Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The Last Show with David Cooper, where we utilize nonlinear reverse inverse backward thinking protocols. It sounds like this. If you need medication for little Snowball, little Foo Foo, little Fluffy, your little pet, and it's expensive, you've got options, and some of them vets don't like. We're here with Dr. Cliff Redford. It is Vet Talk. It is Pet Talk.
Check out Cliff's podcast, Vet Life, wherever podcasts are sold, usually for free because they don't cost money. Cliff, welcome to the show. This is going to be a good one, man. A barn burner. I am struggling to see the controversy in pharmacies in some places, including Ontario, where you live, selling pet prescriptions. Why would that even be a problem? Maybe because I'm not a veterinarian.
I failed to see the controversy, but set it up for me.
Chapter 2: What are the implications of pharmacies filling pet prescriptions?
Well, I actually don't think there's much of a controversy, but it's important that people know about this. And there are some veterinarians that are complaining about it, and I'm not on their side, David. I'm on the side of the pet owner. Ooh. I know. So this story has actually been ongoing back and forth. It occasionally pokes its head for the last decade. And it's about how you can get...
pet prescriptions from places other than your veterinarian. And Ontario pharmacies like, you know, regular human pharmacies are catering to pet owners more and more. So I'm able to write a prescription. to any sort of human pharmacy and Fluffy Cooper, Tomato Cooper needs his- Tomato Keg. Tomato Keg. Needs his dermatitis medication and I can write those prescriptions.
And the pharmacists are saying this can reduce costs. Absolutely. They can buy in bulk. Their overhead's a lot lower, so they're able to still make a profit and sell some of these medications that are much cheaper, especially if they're also human medications, which a lot of dog and cat medications are human medications as well or vice versa.
Wait, are human pharmacies stocking pet-only medications, popular ones?
Um, they're starting to, yes. The problem is, is so back in the day, you know, five years ago, 10 years ago, veterinarian, uh, uh, pharmaceutical companies making veterinarian medications sort of had this wink, wink, nudge, nudge exclusivity with just veterinarians, which is not appropriate. It is against normal, uh, capitalism, let's say normal competition. Um,
But the pharmacists got word of this. They started to push their governments as they should. The governments have started talking to the pharmaceutical companies saying, you can't just sell this to veterinarians. That's a monopoly. That's not correct. So there are going to be some animal only products available at pharmacies.
But the issue is, so pharmacists are saying, yeah, the pet owners can save money. Absolutely. And that's important. Now, some veterinarians are saying this is a big problem. There's going to be such huge risks that the animals are going to be in danger.
And one of the things they talk about is there's a big difference in the metabolism of drugs between cats, dogs, and people, and that the animal's physiology is different than people. And the pharmacists haven't been trained to understand that. But my argument is, well, the pharmacist isn't the one prescribing the drug. I'm prescribing the drug.
And if I accidentally write on the prescription prednisone for cats instead of prednisolone for cats, prednisone is better for dogs. It's not the pharmacist's job to say, I think Dr. Redford
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Chapter 3: What role do veterinarians play in pet prescription controversies?
Last but not least, copper. Copper. So, I mean, pennies. Pennies are bad doubly. Now, copper generally, if an animal has copper toxicity, there are certain marine paints, like for boats and that, that contain copper. But then also certain diets, unfortunately, are elevated in copper because they just, certain food companies don't check. And if a dog eats that high
high copper diet for a long time or feasts on food for other animals, the copper ends up having like a storage copper disorder where it builds up in the liver and causes liver toxicity and liver dysfunction. So everyone knows about, you know, the common chocolates and raisins and certain plants, but Heavy metal, not the music, but the actual chemicals are dangerous for pets.
We are about to have a lot of fun.
Get your thinking caps on. It is pet trivia time or tet trivia time. I'm just trying to keep the alliteration going. Yeah, you're doing a good job. Okay. You've got some great petty questions because you're a petty guy.
Get it? You're petty?
You're petty because you like pets? Get it now. Okay, anyone.
All righty. We're here all week. Eat the tofu veal. All right. So here's some true or false questions and the listeners can play along. True or false, David? Pet ingestion of medications is the number one cause of poisonings in pets.
Well, I want to just say true because it seems like a kind of a gotcha fact. My gut is false, but it seems like one of those educational gotcha facts. So I'm going to vote true on this one.
It is true, David. It is true. More than 50% of all pet poisons are due to things like prescription medications, vitamin supplements. Over-the-counter medication like acetaminophen, which does not cause- Eating people stuff, basically. Eating people stuff. Ibuprofen, that sort of thing. It causes all kinds of red blood cell destruction. Advil is covered in that delicious sugar coating.
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Chapter 4: How can pet owners save money on medications?
We have to induce vomiting in the dog. IV fluids, charcoal, some blood tests. But if you do it quickly enough, they're going to do great. But yeah, you don't want to wait.
No grapes in dogs, even if you're lucky, if your dog is a genetic variant mutant superhero and can handle them. Dr. Cliff Redford, he's got a great podcast. It's called Vet Life. Check it out. Cliff, it's been a joy having you on the show, as ever. Thank you, David.
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