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Chapter 1: What sparked the discussion about the Sebastian Rogers case?
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Lore Lads, the official podcast of the Lore Lodge. We have a pretty special show for you guys tonight. A couple of weeks ago over on Twitter, after we did one of our Sebastian Rogers live streams, I got into a bit of an interaction with Steve Fisher here, who's a private investigator working on the case.
It was a little bit tense, but I think we've gotten to a good spot where we agree we're doing this for the right reasons. We're in the same place mentally, even if we at the moment disagree on what may have happened in this case. So, you know, I think... What I have been wondering this whole time is, you know, where is the other side coming from in this?
And I thought there's no better way to get to the bottom of that, no better way to understand some of the claims that have come out from you, Steve, than to sit here and have you on the show to ask you. So if you'd like to introduce yourself, what are your credentials and how did you get into this line of work?
Chapter 2: What are Steve Fischer's credentials as a private investigator?
So... Originally, I thought my career path was going to be aviation, and it oddly started through that. I started, I got my commercial pilot's license, and I was building time. One of the jobs I got as an apprentice was with the state of Texas, and Um, their aircraft fleet and 1 of them being 1 department being the attorney general's office and.
Missing persons ran through there and there would be searches that would be conducted that using the state aircraft and. And so that was my 1st kind of introduction to it. And then from there, I went to a as a fixed wing pilot to a private team in Texas that. This is this 20. Four years ago, 25 years ago. So this is before thermal drones and whatnot.
So we were mainly looking for like downed aircraft or, you know, people that were lost in really remote areas using FLIR and whatnot. And so I always have stayed with search and rescue. And I started, you know, search and rescue involves a. my degree of investigation, right?
It has to usually, you have investigators working with you because it's usually you're a branch, you're an extension for that search of law enforcement. And from there, it just kind of, it went into where I became in-house investigator for a law firm that specialized in family law. So there was,
custodial interference cases, you know, which are essentially, you know, these are dealing with wealthier cases and stuff and kind of trickier situations. And from there, then I went ahead and decided to get my PI license just because there is a fine line when you're working search and rescue as to where you cross over into, you know, actually working as an investigator.
So that's kind of where it evolved from.
Gotcha. So it was kind of the logical next step. You were getting more directly involved, trying to make a career out of this.
Well, I never intended to be honest with you. I never intended the investigation to be a full-time career. There was other, other careers I've had other careers I love. And I, to be honest with you, I miss, but this just has become, there hasn't been any gaps. I would, you know, I mean, I'm just, a lot of people know this already. I, you know, I,
I'm a fashion photographer, and I've done well in that industry. But I haven't taken any jobs in the last two or three years. I haven't shot for any magazines or anything because I've just been overwhelmed with this. And so I don't know if this is like a permanent thing or not. It was never meant to be. Just because of success I've had that's been publicized, it tends to be one case after another.
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Chapter 3: What led to Steve Fischer getting involved in the Sebastian Rogers case?
All right. So, well, when you say was this one of like there's you know, there will be, you know, like a. I'm trying to think of an exact example, but you've got organizations like United Cajun Navy, for example, that come in and they get involved. They might be requested by law enforcement, but they're not actually a law enforcement organization.
Were the people you were talking to, were they like such and such county search and rescue organizations?
Yeah, they were with the official search rescue. No, United Cajun Navy, just to be clear, I have nothing to do with.
Oh, I know you don't have anything. I was just trying to go for example of like a private organization versus a county one.
Yeah, and I don't want to, you know, like I don't want to build too much on that point because there's not –
much to it besides there was people like reaching out i think to various experts i mean there's other large search and rescue um operators around the country that have commented on this case on twitter and stuff like that and i think they interact with those when it gets when it gets to be you know there's a lot a lot of teams involved in this i mean and um when it gets to be that big of an effort and there's just nothing like literally
nothing to show for it you know it's it's you start reaching out to other other teams because all of our You know, those models that we make, we build them on lost person behavior models. Those are all made from these algorithms through that.
It's a program that went through the Department of Justice, just like NCMEC is a division of them, that are based on all the old search and rescue, all the old missions going back as far as you can go, put into these database, all these variables. And now we have the ability to go in and key in you know, Hey, we have a 15 year old with autism.
He's in this environment and this temperature, um, you know, um, this is this mental mindset, you know, it'll give us these unbelievably accurate, um, uh, models, you know, and, and, uh, and, and it'll show that it'll give us 25, 50 and 75%, um, probability lines, you know, uh, probability of detection and what those are. And in his case, I think it was, uh,
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Chapter 4: What were the key findings from the surveillance footage?
Chapter 5: What role do canines play in the search for Sebastian Rogers?
Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, like any question about somebody entering or exiting the home. Yeah, it should be the TBI answered by that.
Oh, 100 percent. No, they have all that for sure. Now, I will say, too, that just because they have the footage that would show the vendor does not mean that. with the lights off in the house that you would see the, the front door open. It is incredibly dark. This is not a night vision camera. No, no, no. Well, it's set to auto, it was set to auto mode.
So it, it, it wasn't detecting to what it was. It's set up for their front porch. Okay. And they have, they have lights like planter lights on their porch. I'm talking about the house across, you know, what's shooting from. So it's lighting for that. It's not caring really about the Proudfoot's home. Right. And so the, We tested this.
The family there was nice enough to let us into their house and overtake their system and run tests and stuff. And we had so many people walking out. And FBI did this as well, too, just so you guys know. But just walk out of the house and see if we could detect it on the monitor at all. And we couldn't. It's that dark in the neighborhood.
Got it. So I guess then you'd... To be 100% sure, it sounds like, from what you're saying. And I wish... I mean, would you be able to release any of that footage? Any of those tests? Just put those lines at ease about it? Be like, no, really, you can't tell. Like, even if it's just... A quick video of somebody walking out of home.
Listen, I would have to ask, and I'll just be honest, because the way that people have just trampled over the profits, they don't owe anybody any favors, you know, and they don't care about, like, winning anybody's. At this point, they truly only, whether people leave or not, they just want smashed and found. And so I don't think they're going to give anybody any favors like that.
I'll ask, but I wouldn't count on it, to be honest with you.
Mm-hmm. I mean, I would just put it this way, that, you know, there's a lot of people out there, from what I can tell, the majority of people are looking at them as suspects. Something like that, at the very least, would put people's minds at ease that they're not hiding something here.
That, you know, you really, if you look at that footage, you really can't see anybody coming out of that house, whether somebody is or not. I think that would probably help a lot of people to maybe get past another reason that they're suspicious.
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Chapter 6: How thorough was the initial search of the Proudfoot home?
Yeah, and the reason is, so that was a case too where, so one thing where I really disagree with law enforcement tactics is where they keep everything so quiet, right? And there's a good example for me because everybody thought that it was this super mystery and stuff, but really there was, in that case, I've got hundreds,
hundred and forty five hours of surveillance so from the time Riley left that hotel that night with his fraternity brothers and everything I have footage of him covered in every step he takes in all three of the bars I could watch him I can see exactly what happened once he leaves he tries to get back in it doesn't leave I can see him walking down the streets and then
ultimately at that spot under the bridge a you know there's a um a dash cam of a patrol car that happened to be driving by when he was stepped over the um the barrier of the ledge and um that ledge looks like a flat ledge uh at dark like if you were gonna pee or something it looks like you could step over the thing and pee but it's really this like kind of about 20 degrees slant and it's like
like ice it's just it's dirt and uh i think it's a tragedy well and we can see it happen and it's um so yes um and and but there's it's one of those cases that just baffled me and i put I wrestled with him a long time. I had to meet with several coroners to really get comfortable.
In fact, because his body, listen, I've seen his autopsy photos and everything, and he was not like, I couldn't understand how he didn't have all these broken bones, you know?
It seemed to me, based on the autopsy report, that not only should he have been more battered, but he should have also been more decomposed. Well, I know the water was cold, but it wasn't. He was, he was decomposed though. I mean, the way that they described it was basically that he was almost mint condition. No, no, no, no, no. All right. I can promise you. I can promise you that.
That's frustrating. Cause if the cops just, you know, released the video that you're saying, like, you know, if, if the rest of us could see that, we'd all be like, okay.
I mean, I'll tell you this. Um, It could be, I think it could be had now. I think it is subject to public record. What they're doing in Nashville, this isn't for this case, but in Nashville, for dash cam footage, the public requests are taking like 14 months or something because they have to redact them. So I do think that's from the time the investigation closed. It will come out.
Now, let me tell you, so you know how we were talking about in this case, how we're talking about that figure that we see on the surveillance, but it's like really this opaque, it's kind of that like, You can just see, like, pixels moving type of thing. It's like that. It's not a, you know, there's Riley. But there's another shot where you know he's there that is clear.
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