Chapter 1: What misconceptions exist about cannabis and brain health?
The missing link between scientific journals and relationship counseling. The Last Show with David Cooper. For years now, we've been told cannabis is bad for your brain, that it fries it. But in a new study looking at one psychiatric condition, bipolar disorder, researchers found that cannabis might actually sharpen people's decision-making.
It's kind of a provocative finding, and we're going to dig into it with one of those researchers, Jared Young, a psychiatry professor at the University of California, San Diego. Jared, thanks for being on the show. Thank you very much for having me, dude.
Common wisdom, my parents drilling it into my head as a kid, is that cannabis just scrambles your brain, fries it, makes you a poor decision maker. What made you want to kind of attack that assumption, especially in the case of bipolar disorder?
Yeah, we all remember those commercials.
Chapter 2: How is cannabis associated with decision-making in bipolar disorder?
And similarly, I grew up in a household that felt the same. In terms of bipolar disorder, if you know about bipolar disorder, people live with bipolar disorder and they switch from extremes to having mania episodes, depressed episodes, something in between. But they're technically not in either episode, but they're not quite the same. And they could show cognitive deficits. And
In fact, people with bipolar disorder, their lives are difficult. We really do need new treatments for them and help them out. To the point where the current treatments, people will attempt, like one in three people with bipolar disorder attempt suicide. Wow. And this is really why we get into it.
Chapter 3: What is the Iowa gambling task and how is it used in research?
We're trying to develop treatments. And one thing we noticed... And getting into some of the studies that we've been doing is that people with bipolar disorder use cannabis at much higher rates than the healthy general population. And that's interesting because if it's really bad for you, why are they using it so much? Are they trying to self-medicate?
And in fact, many of them report attempts and it helps them. It helps slow them down. It helps them think more clearly rather than racing through and trying to be so goal-oriented and high energy. This kind of sets them back a bit. And that's why they self-report.
Chapter 4: How do decision-making patterns differ in bipolar disorder?
But in science, we listen to self-reports, but we have to follow up with studies to try and understand it. And knowing the fact that cannabis can cause cognitive problems for healthy participants...
We're like, well, if it's actually causing problems for people with bipolar disorder, we want to identify that too and give people warnings since cannabis is being legalized across the US, fully legal in Canada and other places. So we wanted to understand it better.
So what is this Iowa gambling task? I guess that's the way that you actually checked what kind of decision-making effects cannabis might have on someone.
Yeah, the Iowa gambling task is great. It's a test. It's called gambling task developed in Iowa.
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Chapter 5: What findings suggest cannabis may improve decision-making in bipolar patients?
Yeah, I know. It's been around for about 30 years, actually. And so it's a real world gambling style where we basically provide the participant with four options. And each of those options either have high rewards or low rewards. And so normally you would go for the higher rewards early on and try and maximize your output.
And if you go for the higher awards, though, you also get, at some point in time, you'll get high levels of punishment. We'll take points away from you. And if you go for the lower awards, the levels of punishment are much lower.
So even within 10 trials, what we refer to as each step is a trial, even within 10 trials, you'll actually gain more for going to lower awards and you'll lose more going for the higher awards. So people go for the higher awards and then they start learning and they're like, oh, crap, I'm going to go for the lower, you know, and they switch to going for the lower awards generally.
Chapter 6: What role does dopamine play in decision-making related to cannabis use?
People with bipolar disorder, on the other hand, don't tend to do that. They tend to be insensitive to punishment and really reduce sensitivity to the lower water. So it's an attempt to try and get real world decision making to maximize outcomes for someone. And so it's kind of gets at that and it's got high relevance. It's correlated with suicidality.
So we use that because it has such relevance to real world decision making.
And it would seem, and correct me if I'm wrong here, that cannabis might impair decision-making in healthy people, but possibly make it better in bipolar people in this test?
Yeah, so absolutely. That's exactly what we found.
Chapter 7: Is there a recommended dosage of cannabis for positive effects?
And so the healthy people were performing the task. And if you look at the net difference, did they choose the safe side more? And generally healthy people chose the safe side more. Not all of them, but generally they did. People that don't use cannabis, people that use cannabis that were healthy, they performed worse. They ended up choosing the risky side more, statistically significantly worse.
And that's not surprising. People have shown that before. But if we switch to people with bipolar disorder, those that don't use cannabis had significantly worse performance, even in a euthymic quote unquote normal state.
Chapter 8: How can we better understand cannabis use in different psychiatric conditions?
And so this has been seen before, but sometimes not so much. But when we separated it out for those that don't use cannabis to those that do use cannabis, suddenly those people with bipolar disorder using cannabis actually performed far better than those that didn't. And they actually performed at levels comparable to those that were healthy people that didn't use cannabis. It's remarkable.
I'm curious about the possible mechanism here. Does it have something to do with dopamine? Does it have to do with something like you said earlier about cannabis kind of quieting the brain when one is prone to like extremes of mania and depression and that kind of thing? What could be a mechanism here for this?
Yeah, when we think of racing thoughts, pressured speech, we think of high speed, high tempo. And that can really come from a variety of sources. But dopamine is one of them. And it's actually one of our primary hypotheses. One of the reasons we do Iowa gambling tasks, we can actually do cross-species work. So we can actually get at neuromechanics by using the exact same task.
So thanks to Catherine Winstanley at UBC, we developed an Iowa gambling task for use with mice. And we can recreate that. And we have mice that have a hyper dopaminergic activity. So lots of dopamine. And they are worse at the task in the same way that people with bipolar disorder are. So we think there's a dopamine mechanism there. And a lot of dopamine can lead to
If you give THC to animals, it can actually reduce dopamine levels in specific regions. And so we think there's something about the endocannabinoid system, that's the system cannabis works on, that leads to interacting with that dopamine. And basically, we kind of think it's putting a brake on that dopamine release. And it's like, whoa, there, whoa, there. And it's actually slowing them down.
And that's good for people with bipolar disorder, not necessarily good for healthy participants who are already at that level.
I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder type 2. I just think it's important to normalize this stuff and talk about it. But I shouldn't just run to the dispensary and grab, you know, pounds of cannabis and smoke it. The moderate use here, I think, is what's important, not heavy use.
Is there kind of like a Goldilocks zone for how much I should consume to actually get these positive decision-making effects?
So I'm so glad you brought that up. This study is definitely not recommending run out and buy a lot. Actually, in fact, in our analyses, we showed that people that are heavy users and I'm not going to get into detail, but you can have a look at the paper. But heavy users that use a lot of cannabis actually don't see these benefits that have bipolar disorder. We're talking about moderate use.
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