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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Tortoise Investigates.
Hello, it's Lucy. Before we get into episode six, the final part of our story, I just wanted to say a huge thank you for listening. We're so glad you've enjoyed the series. Because we've had such an overwhelming response, we're planning a special bonus episode for Observer subscribers to try and answer some of the questions we know you still have.
Katie and I will be sitting down with Jess and putting some of your questions directly to her.
Chapter 2: What surprising visitors arrive at Jess's home?
So if there's anything you'd like to ask us about the investigation, the DNA search or Jess's journey, please send us an email or a voice note to foundling at observer.co.uk. We can't wait to hear from you. Now on to episode six. In late October last year, two men turn up on Jess's doorstep. Jess isn't at home, but the smartly dressed middle-aged men are spotted by some builders.
And they tell Jess they looked just like coppers. But when Jess calls the local force, they don't know anything about the visit. So if they aren't police, who are they? Jess spends an anxious week thinking about this. She becomes slightly paranoid and tries to avoid being at home on her own. The men return a week later and they seem friendly and Jess is her usual warm, welcoming self.
I said, do you want a cup of tea? Yeah, we'll have a cup of tea. But she can't contain her nerves. She can't help worrying that she must have done something wrong because the two men, they are from the police, just not from the regular force.
I said, actually, before I boil the kettle, can you just tell me what the hell this is about? Because you're making me panic so bad. And he was like, oh, we're from the Cold Cases team and it's about you as a founding. I went, fine.
For years, Jess has been the one asking the questions. Since she was a teenager, she's been the one trying to unearth hidden things. Now, all of a sudden, the tables have turned. Two professional investigators are asking Jess questions about being a foundling. I was like, what the hell is going on?
Oddly, apart from the TV producers who made the long lost family episode and then me, no one's really asked Jess about the events at the start of her life. Her friends have, sure, but never anyone official. The police investigation into her abandonment ended years ago when she was still tiny. There were no answers then and the case was shelved.
And then last year, I started asking questions and trying to speak to officers who worked on the investigation back in 1987. And that seems to have set off a chain reaction. I was setting up the mics to interview Aldwyn Jones, the original detective on the case, who we heard from at the start of the series. And he asked me something I wasn't quite prepared for.
Are you going to do anything with the mother or not?
I'm going to ask her. I've written to her. Now, in an investigation like this, you tread quite carefully with the information you're gathering. You don't go around telling everyone everything. But when a senior policeman, even one who's retired, asks you for the answer to a mystery he and his team didn't manage to crack, well, you feel a bit of pressure. Yeah.
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Chapter 3: Who are the men visiting Jess and what do they want?
She's the mother.
All right.
And it turns out he shared that crucial piece of information with some of his former colleagues. Once a copper, always a copper, right? And that's led here to a pair of cold case officers drinking tea on Jess's sofa.
So I was trying to get all the timeline together for them to write it down.
My questions had set something in motion that I hadn't anticipated. Remember how Aldwyn had said that baby Jess was lucky to be alive? How a lot of babies who are abandoned don't survive? The plainclothes police officers tell Jess about two babies who were found dead in 1984.
The very matter of fact about it all and laid out the facts that, you know, they were looking at these two other cases of babies being abandoned and they had to investigate them. because it was in a certain mile radius of where I was left and these babies weren't far away.
They say that one of the baby's bodies is being exhumed so that DNA samples can be taken. The officers are here because they want to take a saliva swap from Jess. They need her DNA because they want to rule out any connection to Jennifer. I'm Lucy Greenwell, and from Tortoise Investigates and The Observer, this is Foundling. Episode 6, Lost.
So I'd always kind of found it difficult to manage the relationships on that side.
It's been two and a half years since Jess completed her family jigsaw. And in a way, Jess feels like she has three families. There's her own family unit with Jamie and the kids. There's Kim on her father's side. And then there's her birth mother's family too. It's a lot.
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Chapter 4: What is Jess's reaction to the cold case team questioning her?
It was devastating because, again, it's another kick in the teeth of that you're not that important, you're not seen as one of us. It's that... It just takes you back to feeling like you're nothing.
Jess hatches a plan to pay her respects at his funeral. Her dad offers to drive her north and she decides she'll slip in at the back and disappear home before the wake. But then she gets a message saying the funeral is for close family only. She'd missed out on Chloe's funeral and now she's not welcome at this one.
She's always one step removed from these newfound families at these critical emotional moments. Like she's the disruptor, a needless distraction. Look at it from Jennifer's point of view. She's never been in the same room as her long-ago abandoned daughter.
To risk coming face-to-face for the very first time at her own father's funeral, well, that would add a heavy emotional burden to an already difficult day. I can see why Jennifer and her mother wanted to avoid that. But for Jess, this funeral decision is the final straw. She makes a choice to distance herself from the mall.
So I just kind of said, I can't do this anymore. I'm finding managing everything and everyone too much is too painful. And this has really hurt my feelings more than anything. And I wish you all the best and I hope everything goes OK tomorrow. And just kind of signed off from that.
This message, sent the day before the funeral, causes its own hurt, a hardening of attitudes towards Jess. For a while, Jess feels like her life is a bit simpler again, without them all. No more visits, no more birthday cards, no more diplomatically dividing her time between different family members. But then, a few months later, we start recording this podcast.
So this was after I had written to various people, inviting them to tell their side of the story or to contribute to this podcast.
Like I'm some sort of enemy and I'm up against them and it's just not the truth at all. Listen to what this is actually about. It's not putting shade on them as a family. It's just telling my story and getting their side of the story. So what happened? You just went on one more. What did you notice first? I noticed that Rachel had defended me. Rachel is her aunt, Jennifer's sister.
I looked on her profile and I was like, oh, I'm not friends with her anymore. What on earth's happened here? And then I thought, oh, surely not. So then I checked the rest of them and lo and behold, I think Sam had then got rid of me off Instagram. And then... The other sibling from Jennifer, who I'd never met, she'd got rid of me.
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Chapter 5: How does Jess feel about her complicated family relationships?
Janet holds her sign up in front of the camera and she posts the photo on Facebook. Within days, Janet's meeting Joanne Hauser. A friend videos their meeting. It's emotional. Janet's so grateful for the fragments Joanne remembers about that day. But Joanne's got no idea about who Janet's mother might be. A year later, Janet does what Jess did, a DNA test.
And just like Jess, up pings a close DNA match. It's a brother, Dean. And it turns out he's also a foundling. But that's not all. A third sibling crops up shortly afterwards, also a foundling. So, three babies, same mother, all abandoned within hours of their births.
When the three of them appear on TV, a professional genealogist gets in touch and offers to help, the same way Michelle did with Jess's DNA results. She pieces together the wider family jigsaw and delivers extraordinary news that Joanne Hauser, the woman who found Janet, is either the three siblings' aunt or their mother.
in her house.
Janet and her adoptive mother look back at a video her friend filmed, footage of the moment she met the woman who had found her.
And my mom rewatched the video and she goes, that's your mom.
That's exactly what my mom does.
She said, there's no way that that woman can't be your mother. Look at how she's looking at you. Look at how she's holding you and just soaking everything in about you. I was like, hey, just come clean.
This is where the similarities end. I've been living with the guilt for so long. The big reveal for Janet happens in front of the cameras and it later goes out on a popular American TV show.
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Chapter 6: What emotional challenges does Jess face regarding her birth mother?
When I found out about the second baby, I filled in the gaps myself. I imagined someone permanently weakened by it all, worn down, shuffling through a quiet, damaged life. But that's not what Jennifer's life looks like, from the outside at least. Her internal life, whether there's regret or shame, whether she thinks about Jess, we can't know.
Those who are close to her, they say if she does feel these things, it's not obvious. Despite repeated efforts to talk to her, she doesn't want to take part. The cold case officers, who turned up on Jess's doorstep in the autumn, get back in touch with her a few weeks later. There's no match with her DNA. The exhumed baby and Jennifer aren't connected.
It was always a far-fetched idea that a crime from 1984 would have anything to do with Jennifer. She would have been just 15 at the time, at school in another part of the country. But whenever I think about those officers turning up on Jess's doorstep, I think about how it makes the chance of Jennifer ever speaking freely even more remote.
In America, DNA is being used to prosecute mothers who have abandoned their babies in some instances decades ago. I do wonder, though, if this makes it harder to reach the truth or to understand why it happens. I wanted to paint a portrait of a human being. I wanted to understand Jennifer, but the truth is, she didn't want to be found.
A sociologist who studied child abandonment tells me that mothers who leave their children find it almost impossible to talk about. I've spent a lot of time looking for other mothers' tales of child abandonment, but there are vanishingly few out there. This is one of the most subversive human behaviours. And it's as if the explanation for it is unprintable, unspeakable.
Jess's husband Jamie said something to her the other day. He said that she hasn't been the same person since her search for answers began. The joy has gone from her, he said. So now she wants to find her way back to her old self, to look to the future.
I can't see a world where things would shift for now. You can never say never. My three kids, that is ultimately their biological grandmother. And I'd have to jump that hurdle if it came to it, like if they wanted to meet her or something.
Jess is still scared of coming face to face with Jennifer. What would you be worried about saying in the room to her, like forgiving her?
Yeah, and poo-pooing it and just going, yeah, it's okay. I forgive you. I love you. It's okay. Let's hug it out. Like, I don't want to do that because it's not that I don't forgive you. I just don't want any part of that. And what you done was wrong. That's the end of it.
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