13–19:13