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The Last Show with David Cooper

Lava Tubes on Venus

14 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.837 - 26.182 David Cooper

This is your nightly dose of chaos, confession, and questionable life choices. The Last Show with David Cooper. Some people are from Mars. Some people are from Venus. There, I made the name of that book, Gender Neutral. Let's go to the surface of Venus where lava tubes have been discovered. What does this mean? Why should we be excited about it?

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26.202 - 38.015 David Cooper

That's what we're going to chat about here with astrophysicist and professor at the University of Edinburgh and author of Searching for Extraterrestrial Life, an Audible original at audible.com. Our name is Sarah Rugheimer. Sarah, welcome to the show.

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38.396 - 39.437 Sarah Rugheimer

Thanks for having me.

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39.417 - 58.658 David Cooper

I remember as a kid seeing photos of that like Soviet probe that went to Venus in the early 80s, those like yellowy photographs. I think there was only two or three and just my mind being blown thinking that's a photograph of a surface of another planet. What gets you excited about Venus and also why is the surface so wild?

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58.992 - 73.911 Sarah Rugheimer

Yeah, so the Venera probes landed on Venus. Soviets are the only ones who have landed on Venus. And I think it's crazy just to even think about how difficult that is. Venus is really hell on Earth or hell on Venus, shall we say.

Chapter 2: What recent discovery about Venus is discussed?

73.951 - 101.188 Sarah Rugheimer

The surface temperature is 460 some degrees Celsius over 860 degrees Fahrenheit below. The pressures are 90 bars, so like 90 times what Earth is. So getting that probe to the surface at all and then having it function at all was a major engineering feat, you know, and it lasted, you know, the first couple, I think, lasted tens of minutes and the last one lasted, you know, a little over two hours.

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102.169 - 114.95 Sarah Rugheimer

And then we got these photos of what is a desolate, desolate planet that we would never want to go to. And I think, you know, in the early days of our imagination, people thought Venus might be another Earth.

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Chapter 3: Why are lava tubes on Venus significant?

115.07 - 135.449 Sarah Rugheimer

It might be beautiful. It might have civilizations on it, like the early science fiction writers, because in many ways, Venus is very similar to Earth. It's the same size, same mass. It's a little closer to the sun, but they didn't really understand that that would cause its temperature to be so hot. through a runaway greenhouse effect, which is what we're hoping to avoid.

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135.489 - 144.653 David Cooper

Yeah, it's kind of a cautionary tale, like the greenhouse gas effect on Earth that causes warming and climate change. It's like on steroids on Venus.

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144.683 - 155.915 Sarah Rugheimer

the real deal. It's a real deal. And we actually think that Venus was habitable in its early surface, our early life. So even up to a billion years ago, we think that Venus was maybe habitable, had oceans.

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156.015 - 174.555 Sarah Rugheimer

And indeed, then at some point, that additional heat that comes from the greenhouse effect and from our sun caused all of the water to boil off and huge amounts of CO2 to be released from the surface. And now we have this really hellish place to go that we can barely visit.

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174.535 - 181.879 David Cooper

So tell me about these lava tubes or lava tubes. I never know how to say that word. It's not uncommon for a planet to have something like that.

182.028 - 208.913 Sarah Rugheimer

Yeah. So Venus, like Earth, you know, has volcanism on it. And we know this because of these surveys that have been done of Venus radio maps of the surface. It's a very young surface. So Mars is very old. We see lots of cratering. We think some of these craters, the amount of craters similar to our moon, it's maybe the surface is for over four billion years old, both the moon and Mars.

208.893 - 230.504 Sarah Rugheimer

But Venus is different. It seems like Venus underwent this catastrophic resurfacing maybe half a billion years ago, which means that volcanism is still active on the planet and it erased a lot of the craters. And so how we are able to date solar system bodies is by kind of the number of craters. You know, Earth doesn't have a lot of craters on the surface, right?

230.564 - 237.194 Sarah Rugheimer

We have tectonics that erase that record. And same with Venus. Venus has a very young surface.

Chapter 4: What challenges did early probes face on Venus?

237.515 - 242.682 Sarah Rugheimer

So it means volcanism is active. And now we have evidence of lava tubes is the short of it.

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242.803 - 249.092 David Cooper

We've never seen a volcanic eruption on Venus, to your knowledge. I mean, if we keep pointing our cameras there, maybe we'll see a big boom. I don't know.

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249.258 - 272.286 Sarah Rugheimer

I mean, it seems to be more this episodic nature on Venus. So because Venus doesn't have oceans anymore, the tectonic activity is different. And so it seems to be kind of this catastrophic resurfacing events that happen simultaneously. And that means the volcanism is different, but it's still fundamentally the same. You have this magma and you can form these magma tubes, these lava tubes.

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272.767 - 283.922 Sarah Rugheimer

And this lava tube is pretty big. I mean, it's like a kilometer in diameter or something. It's a very large thing, maybe running 45 kilometers. So it's much bigger than lava tubes on Earth as well.

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283.902 - 302.367 David Cooper

Let's jump to our next space story, Sarah, because this one is super important, very scientific. Now, I'm going to go on a little tangent. I would never admit on the air that my girlfriend at 33 years old still sleeps with a beanie baby stuffy because, of course, she does not. No. And now back to space. Let's talk about this upcoming mission to the ISS, the International Space Station.

302.927 - 313.842 David Cooper

One of the astronauts going up is bringing a very special keepsake, a small stuffed rabbit, stuffed animal. What do you make of this? Would you bring a stuffy up to space?

314.125 - 335.582 Sarah Rugheimer

Well, I mean, I think her reasons are solid. So she has a three-year-old daughter and that daughter also has this stuffed rabbit and she's bringing this stuffed bunny up to space so that they can connect, you know, because she's going to be gone what was like eight months or something. And this space bunny can have little adventures that she can send photos and stories to her daughter.

335.722 - 338.226 Sarah Rugheimer

And I think that's really sweet. Yeah.

338.206 - 347.441 David Cooper

Yeah, we definitely have kids. We don't have kids. We have a cat, though. So but there's no good reason she sleeps with that stuffy. So she doesn't is what I'm saying. I don't have to share a bed with a stuffy.

Chapter 5: How does Venus's surface compare to Earth's?

421.335 - 425.702 Sarah Rugheimer

And that would be some sort of psychedelic to see Earth from.

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427.304 - 431.551 David Cooper

This is Sarah After Dark. This is for parody purposes. You would never do anything illegal.

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431.791 - 439.583 Sarah Rugheimer

I would never do that. I would I would be tempted. I would never. Of course, I would never do anything like that, just as I also don't sleep with a beanie baby.

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439.944 - 441.806 David Cooper

Oh, I guess it's not so unusual.

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442.127 - 442.227

Yeah.

443.793 - 453.667 Sarah Rugheimer

But no, I don't know. I bring out like I would probably bring some keepsakes from my family. I mean, I know I guess you have like digital photos, but I think I'd want a physical photo.

453.687 - 468.568 David Cooper

Yeah, like a Polaroid or something. Yeah. If they let me bring food, I would bring like frozen spaghetti pomodoro. I know that's so plain, but I know astronauts in space really crave like fresh home cooked meals. Oh, really? I don't think they let you bring a frozen dinner, but maybe they would if they did. That's what I would bring.

468.667 - 471.351 Sarah Rugheimer

I love freeze-dried raspberries and strawberries.

471.491 - 472.392 David Cooper

You do great in space.

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