Kathryn Lane’s Nikki Garcia international thrillers are a great way to enjoy armchair travel if you can’t get on an aeroplane right now. Her latest book, Revenge in Barcelona, number three in the series, provides the perfect escape for people with itchy feet. Hi there, I’m your host Jenny Wheeler and in today’s Binge Reading podcast Kathryn talks about how her previous career as an international fraud investigator inspired her Nikki character, and why her creation is a lot more courageous – or maybe foolhardy – than she is. Six things you’ll learn from this Joys of Binge Reading episode: How some famous waterfalls prompted inspiration How Nikki Garcia is different from her creator Kathryn’s passion for Barcelona A life-changing time on Australian cattle station The writers she admires most What she’d do differently second time around Where to find Kathryn Lane: Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Kathryn-Lane/e/B01D0J1YES Website: https://www.Kathryn-Lane.com Bookbub: https://www.bookbub.com/authors/kathryn-lane Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/15096935.Kathryn_Lane Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kathrynlanewriter Email: [email protected] What follows is a “near as” transcript of our conversation, not word for word but pretty close to it, with links to important mentions. Jenny Wheeler: Now, here’s Kathryn. Hello there Kathryn and welcome to the show. It’s so good to have you with us. Kathryn Lane: It’s great to be with you. Introducing Kathryn Lane author Jenny Wheeler: Just a little geographical introduction. I’m sitting at my desk here in Auckland, New Zealand, and you are in the mountains of New Mexico. Kathryn Lane: That is correct. Jenny Wheeler: That’s fantastic. It’s wonderful isn’t it? Kathryn Lane: It is absolutely wonderful. Jenny Wheeler: Beginning at the beginning, was there a Once Upon a Time moment when you decided you wanted to write fiction and if so, was there a catalyst for it? Kathryn Lane thriller author Kathryn Lane: Let me say Jenny, that there were two catalysts. One was when I was still in my corporate job and I had been in Argentina for about six weeks and I took a weekend to go up to Iguazu Falls, which is on the border between Argentina and Brazil. I had a fabulous weekend and the location is unbelievably beautiful. As the plane was taking off on Sunday afternoon, I looked down at the Falls and thought ‘I have got to write a novel and put this location as a setting for the novel.’ I might confess I haven’t done that novel yet, but that was the first catalyst. Then let’s fast forward a few years. I took my early retirement from my corporate job and I was talking to a friend about the fact that here I’ve been retired for almost a year and a half and I still have not even started writing. She said, what’s stopping you? That question put me into action. I went home and enrolled in a creative writing course. Finding the courage to start Why did I do that instead of writing a novel right away? Because I didn’t have any training to be a writer. About the only training I’d had was traveling to a lot of countries around the world and having all sorts of interesting experiences, but so far as actually writing, I didn’t know how to do it. So I decided that I would take a couple of classes and the very first short story I ever wrote was published. That really helped me along. It really helped my confidence. Jenny Wheeler: It gave you validation. Kathryn Lane: Yes, absolutely. Jenny Wheeler: A lot of writers say that one of the best ways to understand how to be a writer is to already be a good reader. I imagine you probably were a reader, weren’t you? Kathryn Lane: That’s very true. Jenny Wheeler: You’ve got three books published now in this thriller series, the Nikki Garcia Thriller series, and funnily enough they feature a former fraud investigator – someone who’s doing a job rather similar to the corporate job that you mentioned a moment ago – a fraud investigator turned more of an international private eye. Mystery of creative impulse One twist is that, so far anyway, they’ve been set in Spanish speaking countries. How did you come to write that particular series? Waking Up in Medellin – Nikki Garcia mystery Kathryn Lane: First of all, they’re set in Spanish speaking countries because Spanish is my native language, even though I write in English. But one day, and it was about the time that I had that experience of flying over Iguazu Falls, this woman by the name of Nikki Garcia popped into my head and I couldn’t get rid of her until I wrote the first novel. That happens especially to fiction writers, not so much to historical or nonfiction writers, but for fiction writers, we depend on our imagination and somehow we create these characters in our minds and they kind of stay there until we do something with them. I set her in a background that I knew, which was fraud auditing. Let me briefly explain. When there was a company where something less than kosher was happening, and it could be at whatever level within the company, we could be called to go in and investigate and discover if indeed something was wrong, that there was fraud or collusion within the company going on and creating fraud, or there was nothing and then we would walk away as if nothing had happened and no one had ever reported anything. Jenny Wheeler: Did that involve face to face interviews or was it more looking at spreadsheets? Nikki gets into some quite definite confrontational situations. How closely did she model your own experience? Kathryn Lane: That is something I’m asked all the time. Jenny, she’s a lot braver than I ever was. If I would receive a death threat, I’d be on the first plane out of that country, but she stays and she confronts everybody that threatens her. It was typical for an audit to be more of a review and talking to employees within the company and making sure that everything that was reported in the financial statements was in fact what was really happening. Making forensic audits sexy But you had to interview a lot of the company people and you had to get a feel for what things could go wrong. I know it may sound preposterous to somebody who isn’t used to reading financial statements but when you read the financial statements, they tell you a lot and they tell you a lot of where you have to look. But then there are those audits that, if you’re going to find any fraud going on, you cannot depend on the financial statements. Quite often, Nikki does not depend on financial statements. Then of course, as you’ve already mentioned, she goes on to become a private eye. Jenny Wheeler: The most recent one you’ve just published is called Revenge in Barcelona. As I’ve mentioned, it’s number three in the series and in this one, Nikki and her fiancé, Eduardo – she’s picked up this wonderful man in the course of the first two books – are set on having a destination wedding in Barcelona, and it’s all interrupted by getting caught up in a terrorist threat. How did that happen? Kathryn Lane: She had some death threats on the job in Mexico, which was the job immediately before she flies to Barcelona, and she is told by her boss that she needs to fly somewhere and maybe Spain would be a good place for her to fly to until they sort out whether these threats are real or not. Danger in the Coyote Zone – another Kathryn Lane thriller In the meantime, she and Eduardo think Barcelona’s a wonderful place to have a destination wedding, but in the meantime some of her enemies, enemies that she made in prior jobs, have found out that she has gone to Barcelona and a terrorist attack, which seems to be a random event that they are caught up in, in fact turns out to be an event that was trying to target her and cover up their tracks. Ideal for vicarious travel Jenny Wheeler: There is lots of thrilling action, as you might imagine from your synopsis, but it’s also great for vicarious travel. I do think at this time when quite a lot of the world can’t travel very far, the vicarious travel aspect of it is wonderful because you get into all sorts of settings. It’s easy to imagine yourself there. You probably did quite a bit of research to achieve that. Kathryn Lane: I do copious research on all my novels because I want to make them as correct as possible. When it comes to Revenge in Barcelona, I went to Barcelona twice – right as I started writing the novel, and then before it was published I returned and I did change some things so I was glad that I had gone that second time. I get out and walk the streets and visit the locations I talk about, I eat the food I talk about. I really want to do that so that people who are reading my books have the feel they’re right there with Nikki enjoying the good things, and then they can be scared to death of all the intrigue and mystery that happens. Jenny Wheeler: I’m glad you mentioned the food because the food features wonderfully in all your books. I was wondering if you were tempted to put out a Nikki Garcia cookbook. Kathryn Lane: Jenny, my husband has been asking me to do that for the past year and a half. He is already keeping track of a few recipes and I am too, but I think it wouldn’t be a traditional cookbook. It would have the recipes of the food that I mention in my books, but I would have some Nikki excerpts, that is some quotations from her or quotations from some of the other characters, just to give it a little more flavor or maybe a little bit of a description, to give the reader a little flavor of how the cookbook came about. So in addition to giving my husband credit, I’ll have to give you credit if I ever get that published. Inspiration for author cookbook Jenny Wheeler: I’ve seen one or two. Diana Gabaldon – a Scottish chef has done one on her behalf. That was one of the things that got me thinking along those lines. Hers includes some aspects of her stories as well. Your books have had great reviews and they’ve been finalists in quite a lot of different awards. This one is no exception. It’s been a finalist in several competitions, hasn’t it? Kathryn Lane: That’s correct. It is such a thrill to be a finalist, because even if you don’t win the main prize, you are still recognized by being a finalist and for any listeners out there who may feel inclined to submit to a contest, their publisher submits, and they don’t get the number one prize, it is still a tremendous honor to be a finalist. Jenny Wheeler: Absolutely. I guess it’s a good chance to network with other writers as well. Kathryn Lane: It definitely is. For example, the Killer Nashville International Writers’ Conference in Nashville in the US. We have people that have come from Australia, I don’t think we’ve ever had anybody from New Zealand. The first year I went, it was my debut novel, Waking Up in Medellin, and it won the best fiction book of the year which was the number one prize and that came with money attached which was very nice, but it’s not about the money, Jenny. It’s about the writing. It’s about getting your stories as polished and as well written as you can so that people will enjoy them. Seeking Spanish readers too Jenny Wheeler: Have you found a way to break into the Spanish market as well? Even in the US, that would be a very big market these days wouldn’t it? It’s an obvious thing for you to be aspiring to. Kathryn Lane: Well, I thought at first that it would be much easier than it has proven to be, because I felt I’m originally from Mexico, surely there will be a publisher in Mexico who would be interested in taking the books and translating them into Spanish. That has not happened. The first one is translated into Spanish. It’s going to be relaunched because I was not happy with the way the book was edited in Spanish, so this time I edited it myself and it’s going to be relaunched in October. I am still searching for a way. We have been able to find some people in California who have a whole organization, Latino International Book Awards, and they do a great deal to promote people who are either their finalists or their award winners. I’m a finalist there too, I don’t know if I listed it. They will help you in some ways to find avenues in the United States to get your books out there, because there are a lot of readers that read in Spanish in the US. It’s a big market and I’d really like to break into it. But up until now it’s eluded me. Jenny Wheeler: In Revenge in Barcelona, there is a hint that the next book is going to be set in Hong Kong, but I think the pandemic might have changed those plans. Tell us about that. Kathryn Lane: You are so right. My husband and I had a tour. We were going to New Zealand. We were going to start out in Auckland and we were going to tour the North Island, the South Island, and then go back to Australia. As you know, I lived in the Northern Territory for five years, a long time ago. Then we were going to go to Hong Kong where I would do my initial research. Pandemic cramps research freedom Then the pandemic came along, and the tour was canceled. Without visiting Hong Kong – I’ve been there several times, but it’s been a long time ago. Hong Kong is not like the Latin American countries for me or the Spanish speaking countries because the culture is so different and the city is very complex, so for me to set a novel there is going to take a lot more online research, as well as boots on the ground. I have got to interview some bankers over there. My intention would be to interview American bankers and British bankers over there. I was starting that process when we found out that COVID-19 was out there and we wouldn’t be able to do that. So we hope to do it next year, but of course it’s all dependent on how the virus goes and if they get any vaccines right away or they don’t. Also, one of the concerns on my husband’s part is the political unrest in Hong Kong. In the meantime, I have decided that I will be starting another Nikki book but it will take place in Miami and we’ll have a Cuban connection. You might ask, why a Cuban connection? Because so many people that live in Miami are originally from Cuba. I’m starting to formulate that book, in the very beginnings of that, and it won’t be out until sometime late next year. A globe-trotting lifestyle Jenny Wheeler: You mentioned living in Australia. You’ve had a very international life yourself and you integrate a lot of cultures into your books. I noticed that in the Barcelona one, for example, there’s an aspect of Roma culture. There are some characters that belong to the Roma culture or, as we used to call them, the gypsies. Tell us a bit about the wandering existence you’ve had. Where have you lived? Kathryn Lane: I have lived in Mexico because that’s where I’m originally from, and I might add that half my life has been spent in Spanish speaking countries. Then I lived for five years in Australia. I went from Mexico, I got married at a very early age, at 19, and went to the Outback because my former husband and his father owned a cattle station. It was named St Vidgeons Station and it was across the Roper River from Arnhem Land. At 19 I was probably a very naive young woman and being on St Vidgeons Station changed my life. I credit that experience with giving me what I needed to make my life what it has turned out to be. By that I mean to live the dreams that I had. First dream was to travel a lot, second dream was to write, and I have accomplished both of those. Remote St Vidgeon’s Station – The Roper River, Northern Territory Australia I’ve done a lot of other things but living on St Vidgeons Station was a fabulous experience. Then we left and returned to Mexico. The marriage unfortunately broke up and that’s when I moved to the United States with my three-year-old son. I was a painter. I could not make a living for my son and myself, so I had to go to university. That’s when I studied Accounting Finance and became a chartered accountant and ended up working for Johnson and Johnson, first as an internal auditor and later I managed the finance function for Latin America and the Caribbean, so I had a very varied background even within my career with Johnson and Johnson. From Australia to Argentina During my years with J and J I also lived in Buenos Aires, Argentina, which again was a fabulous experience. After I left Argentina, still working for J and J, they brought me back to the United States and about four years after they had brought me back, I decided to take my early retirement and turned to writing. Jenny Wheeler: That sounds amazing. Did you start speaking English mainly when you were in Australia, or had you had your English before that? Kathryn Lane: Would you believe that in Australia we were so isolated that on the cattle station we always spoke Spanish because we were all Spanish speakers. But when we would go to Darwin or the town of Katherine or even Roper River welfare settlement, any of those locations, we would always have to speak English. St Vidgeon’s station – homestead destroyed by cyclone – Northern Territory Australia I started speaking English about age 12 and I attended – I’m not Mormon, but there was a Mormon colony in Northern Mexico where I’m from. It was about 25-30 kilometers from my town, and they had a fabulous school and that’s where I learned my English. I still have wonderful friends who are Mormon. Most of them have left Mexico now and returned to the United States. The area I grew up in in Mexico, unfortunately, there is a lot of drug traffic that goes through there because it’s very close to the border with the United States. It’s a beautiful area, but unfortunately right now it’s not an area that a lot of people would want to go to on vacation. Jenny Wheeler: That’s remarkable. I’m very fond of the Northern Territory. I’ve spent very little time there, but we went on a hiking trip along the West McDonnell Ranges out of Alice Springs a couple of years ago, my sisters and brother-in-law and I. I was absolutely captivated by the place, I can’t quite explain why, but I felt this mystical kind of something or other there that was just fantastic. Small town secrets Kathryn Lane: That was just what I was going to say. It is so spiritual there and you feel it and you’re not sure why you feel it, but when you’re there and especially I felt it so strongly at Ayers Rock. I was amazed and I have often told my husband, when we return to Australia, he has to see Ayers Rock because it’s so special. Jenny Wheeler: Moving away from the specific books to a slightly wider focus on your writing, and this is a question that comes up on Goodreads every now and then, it’s just a fun thing. Is there a mystery in your own life that you could turn into a story sometime? Kathryn Lane: You know, I’ve been thinking about that for about three years now. I grew up in a small town in Northern Mexico and small towns always have lots of secrets and lots of mysteries. As an example, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, who won the Nobel Prize for Literature a long time ago because of his novel, One Hundred Years of Solitude. Explore Cartagena, Colombia – the town that was the setting for Love in the Time of Cholera It was not for that novel but for another one he wrote, which is Love in the Time of Cholera. I don’t think he ever even names the town that he places that story in, but it is Cartagena in Northern Colombia and his inspiration was all of the secrets and mysteries in that town, which at that time was a very small town. It’s a little bit bigger now, considerably bigger. The secret of Kathryn’s success But yes, I would love to do a story. There’s always a kernel of truth in whatever story fiction writers take up and I think that my town, as well as my family, after I grew up. I learned all of these family secrets, illegitimate children I had no clue about, uncles and aunts and all sorts of things that went on in the family that were just amazing. To my knowledge, I don’t have any half-brothers or half-sisters but who knows, if I do research I might come across one. Jenny Wheeler: That’s right. I was talking to a writer last week. We were laughing that in those small towns, everybody knows everybody, and you’d think they probably knew all their business as well, but that’s far from the truth sometimes isn’t it? Kathryn Lane: Yes, it is. Jenny Wheeler: Is there one thing you’ve done in your writing career, more than any other, that you would credit with being the secret of your success? Kathryn Lane: There are a couple of things I can mention. One is using my imagination and also being disciplined. Let me explain those a little bit. To be a fiction writer, you have to have a fairly good imagination, especially when you’re writing mysteries and thrillers and you have to have all those twists and turns. But you need the discipline to get the project finished. I know a lot of talented people who, if they had more discipline, would do incredible things and they would write incredible books. I also credit my husband. I remarried seven years ago, and Bob is so supportive of my writing and so encouraging and helps me with the back office, because there’s so much an author has to do. It’s not just the writing. Even if you have a publisher, unless you are lucky enough to have a mega publisher, a Simon and Schuster, somebody at that level, which I don’t have, at least not yet, it takes a lot of the author’s time to promote and market the books. Paying tribute to a husband’s work If it wasn’t for my husband, I don’t think I would get a tenth done of what I do. He does all the back office, as I mentioned, so that I have the time to write. He handles all my speaking engagements. When I attend different book events, he handles all of that. That takes so much off my plate, which is absolutely wonderful. I couldn’t do it without him. Jenny Wheeler: That’s wonderful. If there are people listening today who have got that book that they’d love to write, what would you tell them was the best bit of advice you’ve been given and what would be the worst, if they were just starting out? Kathryn Lane: On the side of the best advice, be authentic in your writing. You have to write what’s in your heart. You don’t necessarily have to write what you know, because we all need to do research if we’re going to put out something that’s halfway decent. But we need to be authentic in our writing. We need to be continuous learners. By that I mean we need to read the authors we admire. If you’re writing a genre, whether it’s romance or mystery or sci-fi, read those authors you like, that you admire. I’m not saying that you should emulate them, but there’s so much you can learn from them. The last thing would be write for the love of writing. It’s a very competitive world and overnight success is very difficult. I listened to a podcast that you did recently of Australian author Michael Robotham. He is the exception. That’s not the rule. He was extraordinarily lucky. He had a lot of preparation having been a journalist and all of those things, and obviously wrote really good books, or that very first one was very good and he was able to launch his career. But that’s very rare. A long road to recognition Jenny Wheeler: That’s absolutely right. I follow a romance writer called Stephanie Laurens and she has got this advice for beginning writers. ‘Don’t expect to get anywhere until you’ve got at least six books out and possibly as many as 10 or 12.’ Certainly the idea of being an overnight success with one book is very slim these days. Kathryn Lane: It is very difficult, especially today, since the world is so competitive, there are so many books published every single year. Jenny Wheeler: I’m glad you mentioned reading other writers in your genre, because we’ll now turn to the subject of people you like to read. This is The Joys of Binge Reading and we like to recommend to our listeners books they might not have heard of. What is your taste in binge reading and who are you reading at the moment? Kathryn Lane: At the moment I am reading Catherine Coulter’s book The Last Second. It’s not really sci-fi, but it’s about a schizophrenic former astronaut at Houston’s NASA facility. I’m almost finished with it and it is fascinating. But she has a whole series I could recommend to readers who love mysteries and thrillers and that is A Brit in the FBI. It’s a thriller series and it’s absolutely fabulous. The Last Second – A Brit in the FBI #6 Jenny Wheeler: I noticed in Revenge in Barcelona you specifically mention the work of a Spanish author I hadn’t heard of. I did look him up because I was so intrigued, Carlos Ruiz Zafon. He sounded wonderful. Tell us about him. Kathryn Lane: I love Carlos Ruiz Zafon’s writing. His international bestseller was The Shadow of the Wind and it’s sold about 16 million books worldwide in 40 different languages. It’s a story within a story and guess where it’s set? In my favorite city, in Barcelona. He uses a lot of the landmarks within the city. Barcelona’s beautiful mysteries He has a Cemetery Of Forgotten Books series – that’s what he calls it, but it is really a location in Barcelona. He uses different names for the landmarks. If I use the Hotel Majestic in Barcelona, you can look up the Hotel Majestic and you will find it and you can go to the lobby or have dinner there or whatever, but he would always change the names of his landmarks. There’s a tour in Barcelona that readers can take, (The Shadow Of the Wind Walking tour) for his fans, and you can visit all these different locations. I never took the tour, but I did go to several of the locations I was interested in shortly after I’d read the book. That was a long time ago, about 2006-7. I flew to Barcelona, because I have friends there and we walked around the city and took in all these sites they were already very familiar with, of course. I might also mention that those particular friends were my beta readers on Revenge in Barcelona to make sure that I had all of those locations I mentioned, everything I talked about, correct. Getting back to Carlos Ruiz Zafon, he wrote six books. It’s unfortunate that we’ve lost a great author, because he passed away last year in California. He had cancer and he was only 55 years old. I was devastated when I found out that he had died. The Plaza Real, one of the locations on the Carlos Ruiz Zafon walking tour in Barcelona Jenny Wheeler: I can understand that. I’m now wanting to discover his books. I guess they were initially written in Spanish and then translated into English, were they? Kathryn Lane: That’s correct. They were written in Spanish. He was a native of Barcelona although as an adult, he did move away once he started writing and he lived in California for a while. Jenny Wheeler: We are coming to the end of our time together so looking back down this time tunnel, I’m not quite sure how many years you have been writing now, but considering the writing part of it, at this stage, if you were doing it all again, what would you change if anything? Would Kathryn change anything? Kathryn Lane: My first novel was published in 2016; my first short story was published in 2015, so I have not been writing for terribly long. If I had one thing I would change, I would have started five years earlier. Five years earlier would have made a tremendous difference in the amount of competition, and it would have been much easier to gain some recognition within a fan base. 2018 was the last year I think that they were able to report the books that were published. Just in the United States there were 1.6 million books published. So Jenny, how can an author distinguish himself or herself when so many books are published, plus you add all the books that have already been published. Final point is I would have started five years earlier and I would be further down this road. But I have no regrets. I truly have no regrets. I love what I’m doing. Jenny Wheeler: That brings us to the question of what are you doing now? Projects under development. I understand in New Mexico you’ve got almost like a writing retreat you go to. What have you been doing in that retreat the last few months? Kathryn Lane: When I call it a writing retreat, it’s my own private retreat. All it is, is the location and it inspires me to write. It’s in the mountains. It’s beautiful. I’m not taking any classes, but I do bring a stack of books which I work through, trying to learn, that continuous learning aspect we mentioned earlier, and then I sit down every single day and I write. Future writing plans I also have a newsletter and in that newsletter – which doesn’t take that much time at all because it only comes out monthly – I am doing a blog about my years in Australia, in the Outback. I’ve had so many people tell me they want to see that turned into a book. Of course, I would have to expand upon it. I’m not sure I want to write a memoir but that’s certainly something I’m considering for two, three years down the road. My most immediate project will be to start Missing in Miami, which is the next Nikki Garcia thriller. I also want to get enough short stories written that I can complement my short story publication that’s out there by the name of Backyard Volcano and Other Mysteries of the Heart. I’ll be writing another few short stories so that I can put a short story collection together. Jenny Wheeler: It occurred to me when we were talking earlier whether there’d be any possibility of taking Nikki to the Australian Outback, but unfortunately there aren’t too many big corporations that need investigation in the Outback, are there? Kathryn Lane: That’s correct, especially not in the Outback. In fact, when I started doing the blog and I was doing some research, I was researching St Vidgeons Station to see what had happened to it and it’s abandoned. The headquarters are abandoned. I was so shocked by that because it was a nice location and I thought, how could it be abandoned? There wouldn’t be much for Nikki to do, but she can always go to New Zealand. There are wonderful places in New Zealand and Southern Australia. Where to find Kathryn online Jenny Wheeler: Oh, yes. You seem to be very efficient with this online business, with your newsletter and various places people can find you. Tell us where readers can find you online, and do you enjoy interacting with your readers? Kathryn Lane: I do interact with my readers. My personal website is www.kathryn-lane.com. My Amazon author page is amazon.com/Kathryn-Lane. That should probably do it. If not, you can search for me on Amazon. I’m on Facebook, I’m on Instagram, I’m on Google, but Facebook is the one I’m most active on, although I do BookBub and Goodreads. My Gmail account, if anyone wants to write to me is [email protected]. When people respond to me, whether it’s my newsletter, my Gmail, Facebook, however they can get hold of me, I always respond to them. I love interaction with my fans. Jenny Wheeler: That’s lovely, Kathryn. We will put a full list of these connection points in the show notes for this episode so it will be up there forevermore online, probably long after you and I have departed to other places. Hopefully, that is some consolation, you’ll be able to find those links online. Kathryn Lane: Thank you very much, Jenny. Jenny Wheeler: It’s been fabulous talking and we have now come to the end of our time. All the very best with the rest of your projects. I think an Australian book sometime would be great fun. Kathryn Lane: Thank you, Jenny, and thank you for doing this program. I don’t mean my personal program, I mean all the authors that you interview. It’s great work for authors. Thank you. Jenny Wheeler: You’re welcome. It’s fun for me as well. Thank you. If you enjoyed Kathryn you might also enjoy Ian Hamilton’s Ave Lee series. Ava Lee is an international crime investigator. Ian Hamilton and the Ava Lee ‘Avenging Angel’ series LISTEN TO IAN HAMILTON Kathryn’s Books: Waking Up in Medellin Amazon paperback – https://www.amazon.com/dp/173328270X/ Amazon eBook – https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084GSGSRX/ Danger in The Coyote Zone Amazon paperback – https://www.amazon.com/dp/1733282718 Amazon eBook – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088ZV8TJG/ Revenge in Barcelona Amazon paperback – https://www.amazon.com/dp/1733282734 Amazon eBook – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082H96R11 Box Set – Nikki Garcia Trilogy Amazon eBook – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GZNF17G Backyard Volcano – Short Story Collection Amazon paperback – https://www.amazon.com/Backyard-Volcano-Other-Mysteries-Heart/dp/1943306044/ Amazon eBook – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079VZV1MY Thanks To Our Technical Support: The Joys of Binge Reading podcast is put together with wonderful technical help from Dan Cotton at DC Audio Services. 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