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Chapter 1: What is postpartum depression and how is it diagnosed?
Postpartum depression can't be diagnosed until six weeks postpartum. It doesn't necessarily mean sitting around crying. It can manifest as anxiety, fear of being alone with the baby, or so fear of your person leaving the house and leaving you alone with the baby. In offering support during this time, you need to try and make it as easy on the person as possible.
Jordi Salander is a trusted, experienced, and compassionate postpartum expert and maternal wellness advocate, best known as the founder of Postpartum Expert, where she helps mothers through postpartum recovery and healing. Postpartum support matters. We just don't do a good job. We don't provide practical support. Everyone who wants to come see the baby, come help. Do something practical for her.
And we don't even separate puppies from their mothers for eight weeks. Why are we separating women from their babies at six? Yeah.
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Chapter 2: How does Jodi Hillebrand define postpartum support?
Joining me today is Jodi. What was your last name again, Jodi? Steelander. I wanted you to say that to confirm because that's quite the last name. Jodi, you've been founder of?
Postpartum Expert is the umbrella brand for a few different of my companies, but that is what we're doing.
Right on, Jodi. Welcome to Inside Success. You just finished filming your episode for Women in Power. How do you feel? I'm glad it's over.
I still feel a little bummed. No, I feel good. I shared a lot, and I'm not used to sharing my personal story, but it feels good to put it out there. And my purpose in sharing is that if it resonates with somebody, then... Great. You know, it'll resonate with who it needs to and people who need to receive it will receive the message.
Right on. When does your message begin or when did you start receiving your message?
So my journey into postpartum care started after the birth of my first child. When I realized there's a lot of emphasis put on childbirth education and birth and Literally nothing for when postpartum happens. And the postpartum period is actually the first 12 months after a baby is born. So that's a lot longer than people tend to think. Sure.
So when I found out that there was little support and little education and things like that, it really inspired me to want to do more.
What is—what's happening today when a child is born? What immediately happens? Is it a peaceful process? Is it a grueling process for the child, for the parent? Like, it doesn't seem very pleasant, does it? Let's start there. This is quite the experience. Before we get into the post-punctual— I was just like— I apologize because I'm not a father, so I haven't experienced this myself.
But I would like to, from what I experienced, my friends have had their families, and they've always got this awful story of something happening, and it wasn't great, and then there is the lingering months afterwards. Can you walk us through why this happens, why it's so common, and why you're here to do what you do to inform us, to educate us? Well, how much time do we have?
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Chapter 3: What inspired Jodi to start her journey in postpartum care?
Their hospitals are staffed around the clock with surgeons and anesthesiologists. Sure. Right? So they're always on staff. So when a midwife needs to bring the woman in for intervention in a hospital, everybody's there, they're on, they're ready, they know what they're doing, and they have the best maternal and infant mortality rates.
Wow. So... That's my little speech. What is your process like? How do folks find you? What's the journey to discovering you and what you do?
So when I started, the whole thing started back when my second baby was born. I had learned about placenta encapsulation from an acupuncturist and practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine. So I learned that in traditional Chinese medicine, you can take the placenta and do a process on it. You end up with capsules. It's a supplement.
You take that supplement postpartum for a couple of weeks and it helps level everything out. It helps you have a better and faster postpartum recovery. So when I had my second baby, I did it. And I didn't tell anybody what I was doing because it was weird and taboo. Sure. But my midwife, when she did my postpartum check, even noticed how fast I was recovering physically. And I felt great. Right.
So my thing was just to tell her, hey, you know, I tried this and worked, you know. Back then, nobody's heard of it. So I didn't have any first time moms have any interest because they're like, I think I'm going to take my chances. Yeah. But if a woman had a story like mine where she struggled postpartum because I had a hard time after my first baby was born.
You're kind of willing to try anything not to feel that way again. And so I would have women who are like, hey, I want the capsules. I want the benefit.
Gotcha.
I don't want to touch my placenta. Wow. Right. So I was like, well, I'll do it for you. And just kind of off the cuff. And then I was like, wait, what did... What? So I did the first one and it was amazing. And then she told her friend and her friend. And so it was woman after woman after woman having a good experience with these capsules and really swearing that they helped them.
And so that's when I started placentabenefits.info. Just wanted to share the information. And then that led to hospital advocacy because we had situations where hospitals refusing to release placentas. And then that led to research out of UNLV. And I've been doing this 20 years. 20 years? 20 years. That baby is about to turn 20 in a couple of weeks.
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Chapter 4: What challenges did Jodi face in advocating for postpartum care?
It can be just a sense of complete overwhelm. Inability to make decisions. Like, what do you want? Like, you can't think clearly. Right. Like, I don't know what I want. Wow. And so it's in offering support during this time, you need to try and make it as easy on the person as as possible. So. Like, if people are going to come over and see the baby, do a load of laundry.
Get the dishes out of the sink. You know? I mean, help her out. Because I can't tell you how many times I go into the home, and she's up. The three other kids are running around. She's got the baby on her hip. I swear to God, there's one time, I was sitting there playing video games. Both times I was over. I'm like, man, get off the couch and help her. Like... It's wild to me.
And, you know, another time the mother and the partner were there and she comes out lugging a whole thing of laundry. I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, I'm going to the laundromat because we need... What does your mom know? Where's the tribe? Women are offered no support. And a lot of times it's like, oh, I have six weeks off.
Okay, we don't even separate puppies from their mothers for eight weeks. Why are we separating women from their babies at six? Yeah. It's ridiculous. Wow. So there's a lot of stress and tension. And then, yeah, you have this baby and you have sometimes there's attachment stuff going on. But a lot of times you had never felt a love before. like this before. It's overwhelming.
You want to keep them safe. You want to do everything right. Everything has to be perfect, right? And a lot of times, if you're struggling, we as women tend to internalize that. We don't look for an external source, like, maybe I don't have support. It's, why can't I handle this? I'm not doing a good enough job, right? And mom guilt is a real thing, right? I feel guilty for everything.
So in seeing this and knowing this, then I do offer placenta encapsulation and I have the placenta encapsulation specialist training course. Wow. Because I want... Other women to have a business. You know, we want to have a business.
We want to have an income stream and we want to do something where we can set our own hours and we can be there for our kids and, you know, not be away for eight hours or 10 hours a day. Entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs. Right. So I do offer the training course because then you can learn how to do it. You can help families. But I also provide a variety of support.
A lot of people have heard about birth doulas, right? A doula where they go in and they're with the woman. Doula literally means with woman. And they're with the woman during the labor and delivery. Sorry. Sorry. But there's a postpartum doula. So a postpartum doula comes in and helps, offers practical support.
So I describe it as being like your favorite auntie who actually knows what's going on. Right, right. I walk into the home and I can see immediately, right, what needs to happen here to help her feel safe, secure, calm, right? If there's chaos, where's the chaos? Like, let's tackle this, right? So I do all kinds of things for families. I do meal prep.
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