The Onion, the satirical news outlet, wants to buy Infowars, the platform conspiracy theorist Alex Jones used to defame families of the Sandy Hook massacre. Onion CEO Ben Collins shares why and John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety, explains what it means to Sandy Hook families and the fight against disinformation. Further Reading: -The Onion Is Buying Alex Jones’s Infowars Site -Alex Jones Files for Bankruptcy Following Sandy Hook Trial Losses Further Listening: -How Much Will Alex Jones Pay for his Sandy Hook Lie? -What One School District Is Doing About Rising Gun Violence Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What news did The Onion announce regarding Infowars?
Yesterday, the company that owns the satirical news organization The Onion shared some news that almost seemed like a parody. The Onion was going to buy InfoWars.
The Onion jokingly wrote, this is a coup for our company and a well-deserved victory for multinational elites.
Chapter 2: Who is Alex Jones and what controversies surround him?
InfoWars was owned by the far-right media personality Alex Jones and was up for sale as part of a bankruptcy proceeding. To a lot of people, the news came as a big, hilarious surprise.
Yeah, I mean, that's what we wanted it to be. We wanted people to wake up and be like, wait, I can get a push alert that's not the worst thing in the world. I can get a push alert that's like, oh my God, a nice thing happened on the planet. So we just wanted people to feel that way. This is Ben Collins, the CEO of The Onion.
Alex Jones is this is a guy who has spent his whole life trying to legitimize some pretty awful ideas through the veneer of the news. He's going to keep doing this like that's just the way it is. But we can interrupt him and also we can get one over on him. I think like
When most people read this news yesterday, they looked at their phone for the first time in a while, potentially, and was like, huh, something good happened? Something funny happened? That's what we wanted to do. And at the end of the day, that's the reaction we want to have from people. And also, we also get to build this world.
The Onion is the very best place at going at the heart of the absurdities of American life. And there's nothing more absurd than this.
Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Ryan Knudson. It's Friday, November 15th. Coming up on the show, why The Onion bought InfoWars and what it plans to do with it.
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How InfoWars ended up in the hands of The Onion started with a conspiracy theory. In 2012, a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at a Newtown, Connecticut elementary school, the Sandy Hook Massacre. Soon after the tragedy, Alex Jones started to spread lies about it through his platform on InfoWars.
saying that the shooting, and others like it, were hoaxes, that the victims and their families were just actors, and that it was all a pretext for the government to take away guns. In response, families of the Sandy Hook victims sued Jones for defamation, and they won. A judge ordered Jones to pay the families $1.4 billion in damages.
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Chapter 3: How did the Sandy Hook families react to the deal?
Like even beyond the first initial joke, which I think everybody thinks, you know, this would be the funniest thing that ever happened. How do we sustain that?
You know, Ben saw the potential to take over InfoWars and transform it into something new. But he needed a partner. So he approached John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety, a gun control and violence prevention advocacy group. John, what was your reaction when you heard about this offer? And can you say anything about how the parents of Sandy Hook reacted when they got this offer?
Well, I think three things were really going through our mind when we started talking to Ben and to the Onion team. One was, you know, there is nothing we can do to heal the pain of the Sandy Hook families, but our feeling was like if we could contribute one ounce of of restitution or one ounce of something that brings them some sort of satisfaction, it would be completely worth it to us.
And then the second thing, obviously, that came to our mind was just the battle against extremism and misinformation. We know that from all the polling we do that Most Americans believe in gun safety. However, misinformation and hate and fear has so distorted reality that we knew we had to get into the fight of battling it.
Chapter 4: What are the motivations behind The Onion's purchase of Infowars?
The third thing that caught John's eye was The Onion's record on the issue of gun safety. One of The Onion's most viral posts is from 2014. It's about mass shootings. And the headline is, No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly happens. The Onion keeps republishing this article after mass shootings. They've run it now 37 times.
And it's something every town noticed and appreciated. So they were on board with Ben's idea. And they signed a deal to be the exclusive advertiser for the relaunch of InfoWars.
We thought that an advertising relationship could actually help us really break through. I mean, we've got at our fingertips the facts, the data, the research, the stories, but what they've got is the creativity and the ability actually to use humor to cut through misinformation. And sometimes you need that kind of medium of humor to really set the record straight.
Well, say more about, you said that there's an element of satisfaction I think I've heard you say elsewhere that there's like an element of justice. What is satisfying about the Onion owning Infowars to you?
I think it's karmic justice, truthfully. You know, what did Alex Jones do after the Sandy Hook massacre? He called it a hoax. And for the Onion to couple itself with a gun safety organization, I think is karmic justice, truthfully.
Ben, you said a moment ago that you think that this is like the funniest idea ever, but where do you see the humor in it?
Yeah, I mean, it's obvious. It's trying to put on the affect of a real news organization.
He has tried to take these ideas that mass shootings are writ large false flags done by the government to take away your guns, that these victims of shootings aren't real, sometimes that they never existed, that they're actors or whatever, which is this double whammy of grief that these people in America, and really only America, have to go through right now.
They are the families of the victims of shootings, first have to deal with the most horrific thing that's ever happened to them, and then have to be visited by this wave of awfulness. And he managed to, for several years, legitimize himself. And what we can do as The Onion is bring it back to where it should be, which is farce and, like, lunacy.
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Chapter 5: What role does humor play in combating misinformation?
And look, I mean, if there's one thing that, you know, is completely on our mind, and I think everybody else's mind who sort of observes what's going on in this country. It's the role of misinformation and the fact that we have to stop just talking to ourselves. We have to talk to broader audiences. And I think that this is a way of accomplishing both of those things for us at Everytown.
Ben and The Onion haven't said how much they paid for InfoWars. One piece about the deal that we do know is that the Sandy Hook parents wanted to sell to the Onion so badly that they agreed to forego a portion of what they were owed by Alex Jones in order to support the Onion's bid. John, can you say anything about why the families were willing to accept less money for this deal?
Look, they realize that the currency of Alex Jones is fear. And fear has distorted people's perceptions of really reality in many ways. And I think that in some ways the Alex Jones is sort of a standing for the whole gun industry. And the gun industry makes money off of death. There's really no two ways, you know, to put it.
And I think this was an opportunity to really shine a spotlight on it and in a different way. I mean, we're living in an age of misinformation and sometimes facts don't do the trick. And sometimes you've got to use different mediums. And I think humor is one way
to cast a really harsh spotlight, not just on Alex Jones, but on the whole sort of industry of fear, of misinformation and hate that's so permeating the discussion of the issue of gun safety. It's what drives the industry. They make money off of tragedy. And this was an opportunity to really cast a pretty harsh spotlight and using humor and reaching audiences that we don't always reach.
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There was at least one other offer to buy InfoWars, by a company called First United American Companies. First United is associated with Alex Jones' new online store. The company alleges that the sale process was flawed, citing a lack of transparency. First United didn't respond to our request for comment. On Thursday, Alex Jones took to X and made a similar claim.
The words were exactly, this was a private secret sale, basically illegal is the word that's used, basically it's crime. I mean, bankruptcy crime, I mean, on its face. Disguised as an auction that wasn't an auction.
A bankruptcy judge said he would schedule a hearing for next week to review the sale process and the bids. The sale can't close until the court approves it. How do you think it solves the problem, though, you know, a satire website?
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Chapter 6: What is the business strategy behind The Onion's acquisition?
Well, I think the most important thing here is the onion is the diametric opposite of InfoWars. InfoWars is trying as hard as possible to convince you that a fake thing is real. And we're trying as hard as possible to convince you a real thing is fake. That's basically the difference here. And I can tell you, you know, I used to be a disinformation reporter.
I was for the last decade of my life before I took this job. And there's only so many facts you can show people before that are inconvenient and might not help their life before they might slink off into news that feels better to them, news in quotes that feels better to them, but isn't actually true, you know?
Chapter 7: How is The Onion revitalizing its publication?
The 6,000 word features I used to write about like cults that had websites, they were beautifully constructed and really good and well edited. And, you know, who knows what impact they made. But a joke that lands that's like a joke that's 10 words long that lands, that might have more outsized impact than anything else.
So you're sort of saying that like rather than fight misinformation with facts, you want to fight it with humor and satire.
Yeah, we want to fight fear and like we want to show what's happening. And the only real way to get to them that way is to be funny. Like you can scold them all you want. You can do the hardest hitting feature of all time. But I'm here to tell you like the best way to get to people is to be like, isn't it kind of silly that you used to believe this?
And what I think humor and satire can do is sort of point out the manipulation and sort of say, you know, you're being sort of strung along with fear and we're manipulating you into behavior that makes us richer, makes an industry richer, and makes a country more violent.
Now, I understand that you'll also gain control of this supplements business that InfoWars has made so much of its money off of. What are your plans? What supplements are you going to get and what are you going to do with them?
I believe, I mean, I want to defer to Global Tetrahedron CEO, Bryce Tetrader, who said we would boil it down to one omnivitamin that the CEO will be able to eat to gain immortality. I think that's probably the best way of handling it. We don't really have a second idea yet. I don't know what to do with a warehouse full of supplements, but we're going to figure it out.
It is a very silly thing, and I obviously never anticipated having to deal with this, but look, if you know a supplement guy, give me a call.
Mm-hmm. Can you, I know that you're being, you don't want to share much about what you plan to do with this site when it relaunches in January of 2025, but can you give me, like, what would be, like, what do you think the lead story will be on InfoWars?
Oh, I'm not funny enough for that. But, like, look, the way the world's, I mean...
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