Romantic suspense author Lori Matthews likes putting strong women up against tough-guy protectors – but not so they’ll race in and save anybody. Not at all. The strong women learn to save themselves – with a little help from their friends – and readers enjoy seeing two alpha personalities get together and learn to work it out. Hi there, I’m your host Jenny Wheeler and in today’s episode Lori talks about her latest book, Hit and Run, number three in the Callahan Security series, with a cutting edge plotline about the race to prevent state of the art facial recognition software from falling into the wrong hands. Six things you’ll learn from this Joys of Binge Reading episode: A would-be writer from teenage years Pitting alpha personalities against each other Finer points in facial recognition software Plotting and ‘pantsing’ Lori’s theory of ‘romantic equalization’ The writers Lori admires most Where to find Lori Matthews: Website: www.lorimatthewsbooks.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LoriMatthewsBooks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lorimatthewsbooks/ Twitter: @_lorimatthews_ What follows is a “near as” transcript of our conversation, not word for word but pretty close to it, with links to important mentions. Jenny Wheeler: But now here’s Lori. Hi there Lori, and welcome to the show. It’s great to have you with us. Lori Matthews: Hi Jenny. It’s so great to be here. Thanks for having me on your show. Introducing Lori Matthews Jenny Wheeler: Beginning at the beginning, as I always like to, was there a Once Upon A Time moment when you decided you wanted to write fiction and if so, was there any sort of catalyst for it? Lori Matthews – mystery author Lori Matthews: My Grade 11 English teacher had this assignment where we had to write a short story fiction and it had to be suspenseful, and that ticked something with me. I remember writing the story and I did well in the story, but it just clicked in my brain. I sat down and tried to write my first suspense novel, which I’m sure died silently somewhere in a computer recycling facility, I’m hoping, because it was awful, but that was what started the whole thing. From there I always knew I would write. Jenny Wheeler: For people in New Zealand, how old is Grade 11? Lori Matthews: About 16, 17. Jenny Wheeler: Okay. That’s a good time to know what you’re wanting to do. You have now got three books published in the Callahan Brothers series, but I know that there was probably a bit of a gap between that light bulb moment in your teens and actually getting published. We’ll get to that a little while, but you’ve now got three books published in the Callahan series and I noticed that you’ve also got a new book in a new series that’s going to be out soon. We’ll talk about that a little bit later too. Strong male protectors… They’ve got something in common, both of these series that you’ve tackled, and that’s tough guy men, often former military people, who are now in the private protection business. I wondered if there was something about that idea that got your creative juices pumping, whether you liked the idea of strong men protecting us. Lori Matthews: It’s so interesting. I love the idea because what I like to do is put strong women up against them. You have the idea of that natural hero tough guy, he’s in every sort of action movie and those types of things, and I love to put the strong female right up against them so that it becomes a tug of war in a sense. I enjoy that whole concept. In my books, without giving too much away, the women always save themselves to a certain degree. I don’t like this whole thing of ‘he sweeps in and saves them. ‘No, that’s not how it happens. They tend to save themselves with a little bit of help, but I love that whole concept of having two very strong alpha personalities, regardless of sex, come up against one another and have to figure it out. Jenny Wheeler: I have commented that your heroines, the women they come up against, are very feisty. This word ‘feisty’, I’ve been noticing it surfacing a lot lately. It seems that there is quite a taste, quite a swell of readers who like the idea of strong women. Have you found that? Lori Matthews: For sure. It goes with everything that’s going on in the broader society at large, where we’re recognizing people’s rights in general more. I think that having a strong woman character is such a bonus because as a mom, and I have a daughter, I think it’s so important to show women as they really are, because we are strong. We’re not usually the ones sitting in the corner wringing our hands, which is often how we’ve been portrayed in the past. Women with questionable pasts I think the more we can get out there and show people, this is who we really are as individuals, it doesn’t matter whether you’re a man or a woman or you’re any gender you choose or you’re gender neutral, we are strong individuals. I so want to put that out there in my stories – strong individuals coming in close quarters with one another and how are we going to navigate that? Break and Enter – #1 in Lori Matthews mystery series Jenny Wheeler: The other thing that’s interesting about your women is that quite a number of them have a buried or a murky past. In the book we are talking about today, number three in the series, Hit and Run, Dani is a very accomplished hacker. She has done some hacking in the past that may not be exactly on the right side of the law, and her counterpart Gage has strong feelings about the destruction hackers can cause because of some previous experience he’s had. Then in another book Alexandra is a thief who likes to be almost like a Robin Hood of contemporary times. You describe it as “intent on romantic equalization”. I was quite taken with that term. What do you see in that term and how do you see that general thing of your women having this slightly dark past? Lori Matthews: That was one of the themes that really appealed to me. When you look at books in general, it tends to be the bad boy mentality, he’s the attractive one. I thought, let’s do some bad girls. They are women who have stepped up in what’s considered a male dominated area and said, this is my area too and I’m going to do my thing in it. Equalizing the scales I liked the idea that they’re on a perceived wrong side of the law, that maybe what they do isn’t necessarily above board, but in life I think we all realize there are so many varying shades of gray. I’ve given them all the ability to do what would maybe not quite the up and up, but if you go into it and read it, you’ll find the reasoning behind it is morally on the up and up. Alex in particular I absolutely love. She is a thief and she likes to equal the scales. So when somebody gets dumped and the person who dumps them walks off with their grandfather’s watch they gave them, because they thought they’re going to get engaged and then refuses to give it back – she steals it back. I like to think she equalizes the scales and makes sure you get closure. That was the idea behind her – that somebody can come in and scoop what you needed and make sure you’ve got closure from your torn-up relationship. I thought that was a fun angle to take. Jenny Wheeler: I’d just like to mention for those who might be interested in looking Alexandra up, that she is in the first book in the series, Break and Enter. There is also quite a strong drive for redemption, isn’t there? Lori Matthews: Yes. I think that, in general, we all have things we look back on and think, if I could have done that differently or if I hadn’t have behaved in that manner, things would have worked out. All my characters have a moment where they need to live with what they have done, accept it and move on from it, but in a more positive manner. A cutting edge plot line I try to put that in all my books because I think it’s an important thing for all of us to learn from our past. Jenny Wheeler: Hit and Run is plotted around the development of facial recognition software. The intention of this software is for the good purposes, but it’s attracted dangerous attention from the bad guys who want to use it for nefarious purposes. There’s a lot of high-level technical detail all the way through book three, Hit and Run. It’s not overwhelming for the reader, but I can see that it’s there. Every step of the way I thought, wow, I hadn’t thought of that aspect, that’s really interesting. Was that hard to research? Lori Matthews: I probably won’t ever pick something quite as cutting edge again, because as I was writing it new articles would come out and things would change and I would have to go back and change some of the things I said because it was so up to the minute. Smash and Grab – Lori Matthews mystery #2 But it was so interesting. It started with an article that caught my eye last year or the year before where they started talking about facial recognition software and how things like the phones and the computers we have are such a limited ability compared to what’s actually out there. I always joke. My husband says when he grows a beard, his laptop won’t open, it won’t recognize him. It’s like, it’s time to shave. That struck me as a great thought and I went from there with this idea, but I had to constantly keep reading because as I was writing, new articles would come up and how they’ve already advanced past this point or that point. Let me say I was happy to get it out there and be okay, it’s done, and I can’t change it any more. It was good, but it did require focusing a lot on making sure I was up to the minute. Modern Western series Jenny Wheeler: Maybe that’s why you’ve completely changed your setting for your next series and that’s Justified Misfortune. It’s more of a modern Western I guess, it’s set on a ranch. Lori Matthews: It is. Elle James has this world she calls her Brotherhood Protector World and I’m fortunate enough to write in it. This is my first entry into her world and she sets them all in Montana, so I had to look up Montana and do a lot of research about Montana because I usually write about where I’ve been and I haven’t been to Montana. Of course, COVID set in so my chances of going to Montana became very slim. So I did a lot of research, tried to read a bit about it and get a good feel about it and go through all kinds of blogs and things about it, and then write. It was nice to write something different, it’s a completely different setting. It’s cowboys, it’s horses and fun things and so it’s a completely different setup. Jenny Wheeler: I didn’t realize that was a book in someone else’s series. Are you going to be doing more in that or is it a one off? Lori Matthews: No. Within her world, I have my own series, I call it the Justified series. Justified Misfortune is the first one and the next one out will be Justified Burden. That will come out in December. Jenny Wheeler: Okay. In Justified Misfortune, a Navy SEAL named Hudson Riggs –we’ve still got the military background – returns to the ranch and discovers his high school sweetheart has been accused of murder. We’ve got the woman who might or might not have done something wrong and as we’ve said, there’s definite parallels with Callahan brothers isn’t there? Outside of their comfort zones Lori Matthews: There is. I so enjoy taking the traditional alpha male and pairing them up against less traditional females. I enjoy the flexibility that those characters have. If I take someone who has a strict background where there’s a code and there are rules – police officers, anything along those lines, firemen – and then you take them out of that and put them in a more flexible situation, it allows me a whole lot of room to play with their skillsets. Justified Misfortune- Lori Matthews That’s what I really like to do. I like to play with their skillsets. It’s one of the things in my second book in the Callahan series, Smash and Grab – I actually make fun of the lead. He came from the military too and the heroine says things to him like, aren’t you supposed to be able to do this? He points out, I was a JAG lawyer. He was a lawyer in the Navy so he’s like, I don’t have these skills you keep thinking I’m supposed to have. It’s great fun to play with those types of things. I like to back them out of their comfort zones and put them into different areas. Jenny Wheeler: There’s a very broad range of settings and skillsets, etc, that you’re tackling with these books. I’m wondering if there was anything in your pre-writing life that prepared you? I imagined at one stage that you might have originally lived on a ranch and knew all about horses, or that you might have had a tech background and been an IT person. Tell us a bit about your pre-writing life and how it fits into what you’re doing now. Growing up in Nova Scotia Lori Matthews: I’ve never lived on a ranch. I’m actually from Nova Scotia so I did grow up outside of a city in a more what we used to call sub-suburban setting in Canada. It was on the ocean, so you’ll see a lot more boat stuff coming up and ships and things keep coming up in themes in my books, because I’m used to that. I do tend to write about where I’ve been, places I’ve gone, so I have that personal experience with it. I was a librarian in my former life, so a lot of research comes naturally to me and I enjoy that aspect of it. Sometimes I end up going down the rabbit hole and it’s hard to get out of the research and actually get to the writing. I have a lot of connections in the IT world so I can ask a lot of questions and those types of things. It’s great that way. And like I said, I get so caught up in the research sometimes that it’s hard to get to the writing. Jenny Wheeler: They are also very intricately plotted. I wondered if you had some sort of system of keeping track of the various plot turns and twists over the whole scope of the series. Do you have a sort of book bible or a series bible that you try and maintain? Lori Matthews: I would love to say yes and tell you I’m one of those organized people. I’m really not. When I write I have four or five points I want to hit for each book. Of planners and pantsers In my writing, I aim towards those and whatever happens, happens. I have an overall understanding of where I want to go, I wish I could be a planner, but I’m a pantser and I tend to go wherever it takes me. In the first book, Break and Enter, when a character walked on the screen – and I won’t tell you which one – when I was typing and she appeared on my laptop screen, I knew instantly that she was a spy. She was going to be trouble and I knew it would be trouble in the third book. It’s one of those things that unravels for me as it does for the reader. And I know myself well enough to know that if I actually plotted the whole thing out, I would never write the book because I already knew what would happen. I’m much like a reader when I write. I need to discover it as I go. Jenny Wheeler: I’m sure that makes it exciting for the readers as well. Why did you choose this particular genre, the thriller genre? Louise Penny – fellow Canadian and Lori Matthews favorite mystery author Lori Matthews: Growing up, my mom read romance novels and left them around the house, and my dad read thrillers and he left them around the house. I grew up reading both, and it struck me that I should put these together because I liked some of the aspects of the romance and I love thrillers too. It was so much fun to me to put those together because both of them really interest me. I think a homage to my parents, my mom with her romances and my dad with his thrillers. It’s kind of fun. Jenny Wheeler: You mention you grew up in Nova Scotia and we could mention that in Hit and Run quite a bit of it happens either in Vancouver or off the Vancouver coast. You have a partly Canadian setting for that one, don’t you? How has Covid affected work flow? Lori Matthews: I do. My sister lived in Vancouver for years and I was out there a fair amount to visit her, so it fitted in with how I wanted that story to go. Part of it is set in Stanley Park and I was thrilled to be able to incorporate that. Jenny Wheeler: Moving on from the specific books to a more general focus, have these restrictions of COVID-19 affected you much or interrupted your workflow? Lori Matthews: It hasn’t been too bad. As I said, I’m not traveling as much so I don’t get to see new places which always kind of twig storylines and stuff for me. But outside of that, I’m very fortunate in that my kids are a bit older and so the online schooling is fine. It’s not difficult. I don’t have to homeschool in a way, it’s quite well prepared so I don’t have to worry about that as much. It hasn’t been too disruptive. In some ways it’s actually been good. Because I can’t do anything or go anywhere, I write more. So that’s handy. Janie Crouch – Lori favorite Jenny Wheeler: Is there one thing you’ve done in your writing career more than any other, that you would credit with being the secret of your success? Lori Matthews: I would say the thing that makes any writer successful is putting your butt in the chair. It’s the more time you actually spend writing, the better you get, not only at the craft, but also your story gets better. The more time I spend writing, the better I get at writing and the better my stories become. That’s a huge plus. The more you do it, the more you can do it, is the other part of it. Also reading. You have to read. If you’re going to write, you have to read because that’s what they call filling the well. When you read other people’s stuff, it really gives you a lift sometimes because you can delve into their characters a bit more when you know what’s going on behind the scenes as they’re creating them. It really helps. Getting into an editor’s thinking Jenny Wheeler: I read somewhere that often as a writer you can learn more from the books you see that don’t quite work than the ones that are amazingly successful, because you can take a note and think, I can see what isn’t happening here that should be happening. It gives you a little poke in the side. Have you ever had that experience? Lori Matthews: Yes. As a matter of fact, it’s one of the things that happens. Once you start writing and reading books, you start becoming an editor in your own head as you’re going through. I’m constantly editing people’s books and the more I edit it, the more I’m oh, yes, there’s a problem here, there’s an issue there. If I can stay in my reader head the entire book, then I know it’s a really well written book. If I’m getting out of it and I’m into my editor head, I can learn from each of these things, I see where that didn’t work for this. I actually have stickies occasionally that have little notes on them – remember to do this, so that I know for my own work that I should do it. Jenny Wheeler: I’ve got one in front of me, right at the moment. I recently read a book and I had two things as a takeaway – don’t be predictable and establish credible motivation – because I got so annoyed with one of the characters. She was an enabler and she kept on trusting and enabling people she took pity on who kept on stabbing her in the back. I started to get really frustrated with this pattern. Character motivation a key Wake up girl, I was thinking. I had this conflict – well she’s really hooked you, you’re really invested in these characters, you’re getting so mad about the way they’re behaving, but at the same time, I was tempted to put it down because I was so irritated. Lori Matthews: Yes, it’s true. One of the big things is your characters. If the motivation for what they’re doing doesn’t come across properly, it’s hard to get through the book. You get frustrated with the characters. As you create a character, it has to be realistic enough that readers are taken with them and they’re invested in them and they like them, but they’re not annoyed with them too, because sometimes that’s what happens. I’m getting to the point, and I’m horrible about it, but now if I get to that point and I can’t engage in that way, I have to put the book down. I can’t finish it. It’s just too much. Jenny Wheeler: Do you ever feel that way about your own characters as you’re writing? Another Lori Matthews favorite Lori Matthews: Oh, yes. As a writer, I have stages. In the beginning I’m all excited and this is going really well. By the time I’ve finished writing the entire first draft, I hate it. Then I go back, and I read it over and I make notes and I do all these things and I try and improve it. Then I sort of like it and it goes to my editor and it comes back again, and I hate it again. Eventually, by the time I’m done, I’m like, okay, it’s not bad. Then it goes off and I eventually get a copy in print and I open it up and I’ll tell you, the strangest thing happens. I read parts of it and think, did I write that? I have no memory writing that. That’s pretty good. Best and worst beginner advice Jenny Wheeler: That’s wonderful if it happens like that. So, your best advice is to stick at it. What would be the worst advice either you yourself have received or you’ve seen being given to other beginning writers? Lori Matthews: There’s always this rush to publish, to put it out there and to try and get an agent or an editor or put it out yourself. There’s no rush. That’s the big thing. I’ve seen it time and time again, people being told, you can do this, or you do that. You have to learn your craft. You have to take the time to really learn what you’re doing, because if you don’t and you’re rushed to put it out, you can take it down if you’ve done it yourself but it’s one of those things where it never really goes away. It’s out there in perpetuity that you’ve put this out there and it’s not your best work. I always think, take your time, there’s no rush. I think there is a reader for every book, and you will find your readers, but take your time so that what you’re putting out is your best stuff. Jenny Wheeler: Tell us about how that played out in your own life. How long did it take for you to first get published? Lori Matthews: Five years. From the time I started to the time Break and Enter came out was five years. I actually have three other books that I consider probably will never see the light of day. They go in your bottom drawer because they are your practice books, what I think of as practice books. That’s what I mean about learning your craft. I took courses and I went to workshops and listened to lectures and did all those things and hired editors and learned and learned before I put anything out there. I think you need to take your time. Turning to Lori as reader… That’s what I’ve learned is take your time and make sure that that what you’re putting out is good, it’s solid. It’s something you’re proud of. Jenny Wheeler: Turning to Lori as reader, because this is The Joys of Binge Reading and we like to provide inspiration for other people who like to read genre fiction, entertainment fiction. What are your tastes in fiction, and have you got some current books or even classics you’d like to recommend to people that they might not be aware of? Lori Matthews: I read all over the place. I am a complete all over the map kind of reader. I don’t stick in one area. But lately – Janie Crouch is very similar to what I write, it’s romantic suspense and it’s the same type of ex-Navy SEAL or that type of thing. She has a Linear Tactical lineatseries and I just finished her most recent one which was entitled Baby. That was really good. I also read historicals and romance. Not too long ago, I finished Wild, Wild Rake from Janna MacGregor. That’s her Cavensham Heiresses series. It’s very good. Louise Penny has out All the Devils are Here. (Inspector Gamache #16 in series) I love Louise Penny. If you haven’t read her mystery series with Inspector Gamache, it’s fabulous. And a Canadian so she sets it all outside of Montreal. I absolutely adore that series as well. I read A Discovery of Witches not too long ago so now I’ve got the second one. It’s on the top of my to-be-read pile because I’m just trying to catch up on that. I love that series. Jenny Wheeler: Is that paranormal? I don’t know that one. Adapted from Deborah Harkness best-selling trilogy of novels, A Discovery of Witches is a bold and romantic thriller that uncovers a secret underworld of extraordinary beings hiding in plain sight for fear of persecution by humans they are vampires, witches and daemons. Lori Matthews: Yes it is. It’s a paranormal about vampires and witches and I’m trying to remember if it’s HBO who did the TV version. I think it’s HBO, but if you’re into paranormal at all, it’s very good. It’s an excellent series. What would Lori change? Jenny Wheeler: Great. We’re starting to come to the end of our time together so circling around and looking back down your career as a writer, at this stage if you were doing it all again, is there anything you would change? Lori Matthews: I probably would have started earlier, made time for it around my children more, but I waited until my kids were really ensconced in school and well on their way before I started. I think I would have started a little bit earlier but other than that I like the road I’ve chosen and it’s working for me and I’ve learned so much that it’s hard to say I want to go back and alter anything because then I may not have learned the same amount. The only thing is maybe starting sooner Jenny Wheeler: When you were that young mum, did you have that secret ambition that one day I’m going to do this? Lori Matthews: For sure, from the very moment I stopped working. I was pregnant with my daughter, I had five weeks before her due date. That was the first time I hadn’t worked since I was 15 and I remember thinking even then, I’m going to get to write. Then you have a baby and I already had a seven-year-old stepson and life takes over and you get busy. It was quite a few years before I managed to start. I do have a half inch novel somewhere too I have to dig out and see what that looks like at some point. But it really was about five years ago when I seriously sat down and decided I would do it. What’s next for Lori the writer Jenny Wheeler: I think you’re also quite well connected in writing circles. You belong to some of the crime writers’ groups and I guess networking with other writers is quite an important part of life, is it? Lori Matthews: It’s an absolute necessity. There is nothing better for me than getting together with a group of writers and just talking. It’s one of the ways that refills your soul in writing because you can sit around and discuss the details of writing. Writing is a solitary thing. You’re sitting in your office writing and you’re hoping people we’ll read it and enjoy it, but you’re never sure. Sitting around and talking to a pile of other writers, it’s instant joy because you’re learning from them and they’re learning from you and you’re getting to hash out all kinds of different ideas and thoughts and things. It’s a fantastic exchange of creativity. Jenny Wheeler: That sounds great. What is next for Lori the writer over the next twelve months? What have you got in development? Lori Matthews: I have a new series. The first book I’m working on now, still doing research but I’m going to start writing shortly. That series is slightly different – similar idea but it will be based on Coast Guard, and they’re actually still in the Coast Guard, so there’ll be a different perspective. That will happen through next year, all three books will come out next year. And there’s another small town, mystery suspense, romantic suspense, story that will also start with other authors. We’re doing a combined series where we create this town it will be set in. Candlewood Falls is the name of the town and that will come out late next year. Jenny Wheeler: Wow. Your laptop is running hot. Researching the next book Lori Matthews: It is. There are days when I think I want to take a break, but I can only do it for so long before I find myself going, well, maybe I’ll look at this or I’ll work on that while I’m doing it. It’s all good. Jenny Wheeler: The Coast Guard research – have you a good contact with the Coast Guard to get those details right? Lori Matthews: I’m working on it. I have a friend who retired from the Coast Guard so I’ve been asking him a lot of questions and I’m reading about it and trying to figure out exactly how I will make it work. It’s very fascinating. I had no concept before I started. My base concept for the series was, believe it or not, shipping. I have a friend who is involved in creating software for shipping companies and that twigged my imagination. I thought, what goes with shipping? Coast Guard. That’s where I went with it. My research has been a lot of fun to do but it’s a whole new field for me. Jenny Wheeler: What part of the coast are they going to be situated on? Have you decided that yet? Lori Matthews: The first story will take place down the Pacific Coast of the U S and into Central and South America, something along those lines. Then I think I’m going to come over to your side of the world in the second book. Jenny Wheeler: Oh really? That sounds fascinating. We’ll have to keep an eye on that. I’m sure you like to interact with your readers. Do you get good feedback from your readers? Where to find Lori online Lori Matthews: I do. I’m always looking for more. Feedback is so important. On my Facebook page, which is Lori Matthews Books, you can find me. I put stuff out all the time and I’m always looking for feedback because that’s how I love to create my characters. One of my recent posts was what’s the thing that annoys you most about your mate, because one of the things I always try and do is have something that’s annoying about them or something that the opposite person goes, I can’t stand that, that’s horrendous. Or they do something that’s annoying. I think that’s part of your setup. When I set up a character, I fill out dating forms for them, online dating type of forms. I download one and fill it out for my characters because I think that’s kind of fun. It gives me a huge background on them, and it gives me a lot of stuff to work with. It’s great fun for me in that way and it makes the story flow so much better when I know my characters. Jenny Wheeler: That’s a great idea. So you’re on Facebook. Lori Matthews: Yes, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, and my website is lorimatthewsbooks.com. Like I say, I always love feedback so anybody who wants to reach out, I’d be happy to hear from you. It makes me so happy to speak with people who are readers, who are into all of this stuff. It’s just great. I can mine it for all kinds of information about my characters. Links to Lori’s books and website Jenny Wheeler: And just to reassure people, the links for all of those sites, the social media contacts and the books will be in the show notes that will be published with the podcast. You will be able to go online to the website page and find all of that for yourself. You don’t have to rely on the verbal transcript. We’ve run out of time today, but it’s been fantastic talking and you’re certainly a very busy writer. Lori Matthews: Thank you so much. I really enjoyed speaking with you. Jenny Wheeler: That’s lovely, Lori. Thanks. If you enjoyed Lori’s tough guys and strong women, you might also enjoy LynDee Walker’s Pulse Pounding Crime Thrillers. LISTEN TO LYNDEE NOW Thanks To Our Technical Support: The Joys of Binge Reading podcast is put together with wonderful technical help from Dan Cotton at DC Audio Services. 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