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The Unraveling of OpenAI and Microsoft's Bromance

Tue, 28 Jan 2025

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Some of the world’s most prominent names in technology are pledging billions to build artificial-intelligence infrastructure in the U.S. in a joint venture called Stargate. Notably missing? Microsoft. WSJ’s Tom Dotan explains how the partnership that launched the AI boom has deteriorated. Further Reading: - Tech Leaders Pledge up to $500 Billion in AI Investment in U.S.  - OpenAI’s Stargate Deal Heralds Shift Away From Microsoft  - Musk Pours Cold Water on Trump-Backed Stargate AI Project  Further Listening: - Artificial: The OpenAI Story  - What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What announcement did OpenAI CEO Sam Altman make at the White House?

5.635 - 11.618 Kate Leinbaugh

At the White House last week, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman was part of a big announcement.

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Chapter 2: What is the Stargate venture and its significance?

12.899 - 20.763 Tom Dotan

His event at the White House was alongside the leaders of three leading artificial intelligence companies that are committing billions into a joint venture called Stargate.

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20.903 - 30.248 Tom Dotan

Stargate will build data centers and help generate electricity to support AI. A $500 billion private venture to focus on AI.

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32.443 - 48.381 Kate Leinbaugh

Alongside Altman, there was President Donald Trump and two other CEOs, one from the database software company Oracle and the other from tech investor SoftBank. What stood out to you about the presser?

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49.082 - 64.008 Tom Dotan

This was clearly a big deal for all the involved people. The image of all these guys in the White House talking about this and the enormous amounts of money that they were planning to raise and deploy in service of this project. I don't know. It was a whole to do.

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Chapter 3: Why was Microsoft notably absent from the Stargate announcement?

65.089 - 74.393 Kate Leinbaugh

That's our colleague Tom Dothan. Tom said there was another thing that stood out. One major player who wasn't part of the show.

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75.515 - 85.061 Tom Dotan

Not pictured, not up there talking in front of the press was Microsoft. And the CEO, Satya Nadella, was thousands of miles away in Davos for the World Economic Forum.

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86.882 - 88.963 Kate Leinbaugh

And why is that interesting that he wasn't there?

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89.813 - 114.944 Tom Dotan

Microsoft is the sugar daddy of, so to speak, of OpenAI. They have poured more money by a huge margin than anyone else into this company. And Sam Altman appears at almost every Microsoft event. Anytime they're rolling out a giant new piece of software that involves OpenAI's products in there, or they just generally have a big event, Sam and Satya will usually be there on stage.

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116.243 - 123.344 Tom Dotan

To go from that to one of the biggest announcements in OpenAI's history and Satya Nadella is not there is like pretty striking.

126.705 - 145.029 Kate Leinbaugh

Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Kate Leinbaugh. It's Tuesday, January 28th. Coming up on this show, is the biggest bromance in tech falling apart?

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Chapter 4: How did the partnership between OpenAI and Microsoft begin?

266.673 - 273.558 Tom Dotan

And it kind of kicks off the beginning of this multi-year and like multi-billion dollar invested relationship between these companies.

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275.099 - 290.789 Kate Leinbaugh

Altman called OpenAI's relationship with Microsoft the best bromance in tech. The two companies had an exclusive partnership. OpenAI would get access to Microsoft's data centers and its cloud computing power.

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291.758 - 313.685 Tom Dotan

And then from the Microsoft side of things, they get exclusive early access to their software that gets built. So when something like ChatGPT gets built, Microsoft gets a relatively early look at it. Microsoft can tweak it and build it into their own products and, you know, just generally get exclusive access to that company's intellectual property.

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314.505 - 324.523 Kate Leinbaugh

The relationship between OpenAI and Microsoft worked. And it became even more serious after the 2022 release of OpenAI's viral chatbot.

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336.372 - 345.418 Kate Leinbaugh

As OpenAI kept scaling up its technology, the company needed more computing power. And that's where it started butting heads with Microsoft.

346.167 - 361.295 Tom Dotan

And so OpenAI over the years would continually ask for more resources for Microsoft. And Microsoft, they have their own projects too that they're building. They have software that needs cloud computing. And from the Microsoft point of view, they were giving them everything that they could.

361.676 - 370.2 Tom Dotan

They were pulling chips from other projects and giving them to OpenAI so they could train all of their models. But from OpenAI's perspective, they just weren't getting enough.

370.941 - 374.683 Kate Leinbaugh

So from the people you talked to, what did they tell you that OpenAI did?

Chapter 5: What challenges did OpenAI face with Microsoft regarding resources?

504.924 - 520.312 Tom Dotan

So over the last couple of months of 2024, they were in talks to renegotiate their contract. And OpenAI kind of, it would reopen this perpetual can of worms of, are they getting enough from Microsoft?

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521.28 - 542.731 Kate Leinbaugh

Earlier this month, Microsoft said it will invest $80 billion to build out AI-related infrastructure this fiscal year, an investment that isn't just for open AI. And this fraying relationship was the backdrop to last week's White House announcement. That's next.

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562.04 - 571.542 Kate Leinbaugh

On his first full day back in the White House last week, President Trump held that press conference with Sam Altman and the CEOs of Oracle and SoftBank.

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572.182 - 589.007 Advertisement Speaker

Together these world leading technology giants are... Announcing the formation of Stargate. So put that name down in your books because I think you're going to hear a lot about it in the future. A new American company that will invest $500 billion at least.

589.628 - 596.011 Kate Leinbaugh

And this Stargate project is to build data centers, period. That's its mandate.

596.752 - 614.418 Tom Dotan

Yeah, yeah, basically to build multiple data centers. And there's a lot of vagueness right now. But, you know, there's also the infrastructure around the data centers, like bringing, you know, piping in the power that allow these things to work. I assume that's also going to be part of the cost. But it's all in service, yes, of these data centers.

614.798 - 618.459 Kate Leinbaugh

And it will be used exclusively by OpenAI.

Chapter 6: What recent events reflect the tension in OpenAI's relationship with Microsoft?

619.16 - 620.34 Tom Dotan

Yep, single customer.

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621.747 - 642.121 Kate Leinbaugh

Stargate backers say they have $100 billion already and that its first data center began construction last year in Texas. The companies didn't disclose how much each partner would contribute. Why was this private enterprise project announced at the White House?

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643.123 - 666.905 Tom Dotan

It was announced at the White House because they wanted to announce it as close as possible to the beginning of Trump's administration. And you saw Ellison, Masayoshi Son, and Altman all individually and specifically giving Trump and the administration credit for this being able to happen. We wouldn't have been able to do it without you, Trump. was kind of the theme of this whole thing.

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667.145 - 683.71 Tom Dotan

I think there's a lot of regulation that still needs to be ironed out when it comes to AI. And I think all these companies want to have a hand in writing that regulation. And the closer you can get to Trump and, you know, kind of butter him up is like a good move for them.

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684.502 - 694.649 Kate Leinbaugh

But in Trump's orbit, very close to Trump, is a tech entrepreneur who's in an open war with Sam Altman.

694.769 - 696.21 Tom Dotan

Yeah, I don't know who you're talking about there.

698.332 - 700.193 Kate Leinbaugh

I think his name is Elon Musk.

700.373 - 701.074 Tom Dotan

Oh, yeah, that guy.

706.878 - 729.26 Kate Leinbaugh

Elon Musk was a co-founder and early investor in OpenAI, but has been critical of how Altman's been running the company. Last year, Musk sued Altman, OpenAI, and Microsoft for alleged antitrust violations. An OpenAI spokesperson has called the suit baseless and overreaching. Microsoft hasn't commented on the case.

Chapter 7: What was the outcome of the negotiations between OpenAI and Microsoft?

758.669 - 781.854 Tom Dotan

It's so funny to me because sometimes as a reporter, you work really hard to find sources familiar with the matter to let you know what these guys are really thinking. And sometimes they just tweet it out. And that's kind of what we're getting here. So a few hours after the Stargate announcement, Satya was asked about it on a TV interview. And his line was basically like,

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782.674 - 791.176 Tom Dotan

Look, this $100 billion thing, I don't really know about that. All I know is the $80 billion that we have pledged for our AI infrastructure, I'm good for my $80 billion.

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792.177 - 797.698 Advertisement Speaker

Look, all I know is I'm good for my $80 billion. I am going to spend $80 billion.

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797.818 - 803.38 Kate Leinbaugh

So he's like throwing shade on how much of this money is real.

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804.249 - 826.154 Tom Dotan

I think it's a fair interpretation. And again, it gets even messier because Elon has been hate tweeting or hate posting about Stargate. And in one of them, Satya responds with like the crying, laughing emoji and basically says, like, we're not here just to hype up AI. We're here to build software and products that actually benefit people and make their lives better.

827.054 - 843.945 Tom Dotan

And it's hard not to see that again as at least a little bit of a shot at Sam, who is kind of getting labeled as sort of a hype man when it comes to AI. And so, yeah, it seemed like in that particular exchange, both Elon and Satya were kind of on the same side and sort of clowning on Sam.

845.285 - 860.935 Kate Leinbaugh

Here was OpenAI's sugar daddy turning on him publicly. And there was more. Around the same time Altman was at the White House, Microsoft was publishing a blog post that said the company's relationship with OpenAI had evolved.

862.162 - 883.696 Tom Dotan

The agreement was that basically OpenAI will continue to come to Microsoft when they have requests for more data center capacity. The difference is that now, if Microsoft decides it doesn't want to build the new capacity that OpenAI is requesting, OpenAI is now allowed to take that request elsewhere.

884.297 - 885.818 Kate Leinbaugh

They're opening up their relationship.

Chapter 8: How does the recent White House announcement affect the future of AI partnerships?

886.789 - 890.953 Tom Dotan

Yes, it is an open relationship now, more so than it's really ever been.

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891.213 - 892.034 Kate Leinbaugh

Polyamory?

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892.594 - 898.259 Tom Dotan

Sure. If that's the direction you want to go with it, then yeah, I think you could say these guys are in some sort of a poly situation.

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899.56 - 921.529 Kate Leinbaugh

Microsoft says it continues to be OpenAI's primary partner. And today, Altman tweeted a picture of him and Nadella, saying the next phase of their partnership is, quote, going to be much better than anyone is ready for. How important is Stargate to OpenAI's future?

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922.349 - 945.357 Tom Dotan

I mean, I think really important. I think they weren't getting what they needed from Microsoft. Microsoft was not building data centers at the speed and rate that they wanted. And so they needed to take matters into their own hands. And if they kind of have way more control over the construction of these data centers, then yeah, I think it's like, I think it's essential to that vision.

946.778 - 968.952 Kate Leinbaugh

OpenAI has said it needs bigger and bigger data centers to run its models. But this week, that notion was challenged by a company in China called DeepSeek. DeepSeek said it had created an AI comparable to OpenAI's without using any of the incredibly expensive chips that OpenAI relies on.

969.997 - 992.237 Kate Leinbaugh

In a post yesterday, Altman called DeepSeek's model impressive and said it's, quote, invigorating to have a new competitor. So in thinking about the Stargate project, what does Microsoft's role, or lack thereof, say about the overall state of AI?

993.53 - 1011.529 Tom Dotan

Well, I guess things have grown a lot since Microsoft and OpenAI first began their relationship. And the level of resources that a company like OpenAI needs is kind of at an unprecedented level or just a hard-to-predict level than it probably was in 2019.

1013.331 - 1023.897 Tom Dotan

So I think as far as that goes, it's a recognition that we're in a totally different era when it comes to the amount of resources and money that it takes to build these sort of things.

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