Bronwyn Sell’s romantic comedy, Lovestruck, is set in an island resort run by a lovably dysfunctional family – a perfect place for tangled love and tourists seeking a tropical paradise. Perfect that is, except when the world is in lockdown. Hi there. I’m your host Jenny Wheeler and in today’s episode of Binge Reading Bronwyn talks about the complications of writing romantic comedy in a pandemic, when you’re not even sure if your characters will be able to fly anywhere. . . And just to keep you happy we’ve got a “Isolation Giveaway” – three laugh-out-loud paperback copies of Lovestruck for three lucky readers – just the medicine for these testing times. Enter the draw online at The Joys of Binge Reading.com or on our Binge Reading Facebook page. Entries close 2 May. And remember, we always love to hear your comments on the show, so go online and talk to us. Romcom Giveaway for Lovestruck – Enter draw. Six things you’ll learn from this Joys of Binge Reading episode: Writing in the time of pandemic Managing a dual identity, dual genre life The road from suspense to comedy Romcom authors to watch Living – and writing – in the ‘new normal’ Seeing disruption as opportunity Where to find Bronwyn Sell: Website: https://www.bronwynsell.com/ Facebook: @bronwynsellauthor Twitter: @brynnwrites Instagram: @writerbron What follows is a “near as” transcript of our conversation, not word for word but pretty close to it, with links to important mentions. Jenny Wheeler: But now here’s Bronwyn. Hello, there Bronwyn, and welcome to the show. It’s great to have you with us. Bronwyn Sell: Hi Jenny. It’s great to be back. Bronwyn Sell – rom com author of Lovestruck Jenny Wheeler: Yes, you’re talking about being back because you are the first person ever that we’ve had on a second time, and that’s really a milestone for the show, partly perhaps just that we’d been going a couple of years now, but also because you have changed both your writer name and your genre. The last time we talked to you, you were Brynn Kelly and you were doing romantic suspense and winning a lot of praise and success with a four-book series called The Legionnaires. You won starred reviews and got a RITA reward, and you were going great guns with that. What made you decide to change horses, so to speak? Epic global romantic thrillers Bronwyn Sell: Well, yes, as you say it was a great start and I was very lucky as a debut author to be published by a big New York publisher, and they put the first books out hard cover, it was all looking great and they thought that I would be the next big thing. And the genre, which is epic, global, romantic thrillers, would be the next big thing. Turned out that neither of us was. It seemed that because we were targeting the U S market primarily, as well as Canada, the US seemed to go very insular in its reading choices when it came to romantic thrillers and my books didn’t sell in the numbers that the publishers had been hoping for. There were still good sales, especially for a New Zealand author. They were the sales, if you got that for the New Zealand published book, it would be a mega bestseller, but it wasn’t enough to get me a fifth book or a new contract, a new series. Brynn Kelly’s romantic thriller series – Deception Island – Book 1 At the cross roads It left me in a bit of a crossroads. I decided I could either change my romantic thriller voice to be a bit more US set and a bit more domestic or I had this other hankering as well to write something a lot lighter. When I first started playing around seriously with fiction, with full length novels, about, I don’t know, 12 years ago, that was the voice I started with, the lighter romantic comedy voice. And I ended up finding the most success in the romantic suspense voice but I always had in my mind that I wanted to try out this lighter voice. I was at this crossroads and I knew I could either stay in the U S market, and maybe go indie or try other publishers, or I could try this other thing while I’m still a beginning author, before I’ve got a big following, or before I’ve really established. Nailing Antipodean voice I chose the latter and it was interesting because this new series really is the antithesis of the initial series. I’ve gone from having a group of people who are loners to having a group of people who cannot get away from their families and going from quite an intense to a very light one. And then also going from having global characters having globalized experiences to really nailing down on an Antipodean voice and Antipodean humor. I guess it’s all part of the journey. I think I will go back into suspense at some point. In fact, the other day I was just looking at some of the other stories that I’ve started and getting really excited about those. I will eventually, I think dovetail both. I read it as an opportunity and went down this track. Dual author identities Jenny Wheeler: Yes that’s great because actually you could do the dual thing, you could write under those two names and maintain both those profiles couldn’t you? Bronwyn Sell: Yes, and plenty of writers do. In fact it used to be the rule that you would have different names for different genres but a lot of writers aren’t even doing that. I mean, the covers are usually enough to sign post to your readers what they’re going to get and what to expect so yes. I do have those two brands and ideally I think I’ll keep both of them going. Virgin River TV series – with Kiwi actor Martin Henderson Jenny Wheeler: I’m thinking of Virgin River, the Robyn Carr romantic mystery series, that was picked up by Netflix. That’s the much more localized community thing but it’s still in the thriller mystery genre. American readers do seem to like those quite closed environments and local regional communities, don’t they? Whitsunday resort romp Bronwyn Sell: Yes absolutely. And I think that’s why I set my romantic thrillers globally, because it was easier to write about people who don’t have a fixed idea of where they come from and where they live and are kind of global roamers, than it is to set a series of books in a culture that’s not mine. Jenny Wheeler: Yes, I fully understand that. We’re focusing on Lovestruck and it features, as you’ve mentioned, a lovably dysfunctional family who are all cooped up together on an island resort, a perfect recipe for craziness and misbehavior. The resort is rather like the Whitsundays and I gather that you’ve spent time in the Whitsundays, so was that your model for Curlew Bay? Bronwyn Sell: It absolutely was. It wasn’t my starting point interestingly. I had the idea for this novel several years ago when I was staying on a windswept beach on Waiheke Island in the middle of winter. And I just had this idea for a novel, as I say, that was the antithesis of what I’d been writing, where everybody is stuck to get there and cannot escape each other. Whitsunday holiday retreat a beautiful setting for Lovestruck An enchanted tropical island But I just wanted some warmth, so I really wanted to have a tropical setting because I love extreme settings and I love what that adds to the characters’ experiences and the conflicts they’re facing. I wanted this isolated tropical island and of course New Zealand doesn’t have tropical islands, so I had to go searching for one. But as I say, I wanted to keep that antipodean-style humor, so I didn’t want to go too far afield. I had been in the Whitsundays a few years ago with my husband, sailing around there. And it was the obvious choice for me because it is gorgeous and it’s a lot more untouched, compared with other parts of Queensland. Jenny Wheeler: Yes. You mentioned the extreme environment, but also the couples that you put together are quite extreme in their disparities. Making sacrifices for love They come from very contrasting backgrounds and at the beginning it’s almost hard for the reader to think that you’re going to be able to pair them up. Was that part of the fun for you as well? Bronwyn Sell: I think that’s actually the most fun about working in this genre – to put together people who don’t have a hope of working things out seemingly on the surface, for a multitude of reasons, but making them fall in love anyway, because then they’re forced into difficult choices about what they are willing to give up for this and what they want in life. I think it’s more interesting when a character has to make great sacrifices to get that end goal. Jenny Wheeler: Yes, that’s right. Some of your people are facing big sacrifices. You’ve got the feeling that it is probably a first in series and there are quite a few characters and story threads that we’re left with at the end of Lovestruck wanting to know – I wonder what happened to so and so and how did that one work out? I imagine that’s very careful planning on your part is it, there’s another Curlew Bay book coming? Messy endings – like real life Bronwyn Sell: Yes there is another book coming in February, but I do have an idea of being able to take this in all sorts of different directions over a longer period of time. But even as a self-contained novel I wanted Lovestruck to be a bit messy. I didn’t want it to be all neatly tied up. I wanted there to be some people who get what they want and some people who don’t. It’s just like normal life, right? We don’t go through a period of a year and by the end of that year, everything is wrapped up nicely. There’s always things that are a little bit messy. Jenny Wheeler: Yes, that’s actually very true, although it may be just a little bit against the romance genre idea that there has to be happily-ever-afters. How does that mesh in with that? Bronwyn Sell: Well, I think it’s important that, if you’re presenting a book as a romance, if this is the promise you’re making, then the main couple has to be together by the end of the book. Coming back for second helpings That’s the promise to the genre, and you cannot break that promise. But for me there’s a whole lot of other threats. It was obvious that the main couple are in a good place. Horrendous plot spoiler there but this is the genre. We all know that that’s going to happen but the interesting thing is how it happens. It’s those other threads that I think reflect life and reflect the unfinished nature of life and also give me so much scope to explore future stories. Jenny Wheeler: Yes. I mean Cody is one character we’d love to know more of. There’s lots of possibilities there for him to get his comeuppance, as they say, in terms of finding a woman who’s going to pull him into line. Bronwyn Sell: Yes. And that’s definitely going to come into the next book. He’s my Playboy character, very witty and very much a take him or leave him kind of guy. But yes, as you say, he’s got to come up and it’s coming. Writing romance in pandemic Jenny Wheeler: But you also have very cleverly given him depth. Women are incorrigible at seeing depth in these sorts of characters and you already set him up as having some quite interesting depths. You’re already convinced that he really is a nice guy underneath it all. How to holiday like a Bollywood star in Whitsundays Bronwyn Sell: Yes. And I think that’s true of real people, right? I mean, you do get the occasional jerk who’s just a jerk who will never be anything else. But I think that’s very rare. And there are so many layers to us, and it’s the case of encouraging people to bring out those layers. Which makes things interesting from a character perspective. Jenny Wheeler: Now you have hinted to me that having a book coming out early next year is slightly problematic with the environment that we’re living in at the moment. This global health crisis that we’re all facing is changing the face of what’s possible. I wondered if you could outline for us a few of the particular problems that you’ve got in finishing off a book that’s due out next year. What are some of the issues that this global crisis has presented? Will we be re-writing history? Bronwyn Sell: Yes, it’s a really interesting time and I know a lot of authors are struggling with this at the moment because of course we’ve got novels that are set in this day and age. We don’t necessarily reference a particular year but the idea when you’re reading a novel that comes out in 2020 is that it’s set in 2020 unless it says otherwise. And the same with 2021. My next novel is due out in February but I don’t know what the world’s going to look like in February. And of course this is a tourist company. The island is a resort island. What’s that going to look like for them? I’ve written the book already. It’s with my editor at the moment. It’s got a few layers of editing to go through, but I have people flying in from America to go to this island and I have people flitting over the world. Interestingly, the book does open with the characters facing a bit of a dilemma because the tourism industry is down, or their own numbers are down and they’re wondering how they can get more people to come. The question on everyone’s mind From that point of view it’s probably quite brilliant, but then what do I do with it? Do I get people pouring into the island again? It’s impossible to know that. Jenny Wheeler: Yes, that’s right. And I was even thinking slightly longer term because different markets and different countries might get on their feet at different times. Thinking of the U S market, although perhaps you’re not so concerned about that now, but the way it’s looking at the moment, they may take a little bit longer to get back to normal than the Australia, New Zealand contingent because of the way that they’re handling things. It might last a bit longer there that the books have to be tailored to take that into account. Do you think that’s something you also need to think about? The ‘new normal’ Bronwyn Sell: Absolutely. Because my character is American and he’s coming from the US, so “eek.” And his mother is also affected. She comes from the US. I do have until around October to finalize this novel. I mean it’s got to be pretty much written and in shape by around September and then I’ve got to add the finishing touches. But I guess at some point I’ve got to take a leap of faith. But I guess we’ve all got a choice to make. Do we ignore the pandemic and set our books in what life was two months ago? In which case does it become a fantasy novel? Or do we acknowledge it and just hope that it’s not going to be completely outside of the realm of possibility by then? It’s a really interesting time. I know some people are talking about how we should all be writing historicals to get around this at the moment, or futuristic or dystopian. But yes, this is a really interesting time for contemporary writers. Fantasy life or ‘real’ life? Jenny Wheeler: And it comes to mind that some readers might prefer to read books that are like the world was a couple of months ago. They might not want to be particularly reminded of all the upsets that have come with COVID 19. They might just want to pretend that life is the same as it always was. Bronwyn Sell: Exactly. It could be a real fit thing. And then if you do acknowledge the pandemic and build it in, then you’re running the risk of getting things wrong that are going to pull the reader out. And the reader’s going to say, hang on, that’s not right. And that’s the worst thing you can do with a book, is pull the reader out of it. So it’s going to be an interesting conversation with my editor in the next few months. Jenny Wheeler: Just a little aside, I must admit that I’m trying to write historical mysteries and one of the reasons I chose historicals was to avoid all of these problems. Reflecting social media honestly Being older as well, I just felt that I didn’t have enough of an understanding about how contemporary society really works. I’m just a little bit outside of the whole dating, social media thing and I didn’t feel confident enough that I really had my finger on that pulse, which is one of the reasons I chose historical. I do like history as well, but it is a lot more convenient when these sorts of things arise. Bronwyn Sell: Absolutely. That’s very prescient and wise of you Jenny Wheeler: I didn’t foresee this pandemic though. The writer that I’ve just interviewed, I actually just posted her episode yesterday, Fiona Barton, the most recent thriller that she’s done, one called The Suspect, is exactly this sort of book and it’s fantastic reading. It’s about a couple of Gap Year kids who go off to Thailand for the typical backpacker, partying scene and are sending all these messages home on Facebook, painting a picture of living the dream while things are going drastically wrong underneath. Separating lies from truth And she’s really examined and gone into the way we can use social media to lie. She has a journalist who is involved who becomes part of the story, and she really focuses and challenges us on how we are using social media and what it’s doing to us, so you can go in that direction too and really get into it or try and avoid noticing it at all, I suppose. Bronwyn Sell: Yes, I love that concept. That’s something that I think we’ve all started facing in the last year or two. Everyone has these wonderful Instagram lives that don’t reflect reality. I know when I take a photo for Instagram, I usually get the mess out of the edges of the frame before I take the photo and I think we all do that. But social media is an interesting one because it’s such a huge part of our lives these days and especially at the moment, when we’re all locked down. Love in the time of Covid 19 Jenny Wheeler: I saw a fantastic little clip on TV a couple of nights ago of a couple that had started ‘dating’ in isolation. They spotted each other from their apartment balconies, and then they actually went for their first date. He bought a Zorb and he walked inside the Zorb and she walked beside him, and that was the first date. Bronwyn Sell: That relationship is destined for great things, I think. That’s gorgeous. Jenny Wheeler: Maybe that’s going to be the plot line in romance novels we’re going to see. Sally Thorne’s The Hating Game – ‘best book to read in social isolation’ – and one of Bronwyn’s favourite reads… Bronwyn Sell: I’m sure there are people out there writing, I mean, not that particular one, but writing those sorts of stories right now. I think that social media does that. We haven’t really grasped social media, I don’t think, and we haven’t conquered it. It’s a wild thing that’s getting away from all of us. But I think relationships can get deeper in the written medium. It’s like in the old days where you would write letters to your beloved and you’d probably say things in your letters that you wouldn’t necessarily say face to face. A return to written media? You get to a level of depth in your communication that you might not otherwise get from casual dating. And I’ve worked that into my novel as well. There’s a section where the characters are in touch with social media and they do start to talk at a level they hadn’t talked before. And I think in those cases, sometimes those communications become a journal. And of course in your journal, you’re more likely to dig deeper than you are in perhaps even a telephone call with someone and you reveal things about yourself that you might not necessarily reveal. You do dig a bit deeper. I think that there’s so much space to explore how social media is influencing relationships. Jenny Wheeler: Just looking at the slightly wider scene, has this shutdown affected your promotional work for Lovestruck too badly? When the bookshops are closed . . Bronwyn Sell: I was fortunate that the shutdown happened six weeks after my book came out. But unfortunately, as with many authors, I have a load of paperback books stuck, locked away in closed shops throughout the country. And it’s just heartbreaking. Of course, we are so lucky that we live in an eBook era, but there’s so many people who don’t like reading eBooks. So they can’t access my book. And Mighty Ape has stopped delivering as have all book retailers. A friend of mine was waiting for her copy and she said it would have been perfect to have during the isolation, but it’s stuck in transit. Like many products are in New Zealand. My book is available in Australia and their books stores are still operating, but the foot traffic has decreased so much that I really don’t know how we’re doing over there. E-book popularity All we can hope is that the eBook market is propping it up and that people are tuning to eBooks and buying it on eBook. It’s still very early days and I don’t have a lot of numbers yet but I think we can safely say that any book that’s been published in the last month or two is not going to see the same numbers as it would have otherwise. Jenny Wheeler: Yes. I hadn’t even thought of that actually, because I must admit, I’m still buying a few books through Book Depository. I run a few competitions and the winners are often not in New Zealand, so I just order the books through Book Depository because I don’t have to pay freight and they’re still delivering, so I hadn’t even really cottoned on to that. That would be a really hurtful thing to be thinking of your books all shut up when people are wanting to buy them. That’s really hard. Magazine closure hits hard Bronwyn Sell: Yes, and I really feel for the authors whose books have come out in the last few weeks. That must be really tough. I think probably quite a few have been delayed, but I know that the Australian books are still coming out and they must be in a tough spot. Jenny Wheeler: Now we’ve been through quite a cataclysmic time, not just with the virus, but with what’s been happening with New Zealand magazines, and you’re working on one, which was an iconic New Zealand magazine, the New Zealand Woman’s Weekly. It’s been closed along with a lot of other magazines because of this pandemic. How big is the impact on you personally? I mean, we’re all really grieving for the loss of these magazines but you’re one of the staff members affected, so it must be particularly hard. Losing a personal anchor Bronwyn Sell: So hard. It’s just been heartbreaking. Especially to have it happen while we’re all on lockdown. We can’t even get together and have a drink and grieve the passing of these amazing publications. I’m hoping that some of them will be resurrected, like the Woman’s Weekly, the Listener, these brands have been around for such a long time it would be devastating if they weren’t able to come back in some form. The NZ Woman’s Weekly in happier times… (Jenny W fourth from right) I’m a little bit cushioned in that it was a part time job and not a full time job, but I really feel for all those people who were working full time, who have lost not only their immediate job, but every media outlet in New Zealand is laying off staff or letting go freelancers. The chances of finding work in the industry in the next year or more are really slim. The problem for me is that this was my steady anchor while I took on the more risky business of publishing novels. I’ve lost my anchor and that’s kind of scary. Creating new opportunities But it’s also an opportunity. I’ve been meaning to publish indie books for a long time but I’m such a slow writer that all I can cope with really is just doing the writing. So now I think is my time. Jenny Wheeler: Yes, see it as an opportunity. Bronwyn Sell: Exactly. But I do feel for New Zealand as a whole for losing these cultural icons and also for the readers, some of whom have been reading these magazines for decades and who are now isolated and locked down, some of them, themselves and won’t get their Woman’s Weekly. I think yesterday was the day that subscribers usually get their Woman’s Weekly and it won’t be turning up for them and that makes me so sad. A faithful audience Jenny Wheeler: Yes. I had a comment on a blog post that I did from someone who said she was visiting an elderly lady who usually got her Listener, and this lady is in total lockdown and she relied on her Listener every week. It was like a companion, and now it’s not coming anymore and she’s bereft. Bronwyn Sell: Yes, its’ so sad. There was a lovely interview on Radio New Zealand with Jean Topp, the Topp twins’ mum. She’s in her eighties and she bought her first copy of the Woman’s Weekly when she was in her twenties and has been reading it ever since. And of course, the Weekly loves the Topp twins. We adore the Topp twins and we feature them as much as we possibly can. And so I feel for people like her who own this publication more than any of us do. And you’ve worked on it before, of course, as well. Jean Topp, 89, with her daughter Lynda Topp. Picture RNZ. Bronwyn as reader There are so many people with an ownership of these titles. As I say, I hope that they can be resurrected by some white knight or someone out there. Jenny Wheeler: I agree. Just to explain for American listeners – the Topp twins are a very well-known musical and comedian team here in New Zealand. They are really twins and they are very funny. They are in themselves national icons aren’t they? Bronwyn Sell: They are. Absolutely, yes. Jenny Wheeler: Turning to Bronwyn as reader, because we’re coming to the end of our time. It’s been fantastic to cover this ground but getting back on track with talking about binge reading. . . I don’t know if you’ve had much chance to read with everything else that’s been going on, but just generally over the last six months or so, have you had much chance to read and what have you have you been reading? Reading as an escape Bronwyn Sell: Reading is my escape, although sometimes if I’ve had a day of words between my day job and writing novels, I just can’t face looking at another word. But I have been reading a lot of course, in the romcom genre and that’s actually been a really good time to be exploring the romcom genre because you need that lightness. Star-crossed by Minnie Darke – a romcome favourite I’ve read some great books recently. There is The Flat Share by Beth O’Leary, which is a UK book. That’s a romcom. I enjoyed The Hating Game, by Sally Thorne. I think everyone has enjoyed that. It’s written by an Australian author but with a fairly universal US setting. The other one I’ve loved is Star-Crossed by an Australian author called Minnie Dark which has got the most glorious concept where the heroine works in a magazine and she tweaks the horoscopes of the guy that she’s got her eye on because she knows he’s addicted to the column. Topsy Turvy horoscopes So all these Aquarians all around Melbourne start having very strange things happening to them because they’re following both star signs. And it doesn’t go the way that she thinks it’s going to go as always happens in a romcom. That’s delicious. I also just finished reading Where The Crawdads Sing, by Delia Ownes, which came so recommended and oh wow, what a book. That’s amazing. What I’m reading at the moment is actually an Edith Wharton novel that I hadn’t even come across, a very short novel called Summer. I just started that last night. So it’s quite nice to, as you say, go back into history where none of this pandemic had happened and leave all that behind. Jenny Wheeler: Oh, that’s great. Those all sound marvelous. I love the sound of The Star one. It sounds very clever. Bronwyn Sell: Star-Crossed. Yes, definitely one of my “go to” recommendations at the moment. New lessons learned Jenny Wheeler: Looking over this last period of your fiction career, what has Bronwyn Sell learned in the last 18 months or so that Brynn Kelly didn’t know? Is there something that in your new self as a writer, you’ve realized Brynn wasn’t so aware of? Bronwyn Sell: That’s an excellent question. Jenny Wheeler: It makes you sound a bit double personality, doesn’t it? Bronwyn Sell: I think we all feel a bit like that sometimes in this genre when you’re writing in different pen names. The biggest learning curve for me has been learning to write a book that doesn’t have an external suspense plot at its heart. So shaping a book that doesn’t have those very definite beats and that definite rising tension that you get with suspense. Then again, having said that, of course all commercial fiction is created around the suspense. ‘Will they won’t they’ questions It’s all about the suspense and in romance it’s usually a will they? won’t they? or how will they work this out? I guess it was taking those beats that I’d learned from writing romantic thrillers and using them in a romantic comedy context so I could still create suspense and still use those suspense skills that I’ve learned, but within the genre of romantic comedy. Jenny Wheeler: They’re more emotionally driven rather than externally driven through events that occur. Bronwyn Sell: Exactly. Far more internal stories. But then again in Lovestruck, I do have a lot happening on the outside as well. There are lots of family happenings and lots of things coming in from outside. But it is very much an eternal journey of each of these characters and a case of learning to write a quieter story in that way. What’s next for Bronwyn? Jenny Wheeler: What is next for Bronwyn, the writer? We’ve covered some of that ground, but do you think that you might turn around and try and do some quick-fire indies? Brynn Kelly (alias Bronwyn Sell) and her Forbidden River novella Bronwyn Sell: That’s my plan. The biggest success, critically, I had with my Legionnaires’ series was with a novella, which was just under 40,000 words. And I loved writing that, and I wrote it very quickly, and I won the RITA for it. And so I’d really love to dip back in there and try to write some more shorter books for the U S market in romantic thrillers. But also I am able, with my contract for Lovestruck, to write shorter books and indie publish them. I’m thinking of a series of related books to Lovestruck that I could possibly indie publish and set within that universe but with different characters. There are lots of possibilities and, as I say, I’m going to use the store closing to open another and try and explore those. But very much in formative stages at the moment. Where to find Bronwyn online Jenny Wheeler: That sounds great, Bronwyn, and I think you’d do that extremely well. I think that’s a very productive vein to try and see how you could mine it. I remember at Romance Writers conference last year, one of the presentations talked about somebody who’d launched a whole series with three novellas, and it had been very, very successful. That stuck in my mind as being something that is an option for writers to do. Bronwyn Sell: Yes, and I think writing shorter books more often is very conducive to the indie publishing format, so that’s something to explore. Jenny Wheeler: How do your readers like to interact with you and where can they find you online? Bronwyn Sell: I’m on Instagram and Facebook mostly. I am on Twitter, but I find whenever I tweet, it just seems to go into this big abyss and I don’t get much engagement there. So on Instagram I’m on @writerbron, Twitter @brynnwrites and Facebook @bronwynsellauthor. Other romcoms you might enjoy Jenny Wheeler: We’ll put all those links in the blog that we run with this podcast so people will be able to find you if they go online and look. Bronwyn Sell: Great. Wonderful. Jenny Wheeler: Look, it’s been marvellous talking. Thank you so much. And all the very best in finding a way through this very perilous environment. Bronwyn Sell: Thanks, Jenny. You too. Jenny Wheeler: Talk to you again. When you get into indie we’ll do it a third time. How about that? Bronwyn Sell: Lovely. It’s a deal. It’s good to talk to you. Bye. If you enjoyed hearing Bronwyn talk you might also enjoy sparkling fresh laugh-out-loud romcoms from Danielle Hawkins or Catherine Bennetto Love in the country from Danielle Hawkins on JOBR Sparkling Fresh romcom from Catherine Bennetto on JOBR Thanks To Our Technical Support: The Joys of Binge Reading podcast is put together with wonderful technical help from Dan Cotton at DC Audio Services. Dan is an experienced sound and video engineer who’s ready and available to help you with your next project… Seek him out at [email protected] or Phone + 64 – 21979539. He’s fast, takes pride in getting it right, and lovely to work with. 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