Chris Proudfoot

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Right.

So yeah,

So yeah,

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know you've been looking forward to this for several weeks.

Yeah, I know you've been looking forward to this for several weeks.

Just checking something.

Just checking something.

Sorry, just confirming whether or not the Seth R. Rogers interview is actually.

Sorry, just confirming whether or not the Seth R. Rogers interview is actually.

Yeah, no, because the first video that we did was basically the summarization of essentially that first 24 hours in prime focus to Sebastian. What happened, where he might have gone, the search effort, not really anything tangential in terms of history of the people involved or theories about what may or may not have happened or what may happen down the line. Exactly.

Yeah, no, because the first video that we did was basically the summarization of essentially that first 24 hours in prime focus to Sebastian. What happened, where he might have gone, the search effort, not really anything tangential in terms of history of the people involved or theories about what may or may not have happened or what may happen down the line. Exactly.

I didn't like it. I did not like what I was seeing. Well, that's the thing. Some of the things that you mentioned here about drama with the families and such like that, a lot of what we did in the subsequent videos and what you highlighted with his history, with Katie's history... at least to my understanding and the way we went to present it, was this wasn't about the drama of the family. No.

I didn't like it. I did not like what I was seeing. Well, that's the thing. Some of the things that you mentioned here about drama with the families and such like that, a lot of what we did in the subsequent videos and what you highlighted with his history, with Katie's history... at least to my understanding and the way we went to present it, was this wasn't about the drama of the family. No.

This was important context to figure out motive of who and why Sebastian was either kidnapped or how he got lost. It's all context to help the search. It's not drama for the sake of drama.

This was important context to figure out motive of who and why Sebastian was either kidnapped or how he got lost. It's all context to help the search. It's not drama for the sake of drama.

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a very good point.

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a very good point.

Plus, when we first messaged them about this, they did say it was going to take some time. Yeah.

Plus, when we first messaged them about this, they did say it was going to take some time. Yeah.

Well, especially with all the hiking we were doing. Yeah. Gatlinburg's options for breakfast, lunch, and dinner do not very well coincide with multi-day hikes.

Well, especially with all the hiking we were doing. Yeah. Gatlinburg's options for breakfast, lunch, and dinner do not very well coincide with multi-day hikes.

Amazing pancakes.

Amazing pancakes.

No, we exclusively shop for Winchester chic.

No, we exclusively shop for Winchester chic.

Yeah, it's a thing entirely out of spite.

Yeah, it's a thing entirely out of spite.

Well, and you pretty explicitly went through the details of the reasons for that in both the original videos that we made and the most recent compilation we just did.

Well, and you pretty explicitly went through the details of the reasons for that in both the original videos that we made and the most recent compilation we just did.

I think that's a case we should revisit in the near future.

I think that's a case we should revisit in the near future.

There's another Netflix one coming out on it?

There's another Netflix one coming out on it?

Give a little context about that with you in the beginning.

Give a little context about that with you in the beginning.

Based on everything you've covered about, we've learned nothing. Well, not just that, but this this seems to very much not be an instance of like the Miami Day shooting for the FBI. It seems like this happened and nobody learned anything. Nobody even tried to learn anything.

Based on everything you've covered about, we've learned nothing. Well, not just that, but this this seems to very much not be an instance of like the Miami Day shooting for the FBI. It seems like this happened and nobody learned anything. Nobody even tried to learn anything.

Yeah, you're not going to do that if you want to successfully do what you need to do.

Yeah, you're not going to do that if you want to successfully do what you need to do.

I gotta say, I'm surprised that you think Jameson actually has the stuff they say they have.

I gotta say, I'm surprised that you think Jameson actually has the stuff they say they have.

what's in the transcript you said that there have not been any mentions of this interview anywhere else there are i just hadn't come across them yet got it oh that's right in kohler's book you said there was one because i was gonna say it was like are we even sure this interview actually happened it did actually that was my thinking too as i saw it i was like i have found nothing about this it happened uh just nobody's ever released the full transcript it's shocking to me considering i get why kohler didn't because yeah he's law enforcement jameson's just a person

what's in the transcript you said that there have not been any mentions of this interview anywhere else there are i just hadn't come across them yet got it oh that's right in kohler's book you said there was one because i was gonna say it was like are we even sure this interview actually happened it did actually that was my thinking too as i saw it i was like i have found nothing about this it happened uh just nobody's ever released the full transcript it's shocking to me considering i get why kohler didn't because yeah he's law enforcement jameson's just a person

But so, when were the first interviews with John and Patsy? April 30th, 1997. So how'd they manage to get an interview with Burke?

But so, when were the first interviews with John and Patsy? April 30th, 1997. So how'd they manage to get an interview with Burke?

I see.

I see.

I don't know. Video title to me sounds like the woman who threw the JonBenet Ramsey case, essentially. I mean, it's just rough title, but sounds like a good video.

I don't know. Video title to me sounds like the woman who threw the JonBenet Ramsey case, essentially. I mean, it's just rough title, but sounds like a good video.

I mean, to me, it sounds like there's two options. One is that, really, there's three, but I consider it unlikely the third option. What do you think they are? The three things I think are likely to happen, the two most likely, are one... We get sued. Yeah, we'll probably get sued no matter what. But the first one being that the information somehow...

I mean, to me, it sounds like there's two options. One is that, really, there's three, but I consider it unlikely the third option. What do you think they are? The three things I think are likely to happen, the two most likely, are one... We get sued. Yeah, we'll probably get sued no matter what. But the first one being that the information somehow...

Is not able to be released because it's too vital.

Is not able to be released because it's too vital.

Yes. It's refused to be released primarily because it probably doesn't exist.

Yes. It's refused to be released primarily because it probably doesn't exist.

Yep. Understandably so.

Yep. Understandably so.

Yep. So I think one is that the information is not released because it doesn't exist. Ah, that's possible. Yep. I think the second option is that it is not released because of some reason. I'm sure it'll be really thorough, but also really BS.

Yep. So I think one is that the information is not released because it doesn't exist. Ah, that's possible. Yep. I think the second option is that it is not released because of some reason. I'm sure it'll be really thorough, but also really BS.

And then the third option is that the information is released and all of the hypotheses and suggestions previously made will be almost immediately recognized to be false or at least heavily misleading.

And then the third option is that the information is released and all of the hypotheses and suggestions previously made will be almost immediately recognized to be false or at least heavily misleading.

On what grounds?

On what grounds?

Yeah. I can't wait till we get to that episode. I'm so excited. Considering how many things that Netflix, I am still looking forward to it.

Yeah. I can't wait till we get to that episode. I'm so excited. Considering how many things that Netflix, I am still looking forward to it.

As a film person, it pains me. It pains me to say that about Netflix, because I know people who've worked there. There are a lot of great people who work there.

As a film person, it pains me. It pains me to say that about Netflix, because I know people who've worked there. There are a lot of great people who work there.

You would think also, do want to point out that it's a little weird to have security cameras inside your house, but not also outside.

You would think also, do want to point out that it's a little weird to have security cameras inside your house, but not also outside.

Well, because people don't do their research or their due diligence.

Well, because people don't do their research or their due diligence.

yeah um well because also like acknowledging when you're wrong only positively affects your career if you figure out that you're wrong and you're saying oh my bad what what do you remember jfk for most i mean other than that one thing other than that one thing uh well there was also the element of him wanting to get rid of the cia and that too all right let me put it this way what was the thing they hammered into our heads about jfk in high school he was catholic

yeah um well because also like acknowledging when you're wrong only positively affects your career if you figure out that you're wrong and you're saying oh my bad what what do you remember jfk for most i mean other than that one thing other than that one thing uh well there was also the element of him wanting to get rid of the cia and that too all right let me put it this way what was the thing they hammered into our heads about jfk in high school he was catholic

I think we'd all have some respect for the guy. I was quail hunting with Chaney. I didn't want to risk it.

I think we'd all have some respect for the guy. I was quail hunting with Chaney. I didn't want to risk it.

Well, nobody has accountability anymore because it affects their bottom line.

Well, nobody has accountability anymore because it affects their bottom line.

Oh, no, no, no. But psychologically, it makes perfect sense. Because the moment she gives away the information, she's no longer special and has no longer any voice in the matter.

Oh, no, no, no. But psychologically, it makes perfect sense. Because the moment she gives away the information, she's no longer special and has no longer any voice in the matter.

I'm convinced from everything that you've said tonight that she has none of the information, that none of it was ever even remotely given to the public, but because it was never given to the public, she's confident in being able to say she has it because no one's ever going to get access to it. That is possible.

I'm convinced from everything that you've said tonight that she has none of the information, that none of it was ever even remotely given to the public, but because it was never given to the public, she's confident in being able to say she has it because no one's ever going to get access to it. That is possible.

Well, that actually directly correlates with the first relevant Super Chat that we got. Oh, what was it? That Super Chat was from Anonymous13 for $1.99 saying, are you guys open to and or allowed to share case files?

Well, that actually directly correlates with the first relevant Super Chat that we got. Oh, what was it? That Super Chat was from Anonymous13 for $1.99 saying, are you guys open to and or allowed to share case files?

Yeah, understandably so. Yeah, Kellen made a point about how unusual it is to have cameras inside but not outside. Weird.

Yeah, understandably so. Yeah, Kellen made a point about how unusual it is to have cameras inside but not outside. Weird.

Every case that we cover that is in relation to the parents or step-parents, whoever is relevant, being suspects versus not, the biggest difference is who they talk to first in the sense of do they talk to and cooperate with the authorities prior to the media, if the media at all, or do they go running to the media first? And specifically, if they do go into the media...

Every case that we cover that is in relation to the parents or step-parents, whoever is relevant, being suspects versus not, the biggest difference is who they talk to first in the sense of do they talk to and cooperate with the authorities prior to the media, if the media at all, or do they go running to the media first? And specifically, if they do go into the media...

how they react to questions, and what kind of information they provide, and what the focus is. Because anytime anyone is cagey about anything, it already begins to be suspicious.

how they react to questions, and what kind of information they provide, and what the focus is. Because anytime anyone is cagey about anything, it already begins to be suspicious.

And anytime people generally seem to not be guilty, whether in the moment or later after the fact we find out it definitely wasn't them, extremely forward, extremely upfront, really nothing held back unless it was something completely irrelevant to the case.

And anytime people generally seem to not be guilty, whether in the moment or later after the fact we find out it definitely wasn't them, extremely forward, extremely upfront, really nothing held back unless it was something completely irrelevant to the case.

And that's a key point. And then fighting it for four months. I think it's also a key point to recognize is like, it's not bad to have lawyers in the room with you because there are great police officers and cops out there and there are not so great police officers and cops out there. And there are people who want a case closed more than they want the right person behind bars. True.

And that's a key point. And then fighting it for four months. I think it's also a key point to recognize is like, it's not bad to have lawyers in the room with you because there are great police officers and cops out there and there are not so great police officers and cops out there. And there are people who want a case closed more than they want the right person behind bars. True.

So especially in those instances, it's important to have your lawyers there so a lazy detective doesn't incriminate you because they don't feel like doing this job. The problem is that depending on how well you know your local area or not, it's almost impossible to know ahead of time what kind of law enforcement you're dealing with. So it's a safe bet to have them there.

So especially in those instances, it's important to have your lawyers there so a lazy detective doesn't incriminate you because they don't feel like doing this job. The problem is that depending on how well you know your local area or not, it's almost impossible to know ahead of time what kind of law enforcement you're dealing with. So it's a safe bet to have them there.

I can pull up your nose.

I can pull up your nose.

Tip of the tongue, the lips. Yeah.

Tip of the tongue, the lips. Yeah.

See you in an interview. Take a look. Isolated, totally isolated for the last five days. Is it this? Well, we were fortunate. Well, we were fortunate from almost the moment that we found the note to be surrounded by friends, our minister, our family, our doctor, a personal friend of mine who is an attorney, and we relied on their guidance almost from that moment and on.

See you in an interview. Take a look. Isolated, totally isolated for the last five days. Is it this? Well, we were fortunate. Well, we were fortunate from almost the moment that we found the note to be surrounded by friends, our minister, our family, our doctor, a personal friend of mine who is an attorney, and we relied on their guidance almost from that moment and on.

My friend suggested it would be foolish not to have knowledgeable counsel to help both us And to help both us and with the investigation. Oh, to both help us and with the investigation. Got it. Okay. Yeah. There's the one right below that. Okay. John saying, not because we're angry, but because we have got to go on. Yeah.

My friend suggested it would be foolish not to have knowledgeable counsel to help both us And to help both us and with the investigation. Oh, to both help us and with the investigation. Got it. Okay. Yeah. There's the one right below that. Okay. John saying, not because we're angry, but because we have got to go on. Yeah.

No, it should be furious, seething, cannot wait to find the monster who did this. Yeah. Like a variety of things much greater than anger.

No, it should be furious, seething, cannot wait to find the monster who did this. Yeah. Like a variety of things much greater than anger.

It is shocking to me just how frequently this pattern comes across in not just with Mm-hmm. That are totally irrelevant to status. Yep. Like church, like giving in charitable circumstances.

It is shocking to me just how frequently this pattern comes across in not just with Mm-hmm. That are totally irrelevant to status. Yep. Like church, like giving in charitable circumstances.

Also, speaking of Seth, a little earlier in the chat, there was a super chat about it. He was asking if we could send over the files that we have on the case.

Also, speaking of Seth, a little earlier in the chat, there was a super chat about it. He was asking if we could send over the files that we have on the case.

Yeah, if you could just send an email at thelorelodge at gmail.com, that way we know where to send it to.

Yeah, if you could just send an email at thelorelodge at gmail.com, that way we know where to send it to.

why i'm suspicious so yeah i will absolutely share that i just i just need to know where to send it nice uh yeah before we go to the next super chat i guess so just wrapping up that element about the ramses in particular and with the interviews what is your overall goal slash hope for the video that we're going to be filming this friday coming out next friday about the interviews

why i'm suspicious so yeah i will absolutely share that i just i just need to know where to send it nice uh yeah before we go to the next super chat i guess so just wrapping up that element about the ramses in particular and with the interviews what is your overall goal slash hope for the video that we're going to be filming this friday coming out next friday about the interviews

All right. Next chat that would be relevant is from Cam Boone, who's been a member for 20 months. Damn, thank you. Thank you very much. Says, true crime podcasts be like content rules everything around me, which has a nice little fun acronym. Get the money dollar dollar bills, y'all.

All right. Next chat that would be relevant is from Cam Boone, who's been a member for 20 months. Damn, thank you. Thank you very much. Says, true crime podcasts be like content rules everything around me, which has a nice little fun acronym. Get the money dollar dollar bills, y'all.

Interesting.

Interesting.

Some like literally directly reached out to us, i.e. the Petito case.

Some like literally directly reached out to us, i.e. the Petito case.

Yeah, understandably so.

Yeah, understandably so.

yeah no that makes sense uh holding karen's for five dollars said hey aiden just asking but what is the likelihood that sebastian was trafficked and if so what would be the potential chances of finding him so i would say him being trafficked is more on the unlikely side uh do i think it's a possibility yes unfortunately

yeah no that makes sense uh holding karen's for five dollars said hey aiden just asking but what is the likelihood that sebastian was trafficked and if so what would be the potential chances of finding him so i would say him being trafficked is more on the unlikely side uh do i think it's a possibility yes unfortunately

Next is for $10 is saying, which case do you think was handled worse? The Ramsey case or the Rogers case?

Next is for $10 is saying, which case do you think was handled worse? The Ramsey case or the Rogers case?

Which is just insane.

Which is just insane.

I would love to see whether it's us sometime down the line or somebody else capable and interested in this case in particular, do a specific deep dive on Alex Hunter. Because we've covered some of the stuff about him, but even just the surface level elements that show his blatant attempts to skirt justice in order to make his life easier is shocking.

I would love to see whether it's us sometime down the line or somebody else capable and interested in this case in particular, do a specific deep dive on Alex Hunter. Because we've covered some of the stuff about him, but even just the surface level elements that show his blatant attempts to skirt justice in order to make his life easier is shocking.

So also sounds like a clear case of obstruction of justice.

So also sounds like a clear case of obstruction of justice.

Oh yeah, I guess most of the conversation we've had about him has been outside of the... You thought the way I laid into Deputy D.A.

Oh yeah, I guess most of the conversation we've had about him has been outside of the... You thought the way I laid into Deputy D.A.

I think it's you then. I think it's you that needs to do the D.A. that derailed the Ramsey case.

I think it's you then. I think it's you that needs to do the D.A. that derailed the Ramsey case.

maybe i'll see i'll see how maybe he deserves it he's an old man i don't know if he's even still alive but we'll see patrick kneely for five dollars is saying conspiracy time what if all these people are being paid off to mislead the true facts of the case by doing misleading true crime podcasts chris probfoot doesn't have that kind of money but we know somebody who does who

maybe i'll see i'll see how maybe he deserves it he's an old man i don't know if he's even still alive but we'll see patrick kneely for five dollars is saying conspiracy time what if all these people are being paid off to mislead the true facts of the case by doing misleading true crime podcasts chris probfoot doesn't have that kind of money but we know somebody who does who

We'll see. I'd be really curious to see a conversation between you and Chris. I mean, obviously us and Chris, but primarily you and Chris in a very similar way as to how the conversation with Austin ended up going.

We'll see. I'd be really curious to see a conversation between you and Chris. I mean, obviously us and Chris, but primarily you and Chris in a very similar way as to how the conversation with Austin ended up going.

Considering the history of this case and who he's talked to and how many people he's talked to, I'd be shocked if he didn't.

Considering the history of this case and who he's talked to and how many people he's talked to, I'd be shocked if he didn't.

I don't think I've ever wanted somebody to come on the show more.

I don't think I've ever wanted somebody to come on the show more.

I was going to say, coming from somebody who owns a truck and knows way too many details about their truck, I can't imagine not even knowing the year.

I was going to say, coming from somebody who owns a truck and knows way too many details about their truck, I can't imagine not even knowing the year.

Everybody keeps saying talk about his truck. I'm talking about his truck, all right. Brother, I have a 1989 F-350. I know way too many things about it. I've done work to it myself. I'm officially at a point where I'm in a position where I'm getting work done to it because it's above my pay grade. Oh, yeah.

Everybody keeps saying talk about his truck. I'm talking about his truck, all right. Brother, I have a 1989 F-350. I know way too many things about it. I've done work to it myself. I'm officially at a point where I'm in a position where I'm getting work done to it because it's above my pay grade. Oh, yeah.

uh, such as, you know, getting a new engine and, and doing a whole turbo swap and making it a four by all these fun things. Uh, primarily because I wanted a truck that is going to be durable, last a long time. That's why I chose the 89 F three 50. You know what?

uh, such as, you know, getting a new engine and, and doing a whole turbo swap and making it a four by all these fun things. Uh, primarily because I wanted a truck that is going to be durable, last a long time. That's why I chose the 89 F three 50. You know what?

People are loving the shade right now. People are losing it. Especially probably considering most of the stuff that we've done about this case in the past has been very professional. Oh, yeah, no.

People are loving the shade right now. People are losing it. Especially probably considering most of the stuff that we've done about this case in the past has been very professional. Oh, yeah, no.

Our resident fed who has given us some wonderful Navy memorabilia. He really has.

Our resident fed who has given us some wonderful Navy memorabilia. He really has.

I'm impressed he got the E6.

I'm impressed he got the E6.

Well, considering what we understand about how he raised Sebastian, he definitely likes pushing buttons. That's true.

Well, considering what we understand about how he raised Sebastian, he definitely likes pushing buttons. That's true.

Nothing wrong with it being a little plus size, but he's an exception.

Nothing wrong with it being a little plus size, but he's an exception.

Yes. He's like the from The Walking Dead, the like blur zombie. Yeah, exactly. Should be that for Halloween. No, Halloween's the one day where he doesn't have to wear a mask. Oh, we do have another one from Cameron Pike for five dollars, which admittedly they say is a little bit of a weird question.

Yes. He's like the from The Walking Dead, the like blur zombie. Yeah, exactly. Should be that for Halloween. No, Halloween's the one day where he doesn't have to wear a mask. Oh, we do have another one from Cameron Pike for five dollars, which admittedly they say is a little bit of a weird question.

Do you have a Bible translation for those of us too dumb for KJV? I know it's unrelated, but weird Bible seems to be in hiatus.

Do you have a Bible translation for those of us too dumb for KJV? I know it's unrelated, but weird Bible seems to be in hiatus.

We have another one that's kind of another case recommendation. It seems like a series of recommendations, actually, from Holding Cairns for $5 saying, have either of you heard about Hinterkaifeck or the two Dutch girls who went missing in Panama or this man who went missing in a Swiss village?

We have another one that's kind of another case recommendation. It seems like a series of recommendations, actually, from Holding Cairns for $5 saying, have either of you heard about Hinterkaifeck or the two Dutch girls who went missing in Panama or this man who went missing in a Swiss village?

I'll tell you in one second. It was H-I-N-T-E-R-K-A-I-F-E-C-K. Hinterkaifeck.

I'll tell you in one second. It was H-I-N-T-E-R-K-A-I-F-E-C-K. Hinterkaifeck.

Weird. That's intense.

Weird. That's intense.

Oh, my nose.

Oh, my nose.

Patrick Mignoli for $5 said, to add some humor, if the Ramseys went to Atlanta, does that mean that the devil went down to Georgia?

Patrick Mignoli for $5 said, to add some humor, if the Ramseys went to Atlanta, does that mean that the devil went down to Georgia?

uh elena suspects that the uh i believe she said the randys but i believe she meant the ramsays uh did it they spent so long dodging the police uh you know why not just do the interview even with your lawyers especially nowadays for me honestly that's the big one that is that is the big one is i get not doing the interviews like without lawyers present why not do them with the lawyers present there's no good reason

uh elena suspects that the uh i believe she said the randys but i believe she meant the ramsays uh did it they spent so long dodging the police uh you know why not just do the interview even with your lawyers especially nowadays for me honestly that's the big one that is that is the big one is i get not doing the interviews like without lawyers present why not do them with the lawyers present there's no good reason

Yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. Ryan, for 8.32, saying we're not angry, we're just disappointed, or we just got to move on, is like saying you're not angry, you're disappointed, almost like talking to a child, which is an interesting point to point out.

Yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. Ryan, for 8.32, saying we're not angry, we're just disappointed, or we just got to move on, is like saying you're not angry, you're disappointed, almost like talking to a child, which is an interesting point to point out.

Oh, I that was referring specifically to Chris. Oh, sorry. I thought that you said Randy Ramsey.

Oh, I that was referring specifically to Chris. Oh, sorry. I thought that you said Randy Ramsey.

Oh, OK.

Oh, OK.

Yeah. No, you're good. Which interesting, though, relevant. I'm curious to see how that pans out. But no, Ryan was specifically saying we're not angry. We just got to move on. Yeah.

Yeah. No, you're good. Which interesting, though, relevant. I'm curious to see how that pans out. But no, Ryan was specifically saying we're not angry. We just got to move on. Yeah.

Oh, I thought that was Chris said. No, no, that was move on.

Oh, I thought that was Chris said. No, no, that was move on.

Somebody had mentioned earlier that Chris also had said, we just want to move on. So that's where I got.

Somebody had mentioned earlier that Chris also had said, we just want to move on. So that's where I got.

Yeah, that's what mixed me up.

Yeah, that's what mixed me up.

uh jamo is asking if we could do a team fortress 2 lore vid at some point for the fun of it maybe it would definitely be lighter than most of the stuff also thank you for everything else you've sent but just by the nature of you know time and all that stuff we can't get to it now but we did read it we did enjoy it thank you and that goes for everybody that we haven't read aloud yet uh it's primarily just we're keeping things as focused as possible oh

uh jamo is asking if we could do a team fortress 2 lore vid at some point for the fun of it maybe it would definitely be lighter than most of the stuff also thank you for everything else you've sent but just by the nature of you know time and all that stuff we can't get to it now but we did read it we did enjoy it thank you and that goes for everybody that we haven't read aloud yet uh it's primarily just we're keeping things as focused as possible oh

uh birch mccallum for canadian 699 is saying hey fellas you always make fun of the rcmp if you want weird crazy and shady check out the port-a-peak shootings in nova scotia i will happily do that port-a-peak yes it's an interesting uh spelling there you'll have to put that in i shall here let me add that actually there's there's a bunch of recent ish uh canadian cases i want to look at too when i get a chance

uh birch mccallum for canadian 699 is saying hey fellas you always make fun of the rcmp if you want weird crazy and shady check out the port-a-peak shootings in nova scotia i will happily do that port-a-peak yes it's an interesting uh spelling there you'll have to put that in i shall here let me add that actually there's there's a bunch of recent ish uh canadian cases i want to look at too when i get a chance

one of these days the RCMP is really going to be mad at me and on that day I will celebrate yeah hopefully it's sooner than later Sunspire Cryptid for I believe another Canadian $10 says the fact that Chris Brownfoot said he had information that would stop people for looking for an actual child speaks more than anything how little he cares about him we don't care what he did we want him home

one of these days the RCMP is really going to be mad at me and on that day I will celebrate yeah hopefully it's sooner than later Sunspire Cryptid for I believe another Canadian $10 says the fact that Chris Brownfoot said he had information that would stop people for looking for an actual child speaks more than anything how little he cares about him we don't care what he did we want him home

Yeah, honestly, it doesn't really make sense to me what he might be insinuating there. Because there's really, I mean, granted, this is really good credence to him being a horrible stepfather. But like, there's nothing that a child really could do that should make any parent say, yeah, we don't want him home in that instance. Yeah. Aside from maybe trying to harm your other children.

Yeah, honestly, it doesn't really make sense to me what he might be insinuating there. Because there's really, I mean, granted, this is really good credence to him being a horrible stepfather. But like, there's nothing that a child really could do that should make any parent say, yeah, we don't want him home in that instance. Yeah. Aside from maybe trying to harm your other children.

No, not even close.

No, not even close.

Oh, I can easily picture that as well. Yeah.

Oh, I can easily picture that as well. Yeah.

Next super chat from my wife for 739. Yeah, 733. Sorry. And it's fun saying, remember, Aiden's Freemasons are seen as cultists. If he wants a quick win in the public's opinion, he'll throw that out. Be ready for it.

Next super chat from my wife for 739. Yeah, 733. Sorry. And it's fun saying, remember, Aiden's Freemasons are seen as cultists. If he wants a quick win in the public's opinion, he'll throw that out. Be ready for it.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Once again, he is baby.

Once again, he is baby.

We're coming up on the end here. Kellen, let me know what your hernia situation is in terms of what the surgery is they're going to have for you to repair it. Because I've had one since junior year of college that I haven't done anything with that I really should. And I was just talking about that over the weekend that I really should kind of get that fixed.

We're coming up on the end here. Kellen, let me know what your hernia situation is in terms of what the surgery is they're going to have for you to repair it. Because I've had one since junior year of college that I haven't done anything with that I really should. And I was just talking about that over the weekend that I really should kind of get that fixed.

You probably should get the hernia fixed. When I went to the doctor, they were like, it's small. You don't need any surgery right now. Eventually you will. I would do it. You have insurance. Yeah, it was more along the lines of the methods. Well, no, it was the methods for repairing it were not great at the time.

You probably should get the hernia fixed. When I went to the doctor, they were like, it's small. You don't need any surgery right now. Eventually you will. I would do it. You have insurance. Yeah, it was more along the lines of the methods. Well, no, it was the methods for repairing it were not great at the time.

And so both the doctor and my parents were like, wait 10 years and see if it improves. Weird. They would go in and put like this mesh in there and it just, it would kind of, there were people who would have the mesh degrade because it's an upper abdominal one. It is small because my abdominal muscles have always been pretty weak.

And so both the doctor and my parents were like, wait 10 years and see if it improves. Weird. They would go in and put like this mesh in there and it just, it would kind of, there were people who would have the mesh degrade because it's an upper abdominal one. It is small because my abdominal muscles have always been pretty weak.

Yeah. I actually found out in high school, sorry, minor tangent here. We were doing a bunch of exercises for water polo and we were in the weight room and the lifting coach was in there and I stopped him. I like brought him aside. It was like, hey, just wanted to clarify something. Every time we do an ab exercise, I feel it in the top of my legs and not really in my abs.

Yeah. I actually found out in high school, sorry, minor tangent here. We were doing a bunch of exercises for water polo and we were in the weight room and the lifting coach was in there and I stopped him. I like brought him aside. It was like, hey, just wanted to clarify something. Every time we do an ab exercise, I feel it in the top of my legs and not really in my abs.

So he had me lay on a bench press bench and do a couple of movements. And after about 30 seconds, he was like, I genuinely have never seen anything like this before in my life. And I was like, well, what does that mean? And he said, your body has found a way to bypass your abdomen in terms of stabilization muscles. It's activated, but nowhere near as much as it should be. And I was like, really?

So he had me lay on a bench press bench and do a couple of movements. And after about 30 seconds, he was like, I genuinely have never seen anything like this before in my life. And I was like, well, what does that mean? And he said, your body has found a way to bypass your abdomen in terms of stabilization muscles. It's activated, but nowhere near as much as it should be. And I was like, really?

What can I do about that? And he's like, I have a doctorate in this. I have no idea. So, yeah. Yeah, a little tidbit of my history there. There's a reason my lower back is always really stiff, and it's because it's overcompensating for the lack of strength in my abdomen.

What can I do about that? And he's like, I have a doctorate in this. I have no idea. So, yeah. Yeah, a little tidbit of my history there. There's a reason my lower back is always really stiff, and it's because it's overcompensating for the lack of strength in my abdomen.

And then we've got a few other ones. Somebody's asking if we're ever going to get a lizard people conspiracy video.

And then we've got a few other ones. Somebody's asking if we're ever going to get a lizard people conspiracy video.

somebody's asking Alyssa Snodgrass is asking us if we've heard of the Alyssa Turney case similar to the Chris Brownfoot to the stepfather in that case both made the children seem bad like it's their fault Alyssa Turney see and then 2001 Phoenix area she was 17

somebody's asking Alyssa Snodgrass is asking us if we've heard of the Alyssa Turney case similar to the Chris Brownfoot to the stepfather in that case both made the children seem bad like it's their fault Alyssa Turney see and then 2001 Phoenix area she was 17

Yeah, that'd be great. And then lastly from Yowit for $5 saying, I've been watching for a while and I must say I love y'all's content. Also, I had two hernias when I was four and six and I was just talking about it with my wife. Weird. Thank you. And thank you to everybody else.

Yeah, that'd be great. And then lastly from Yowit for $5 saying, I've been watching for a while and I must say I love y'all's content. Also, I had two hernias when I was four and six and I was just talking about it with my wife. Weird. Thank you. And thank you to everybody else.

It's fine.

It's fine.

Technically, they're just outside the inside outside.

Technically, they're just outside the inside outside.

I know. But yeah, thank you for everybody who has sent stuff in tonight. We're sorry that we were unable to get to all of them, but we are trying to focus on keeping these.

I know. But yeah, thank you for everybody who has sent stuff in tonight. We're sorry that we were unable to get to all of them, but we are trying to focus on keeping these.

generally under two hours if we can moving forward uh that is the main reason for the prioritization of things being relevant uh but nonetheless thank you to everybody who sent things otherwise uh it is greatly appreciated uh especially gomb and jmo sending you guys send a lot of stuff and we appreciate all of it trust me we we read them and we enjoy some of them we just can't read yes yeah not not allowed on this show not at not at this stage

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It's about two years ago. We've gotten too serious. Yeah, we've gotten too serious with things.

It's about two years ago. We've gotten too serious. Yeah, we've gotten too serious with things.

Gom is saying, miss the goofy.

Gom is saying, miss the goofy.

Maybe we'll start doing a Lickerd Lore segment where we go through all of the heinous super chats from the previous month.

Maybe we'll start doing a Lickerd Lore segment where we go through all of the heinous super chats from the previous month.

No, segment. Okay, yeah. Segment, yeah.

No, segment. Okay, yeah. Segment, yeah.

That's all we can ever hope doing this show. I mean, it's shocking that we've gotten this far just considering how it started and the fact that most of our life outside of this hasn't really changed. Yeah, that's the weird part. Yeah.

That's all we can ever hope doing this show. I mean, it's shocking that we've gotten this far just considering how it started and the fact that most of our life outside of this hasn't really changed. Yeah, that's the weird part. Yeah.

You mentioned it a little bit.

You mentioned it a little bit.

I'm excited to get back into 411. Yeah. I was surprised that I missed it as much as I did. Yeah.

I'm excited to get back into 411. Yeah. I was surprised that I missed it as much as I did. Yeah.

Just to clarify, Bennett published this book, Susan Bennett, Susan Bennett, real name Jameson.

Just to clarify, Bennett published this book, Susan Bennett, Susan Bennett, real name Jameson.

Yeah, but you do that so frequently, it should be quick.

Yeah, but you do that so frequently, it should be quick.

Huzzah. And not just a cult, but the reason that confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. And cognitive dissonance, both. He hit the wrong button. No, it's just my pinky grazed the touchpad.

Huzzah. And not just a cult, but the reason that confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. And cognitive dissonance, both. He hit the wrong button. No, it's just my pinky grazed the touchpad.

I get this feeling.

I get this feeling.

Oh, yeah. There have been a few times where I've been like, I have been digging for this and I cannot find it. I'll go to the Discord and ask if anybody else can find it because they might not be able to. But it's better to ask in case someone does. Yeah. So, no, I just I wish people would just do the right thing with it instead of keeping it themselves.

Oh, yeah. There have been a few times where I've been like, I have been digging for this and I cannot find it. I'll go to the Discord and ask if anybody else can find it because they might not be able to. But it's better to ask in case someone does. Yeah. So, no, I just I wish people would just do the right thing with it instead of keeping it themselves.

I know sometimes they think they're doing it for the right reason. I know law enforcement has this idea that the general public can't be trusted with things like that. But the fact of the matter is it has been... 12 months or no, 10 months.

I know sometimes they think they're doing it for the right reason. I know law enforcement has this idea that the general public can't be trusted with things like that. But the fact of the matter is it has been... 12 months or no, 10 months.

Uh, so all you're doing by releasing only a small portion of it is people are going to say, oh, well that was edited to, you know, make it look worse, which granted, like you look at the video and there are some weird things, you know, Katie at one point is like looking around the room, looking like she's looking for somebody.

Uh, so all you're doing by releasing only a small portion of it is people are going to say, oh, well that was edited to, you know, make it look worse, which granted, like you look at the video and there are some weird things, you know, Katie at one point is like looking around the room, looking like she's looking for somebody.

And for longer than you might look for the waiter, like when you're at a restaurant and you can't find your waiter, you go, where's my, where's my waiter? Like for like a second and a half and you're like, ah, it'll come by. Um, now granted Katie herself might be on the spectrum. Um,

And for longer than you might look for the waiter, like when you're at a restaurant and you can't find your waiter, you go, where's my, where's my waiter? Like for like a second and a half and you're like, ah, it'll come by. Um, now granted Katie herself might be on the spectrum. Um,

no yeah it's weird everybody just started watching it in december and then as soon as january hit it's back to disney and nickelodeon and cartoon network um no i don't so i don't i did think you know we're going to get into the the meat and potatoes this episode and i do have some important things to say about this upcoming friday's episode i because it is going to be an update on the sebastian rogers case and i'll just i'll start it here i because i you know

no yeah it's weird everybody just started watching it in december and then as soon as january hit it's back to disney and nickelodeon and cartoon network um no i don't so i don't i did think you know we're going to get into the the meat and potatoes this episode and i do have some important things to say about this upcoming friday's episode i because it is going to be an update on the sebastian rogers case and i'll just i'll start it here i because i you know

So, in fact, I wouldn't be shocked if she was, based on everything that came out through those three episodes, just how she behaves, some of her mannerisms. Just weird. Not weird in, like, in her case, in a negative way, but I don't mean to say that autism is weird. Just, like, there's stuff that's off about her, and you're like, what's going on here?

So, in fact, I wouldn't be shocked if she was, based on everything that came out through those three episodes, just how she behaves, some of her mannerisms. Just weird. Not weird in, like, in her case, in a negative way, but I don't mean to say that autism is weird. Just, like, there's stuff that's off about her, and you're like, what's going on here?

And knowing Sebastian is as well, you know, it's possible autism can be heritable. So... Yeah, I don't want to give too much away about what is in the video, but I wanted to get into kind of what I was talking about with the thumbnail of this. And the title, Look at the Parents.

And knowing Sebastian is as well, you know, it's possible autism can be heritable. So... Yeah, I don't want to give too much away about what is in the video, but I wanted to get into kind of what I was talking about with the thumbnail of this. And the title, Look at the Parents.

Because as I was looking through all of the Sebastian Rogers material, the thing that I kept coming back to is I was like, how at no point did they really look at the parents? Because this... There's so many parallels with JonBenet Ramsey. And this isn't even me saying that Jon and Patsy did it. I think they're responsible. I think they know exactly what happened that night.

Because as I was looking through all of the Sebastian Rogers material, the thing that I kept coming back to is I was like, how at no point did they really look at the parents? Because this... There's so many parallels with JonBenet Ramsey. And this isn't even me saying that Jon and Patsy did it. I think they're responsible. I think they know exactly what happened that night.

And they're just not coming forward about it. Because it either implicates them or implicates Burke. I was under the impression... That the mistakes made by the police... Of which there were many. Everybody dogs on the police in this case... For the most part, it is undeserved. But there are a few things that the police, just common sense, should have known better.

And they're just not coming forward about it. Because it either implicates them or implicates Burke. I was under the impression... That the mistakes made by the police... Of which there were many. Everybody dogs on the police in this case... For the most part, it is undeserved. But there are a few things that the police, just common sense, should have known better.

Yeah. But my understanding was that that case led to a lot of changes in standard operating procedure. That the errors made during the JonBenet-Ramsey initial investigation were then fixed. Or at least, they attempted to fix them. But I look at JonBenet and, you know, they... Nobody was really properly recording police movements throughout the house.

Yeah. But my understanding was that that case led to a lot of changes in standard operating procedure. That the errors made during the JonBenet-Ramsey initial investigation were then fixed. Or at least, they attempted to fix them. But I look at JonBenet and, you know, they... Nobody was really properly recording police movements throughout the house.

You know, the parents were kind of allowed to be out of sight. You know, the call comes in around the same time in the morning. The family had the house professionally cleaned not long after this happened. There's just, I mean, point after point after point after point. Apparently there, even though Katie works for, was it, it wasn't ADT, was it? I think it was. Brinks. It was Brinks.

You know, the parents were kind of allowed to be out of sight. You know, the call comes in around the same time in the morning. The family had the house professionally cleaned not long after this happened. There's just, I mean, point after point after point after point. Apparently there, even though Katie works for, was it, it wasn't ADT, was it? I think it was. Brinks. It was Brinks.

So even though Katie works for Brinks Home Security and has a Brinks van that sits in their driveway that she oddly would not, like, was cagey about telling people. She was like, I don't know if we can say what kind of van it was. And it's like, I went in and I found the exact van. It was like a Dodge something. And I posted it. I was like, this is what Brinks uses. It's uniform.

So even though Katie works for Brinks Home Security and has a Brinks van that sits in their driveway that she oddly would not, like, was cagey about telling people. She was like, I don't know if we can say what kind of van it was. And it's like, I went in and I found the exact van. It was like a Dodge something. And I posted it. I was like, this is what Brinks uses. It's uniform.

Why would you not just say that? Like, you're lying because you think you have things to hide. Um, cause at this point they, and that's the other thing, um, with, with the Ramses, they had attorneys immediately, um, Which, granted, you know, I can understand that the advice is typically lawyer up if you might be a suspect.

Why would you not just say that? Like, you're lying because you think you have things to hide. Um, cause at this point they, and that's the other thing, um, with, with the Ramses, they had attorneys immediately, um, Which, granted, you know, I can understand that the advice is typically lawyer up if you might be a suspect.

The problem with them is that they kept refusing to do interviews even with their attorneys present. We haven't even got to that part yet, guys. Four months! I was going to say, have we really not? Almost five! Yeah, it was a full four months. It was April 30th. We are through December 31st. The JonBenet series is not over yet, but it's just not going to be every week.

The problem with them is that they kept refusing to do interviews even with their attorneys present. We haven't even got to that part yet, guys. Four months! I was going to say, have we really not? Almost five! Yeah, it was a full four months. It was April 30th. We are through December 31st. The JonBenet series is not over yet, but it's just not going to be every week.

It's probably going to be once a month until we get through it. And then we'll switch to a different cold case, probably Madeline McCann. That was the other one people have heavily requested. And then we're also going to do a conspiracy theory or urban legend. We're going to do a missing persons case, like a missing 411.

It's probably going to be once a month until we get through it. And then we'll switch to a different cold case, probably Madeline McCann. That was the other one people have heavily requested. And then we're also going to do a conspiracy theory or urban legend. We're going to do a missing persons case, like a missing 411.

We don't really need to talk about our Christmases. I just wanted to brag. I got a revolver that typically goes for like $1,200 for less than $600 at a gun show. It's on my hip right now, but for YouTube reasons, I can't show it. I'm breaking in the... I ordered a... Just shout out, this is not a paid thing at all.

We don't really need to talk about our Christmases. I just wanted to brag. I got a revolver that typically goes for like $1,200 for less than $600 at a gun show. It's on my hip right now, but for YouTube reasons, I can't show it. I'm breaking in the... I ordered a... Just shout out, this is not a paid thing at all.

And then I'm not sure what the fourth category will be, but we'll just kind of be alternating topics a little bit more. It'll be a little bit more structured and planned out. So hopefully you guys are getting more variety and don't get tired of one specific topic. But, you know, back to what I was saying here, the Ramseys had lawyers.

And then I'm not sure what the fourth category will be, but we'll just kind of be alternating topics a little bit more. It'll be a little bit more structured and planned out. So hopefully you guys are getting more variety and don't get tired of one specific topic. But, you know, back to what I was saying here, the Ramseys had lawyers.

And so those lawyers, you know, were advising them on what to say, advising them on, you know, when to talk to the police, when not to talk to the police. The Proudfoots didn't have that. Anything they weren't saying was because they thought they shouldn't say it. This was not expert advice. This was their consciences.

And so those lawyers, you know, were advising them on what to say, advising them on, you know, when to talk to the police, when not to talk to the police. The Proudfoots didn't have that. Anything they weren't saying was because they thought they shouldn't say it. This was not expert advice. This was their consciences.

And I think that is an important factor in reading them, in watching their interviews, in trying to understand where they're coming from with the various things that they say, because it's not like the Ramseys. But in almost every other way, it's like the Ramseys. I mean, there's so much about this, but that's what I was saying. You know, Katie works for Brinks.

And I think that is an important factor in reading them, in watching their interviews, in trying to understand where they're coming from with the various things that they say, because it's not like the Ramseys. But in almost every other way, it's like the Ramseys. I mean, there's so much about this, but that's what I was saying. You know, Katie works for Brinks.

She knows how home security systems work. She knows the value of one. She knows how to install them. In fact, it doesn't even appear that they don't have one. Because all they would ever say is that there were no security cameras watching the outside of the house. Nina Gomez, of course, Chris's ex-wife, who still shares a daughter with him.

She knows how home security systems work. She knows the value of one. She knows how to install them. In fact, it doesn't even appear that they don't have one. Because all they would ever say is that there were no security cameras watching the outside of the house. Nina Gomez, of course, Chris's ex-wife, who still shares a daughter with him.

That daughter has custody, which means that they go to court together. They know what is in each other's homes in terms of security. This is a custody battle. They're going to that is going to be an argument made by lawyers. It's going to be, you know, well, how can how do I how do you know that Nina is capable of keeping the child safe?

That daughter has custody, which means that they go to court together. They know what is in each other's homes in terms of security. This is a custody battle. They're going to that is going to be an argument made by lawyers. It's going to be, you know, well, how can how do I how do you know that Nina is capable of keeping the child safe?

How do you know that Chris is capable of keeping the child safe? If they have home in home cameras, they're going to mention it. We have security. You know, he's only allowed, you know, to text these people on his phone, like various things like that, especially with a child like this. And also, let's be realistic with a child who has the problem Sebastian has because he's not just autistic.

How do you know that Chris is capable of keeping the child safe? If they have home in home cameras, they're going to mention it. We have security. You know, he's only allowed, you know, to text these people on his phone, like various things like that, especially with a child like this. And also, let's be realistic with a child who has the problem Sebastian has because he's not just autistic.

He has this genetic disorder with fluid on his brain, too. I would be utterly astonished. If Katie didn't work for Brinks, it would be a different story. She works for Brinks, or at least did when this all happened. I don't know if she still does. I would be astonished if they didn't have in-home security. I'd be willing to bet that it's actually offered to Brinks employees for free.

He has this genetic disorder with fluid on his brain, too. I would be utterly astonished. If Katie didn't work for Brinks, it would be a different story. She works for Brinks, or at least did when this all happened. I don't know if she still does. I would be astonished if they didn't have in-home security. I'd be willing to bet that it's actually offered to Brinks employees for free.

I haven't looked into it, but I would bet that if you're a technician, they want you to have your own system so you know how it works. Intimately, you know, it's in your home. You're interacting with every day. I can't say for sure they have one, but all the evidence seems to suggest they have an in-home security system with cameras that would be able to show the interior of the house.

I haven't looked into it, but I would bet that if you're a technician, they want you to have your own system so you know how it works. Intimately, you know, it's in your home. You're interacting with every day. I can't say for sure they have one, but all the evidence seems to suggest they have an in-home security system with cameras that would be able to show the interior of the house.

And of course, where are you going to have those cameras pointed in places where people are and in doors and windows? entryways to the home so that you know who's going in and coming out. You know, if anybody was peeking in, you know what's going on inside. Keep in mind, Faith is a small child. It makes sense they'd have monitoring for her too.

And of course, where are you going to have those cameras pointed in places where people are and in doors and windows? entryways to the home so that you know who's going in and coming out. You know, if anybody was peeking in, you know what's going on inside. Keep in mind, Faith is a small child. It makes sense they'd have monitoring for her too.

And they've never, to my knowledge, they have never said there aren't security cameras in the home. Now, the police have, as far as I understand... I believe reviewed that footage, if it exists, but I've also not seen anything from the police saying they've done so.

And they've never, to my knowledge, they have never said there aren't security cameras in the home. Now, the police have, as far as I understand... I believe reviewed that footage, if it exists, but I've also not seen anything from the police saying they've done so.

I asked a bunch of questions that were not answered by the police. I'm frustrated about that. I meant more like, is anybody in an interview with one of the Proudfoots asking? Yes, and what they say is that they're not going to answer that question, or they won't go into detail about what security measures they have in place.

I asked a bunch of questions that were not answered by the police. I'm frustrated about that. I meant more like, is anybody in an interview with one of the Proudfoots asking? Yes, and what they say is that they're not going to answer that question, or they won't go into detail about what security measures they have in place.

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I ordered a holster for it, a genuine leather holster from... I'm going to look it up really quickly. I want to make sure I get the name of the... the seller right.

They made it sound like it was about, you know, like making sure nobody can break in, but... What? There's a Brinks van outside your house. If somebody's casing the neighborhood, you're the last house they're looking at.

They made it sound like it was about, you know, like making sure nobody can break in, but... What? There's a Brinks van outside your house. If somebody's casing the neighborhood, you're the last house they're looking at.

And do you remember anything about the home security system that the Ramseys had the night that JonBenet died? Wasn't it disarmed? It was disarmed. I mean, I look at this, and it's just point for point. It's like they looked at the Ramsey case and went, oh, we can do that. I mean, look, I'm not being rude. I'm just being brash, like Chris always says. He's blunt. He's brash. He's honest. Yeah.

And do you remember anything about the home security system that the Ramseys had the night that JonBenet died? Wasn't it disarmed? It was disarmed. I mean, I look at this, and it's just point for point. It's like they looked at the Ramsey case and went, oh, we can do that. I mean, look, I'm not being rude. I'm just being brash, like Chris always says. He's blunt. He's brash. He's honest. Yeah.

He's not one of those things. I love the fact that Seth came out and said that Chris said there was something about Sebastian that if he told people the truth, nobody would want to look for him anymore. I've never seen Chris deny that. That's in our videos, Aiden. Yeah, I'm just not remembering this.

He's not one of those things. I love the fact that Seth came out and said that Chris said there was something about Sebastian that if he told people the truth, nobody would want to look for him anymore. I've never seen Chris deny that. That's in our videos, Aiden. Yeah, I'm just not remembering this.

I don't want to know how, and I think it's best for you if we don't explain how. Time warp. Yeah, exactly. Just a little bubble. Philadelphia experiment. They got it right and they put it in Aiden's Camaro. Yes. Actually, actually Kat's Volkswagen Golf. That makes it even better that it was in a Volkswagen Golf. Oh boy. Yeah. So I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday.

I don't want to know how, and I think it's best for you if we don't explain how. Time warp. Yeah, exactly. Just a little bubble. Philadelphia experiment. They got it right and they put it in Aiden's Camaro. Yes. Actually, actually Kat's Volkswagen Golf. That makes it even better that it was in a Volkswagen Golf. Oh boy. Yeah. So I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday.

Oh, supposedly, well, this was about how Chris kept saying that Sebastian going to live with his dad had nothing to do with faith. That Sebastian going to live with his dad had nothing to do with the court case, that what happened to Sebastian had nothing to do with faith whatsoever.

Oh, supposedly, well, this was about how Chris kept saying that Sebastian going to live with his dad had nothing to do with faith. That Sebastian going to live with his dad had nothing to do with the court case, that what happened to Sebastian had nothing to do with faith whatsoever.

Meanwhile, Chris Proudfoot arranges for Sebastian to go live with his biological dad, Seth, and at almost exactly the same time, he starts a new court proceeding. He files a new motion to attempt to get primary custody of Faith. The way I see it, those two things are intimately connected.

Meanwhile, Chris Proudfoot arranges for Sebastian to go live with his biological dad, Seth, and at almost exactly the same time, he starts a new court proceeding. He files a new motion to attempt to get primary custody of Faith. The way I see it, those two things are intimately connected.

Sebastian then disappears after that court battle is already underway, which leads me to believe, oh, maybe there was something going on that Chris was worried Sebastian might interfere with. Now, when we first put the series out, I was very much of the opinion that Sebastian could still be alive. I am less and less confident about that as time goes on.

Sebastian then disappears after that court battle is already underway, which leads me to believe, oh, maybe there was something going on that Chris was worried Sebastian might interfere with. Now, when we first put the series out, I was very much of the opinion that Sebastian could still be alive. I am less and less confident about that as time goes on.

This is a kid who has severe medical issues, is very much special needs. I have a hard time seeing how he could have survived this long without somebody finding out he's there.

This is a kid who has severe medical issues, is very much special needs. I have a hard time seeing how he could have survived this long without somebody finding out he's there.

Yeah. I mean, the one possibility was that somebody somehow smuggled him out of the country. But Chris and Katie have been here this whole time, as have both of their entire families.

Yeah. I mean, the one possibility was that somebody somehow smuggled him out of the country. But Chris and Katie have been here this whole time, as have both of their entire families.

I've also got some really great gifts from my family and my girlfriend and everything, but this was a good Christmas. But yeah, White Gate Leather on Etsy. I mean, you can see this thing. It is... It's not ornate. It's not over the top. It's just a solid, functional, high-quality leather holster. It's real leather, real fasteners. It fits really snugly. I didn't even need to finagle it.

I've also got some really great gifts from my family and my girlfriend and everything, but this was a good Christmas. But yeah, White Gate Leather on Etsy. I mean, you can see this thing. It is... It's not ornate. It's not over the top. It's just a solid, functional, high-quality leather holster. It's real leather, real fasteners. It fits really snugly. I didn't even need to finagle it.

And I don't think they have. I know that the Proudfoot family is a little bit more on the wealthy side, from what I understand from things locals have said.

And I don't think they have. I know that the Proudfoot family is a little bit more on the wealthy side, from what I understand from things locals have said.

Yeah, I believe so. But not that wealthy. Not wealthy enough to send him to be cared for in a foreign country, getting the proper medical care for almost a year. So I don't think that's very likely at all. The two possibilities I would see at that point are that he was murdered or he was kidnapped or trafficked. Because otherwise he's somehow still with that family and nobody's found him.

Yeah, I believe so. But not that wealthy. Not wealthy enough to send him to be cared for in a foreign country, getting the proper medical care for almost a year. So I don't think that's very likely at all. The two possibilities I would see at that point are that he was murdered or he was kidnapped or trafficked. Because otherwise he's somehow still with that family and nobody's found him.

Now the new development, the interesting one, is the dog, the bounty hunter stuff.

Now the new development, the interesting one, is the dog, the bounty hunter stuff.

So, uh, what did he say today? Yes. Uh, I'm just kind of, you know, scrolling through Twitter and what do I find Delco? The fight for answers about little Sebastian's disappearance is now moving from Tennessee to Pennsylvania. A $250,000 reward is being offered. Uh, and that's eight, three to three tell dog or email Sebastian at man hunts, one.com or man hunts. One. Um,

So, uh, what did he say today? Yes. Uh, I'm just kind of, you know, scrolling through Twitter and what do I find Delco? The fight for answers about little Sebastian's disappearance is now moving from Tennessee to Pennsylvania. A $250,000 reward is being offered. Uh, and that's eight, three to three tell dog or email Sebastian at man hunts, one.com or man hunts. One. Um,

So, I don't know a ton of what's going on here. I was just followed by a bunch of people involved in this case, so maybe I'll have an opportunity to talk to people about this soon and figure out what this change is. But I guess there's some harassment going on, you know, all that. He hasn't, from what I can tell, he hasn't really explained why Delco is now in the question.

So, I don't know a ton of what's going on here. I was just followed by a bunch of people involved in this case, so maybe I'll have an opportunity to talk to people about this soon and figure out what this change is. But I guess there's some harassment going on, you know, all that. He hasn't, from what I can tell, he hasn't really explained why Delco is now in the question.

But what I wanted to say about it is if it is that. If they think that he moved his way up to Pennsylvania, the only reason... I can't think of a ton of reasons to go to Delco. Delco, for those who don't know, is the southeasternmost county in Pennsylvania. It's small by comparison to our county, Chester.

But what I wanted to say about it is if it is that. If they think that he moved his way up to Pennsylvania, the only reason... I can't think of a ton of reasons to go to Delco. Delco, for those who don't know, is the southeasternmost county in Pennsylvania. It's small by comparison to our county, Chester.

I think it's slightly bigger than Philadelphia County in terms of land mass, but population, it's smaller. Smaller than Chester population, I believe, as well. It has the city of Chester in it, which is extremely dangerous. And then also, as we've learned firsthand... An utterly incompetent police department in Ridley Township. I mean, dangerously incompetent police department in Ridley Township.

I think it's slightly bigger than Philadelphia County in terms of land mass, but population, it's smaller. Smaller than Chester population, I believe, as well. It has the city of Chester in it, which is extremely dangerous. And then also, as we've learned firsthand... An utterly incompetent police department in Ridley Township. I mean, dangerously incompetent police department in Ridley Township.

Yeah, Tommy Booth. I mean, that is... What happened in that case is a travesty. It is truly incredible how bad that investigation was. The fact that we don't, like, have the camera footage is wild. Well, we... We do have some camera footage, but not... It's another situation where it's like, really? Really, this guy left and no camera caught him leaving the bar? None of them?

Yeah, Tommy Booth. I mean, that is... What happened in that case is a travesty. It is truly incredible how bad that investigation was. The fact that we don't, like, have the camera footage is wild. Well, we... We do have some camera footage, but not... It's another situation where it's like, really? Really, this guy left and no camera caught him leaving the bar? None of them?

Yeah, we went to the police department to get the footage. And then they didn't give us the footage we actually requested. Yeah, yeah. Which, of course, was being requested by the mother of a victim in a case they consider to be closed. Yeah. Which shouldn't be a problem. That's the thing. If the case is closed, why aren't you showing me the footage? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, we went to the police department to get the footage. And then they didn't give us the footage we actually requested. Yeah, yeah. Which, of course, was being requested by the mother of a victim in a case they consider to be closed. Yeah. Which shouldn't be a problem. That's the thing. If the case is closed, why aren't you showing me the footage? Yeah, exactly.

Why aren't you showing his mom the footage? Yeah. I'm a journalist. She's a mom. Yeah. Why isn't she seeing the right stuff?

Why aren't you showing his mom the footage? Yeah. I'm a journalist. She's a mom. Yeah. Why isn't she seeing the right stuff?

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Yeah, it was probably like you need a certain software that the police use.

Yeah, it was probably like you need a certain software that the police use.

I mean, also the fact that nobody in the bar that night seemed to know what happened to him. Yeah. Just something stinks about it, and then there's the fact that his decomposition didn't match. No.

I mean, also the fact that nobody in the bar that night seemed to know what happened to him. Yeah. Just something stinks about it, and then there's the fact that his decomposition didn't match. No.

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Oh, my goal with that case, when we do have time to properly revisit it and I can go through that case file and really dig everything out. I want to get the FBI's attention. Yeah. I mean, we know from Tommy's parents that these guys were trafficking drugs and guns.

Oh, my goal with that case, when we do have time to properly revisit it and I can go through that case file and really dig everything out. I want to get the FBI's attention. Yeah. I mean, we know from Tommy's parents that these guys were trafficking drugs and guns.

If anybody knows how to reach out to Steve Thomas, let me know. I would love to talk to him, even if it's privately. Even if he doesn't want me back on camera, I would love to sit down with the guy. One of the things that pisses me off the most about the discourse with JonBenet is...

If anybody knows how to reach out to Steve Thomas, let me know. I would love to talk to him, even if it's privately. Even if he doesn't want me back on camera, I would love to sit down with the guy. One of the things that pisses me off the most about the discourse with JonBenet is...

everybody who's pro-Ramsay treats Thomas as if he was trying to make money off of a tragedy, when if you actually read the book, it's not really about... It's about JonBenet, but it's about the investigation. It's not like the little insider details, you can only hear this from me. It's not written like that. The focus of the book, when you read it,

everybody who's pro-Ramsay treats Thomas as if he was trying to make money off of a tragedy, when if you actually read the book, it's not really about... It's about JonBenet, but it's about the investigation. It's not like the little insider details, you can only hear this from me. It's not written like that. The focus of the book, when you read it,

is on the ways in which the investigation was compromised by poor police leadership, outright obstructive behavior from the DA, and then the Ramseys and their lawyers just doing everything possible to sabotage any potential case.

is on the ways in which the investigation was compromised by poor police leadership, outright obstructive behavior from the DA, and then the Ramseys and their lawyers just doing everything possible to sabotage any potential case.

Thomas could have continued working for the Boulder PD. There's a lot of people like, oh, he was going to be fired for the way he like. Probably not, actually, because they had no decent detectives like firing him. He was an undercover undercover narcotics cop before. Obviously, he can't do that anymore. His cover is blown. He can never go undercover.

Thomas could have continued working for the Boulder PD. There's a lot of people like, oh, he was going to be fired for the way he like. Probably not, actually, because they had no decent detectives like firing him. He was an undercover undercover narcotics cop before. Obviously, he can't do that anymore. His cover is blown. He can never go undercover.

At that point, he was also one of their only detectives who had any experience with homicide.

At that point, he was also one of their only detectives who had any experience with homicide.

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So, I mean, getting rid of him, that would have been a gut punch to the department. It would have lowered morale for the people who were on his side.

So, I mean, getting rid of him, that would have been a gut punch to the department. It would have lowered morale for the people who were on his side.

It's hard to get convictions on the books when you keep pleading them down before you even charge the person. I think it was something like, well, it was over a 90% plea rate. Imagine if... And for things that were, in fact, homicides, cocaine dealing, I mean, he got reprimanded for breaking up a prostitution ring.

It's hard to get convictions on the books when you keep pleading them down before you even charge the person. I think it was something like, well, it was over a 90% plea rate. Imagine if... And for things that were, in fact, homicides, cocaine dealing, I mean, he got reprimanded for breaking up a prostitution ring.

And, you know, like, opinions on sex work aside, prostitution rings that run out of hotels... are typically not the kind of thing that even if you are a rather liberally minded person in that sense, those are trafficking. That's different. That's not OnlyFans. It's almost always going to be trafficking. Somebody is organizing this, which means that somebody's in charge.

And, you know, like, opinions on sex work aside, prostitution rings that run out of hotels... are typically not the kind of thing that even if you are a rather liberally minded person in that sense, those are trafficking. That's different. That's not OnlyFans. It's almost always going to be trafficking. Somebody is organizing this, which means that somebody's in charge.

That is different than being a cam model or an OnlyFans model or something like that. There's almost always some level of abuse somewhere. This is not an issue of... Some cops being, you know, morally conservative and the DA being morally liberal. This is an issue of, like, that's trafficking. And they told him not to look at prostitution cases anymore unless there were complaints.

That is different than being a cam model or an OnlyFans model or something like that. There's almost always some level of abuse somewhere. This is not an issue of... Some cops being, you know, morally conservative and the DA being morally liberal. This is an issue of, like, that's trafficking. And they told him not to look at prostitution cases anymore unless there were complaints.

Which, of course, like, who's... The clients aren't going to complain. And the people who aren't clients probably aren't aware it's happening.

Which, of course, like, who's... The clients aren't going to complain. And the people who aren't clients probably aren't aware it's happening.

Well, my semi. Oh, gotcha. Got to have the pew-pew, that AR-10 and .308. Just watched Brandon Herrera do a review of the SIG, the new, god, is it the Spear? I think the MCX Spear, yeah. It's a sweet-looking gun. It had some problems. Like the charging handle is really stiff and he kept over inserting the magazine because I don't know how much experience you have with firing AR platform rifles.

Well, my semi. Oh, gotcha. Got to have the pew-pew, that AR-10 and .308. Just watched Brandon Herrera do a review of the SIG, the new, god, is it the Spear? I think the MCX Spear, yeah. It's a sweet-looking gun. It had some problems. Like the charging handle is really stiff and he kept over inserting the magazine because I don't know how much experience you have with firing AR platform rifles.

Oh, God. I mean, it sounds like that's kind of what it was for a few years after this case wrapped up. Yeah. But... Yeah, I mean, I look at everything you look at. It's Thomas's whole point in writing the book because and this is the part that pisses me off. Even if he was going to be fired from that department, he could have resigned. He could have gone back to Wheat Ridge.

Oh, God. I mean, it sounds like that's kind of what it was for a few years after this case wrapped up. Yeah. But... Yeah, I mean, I look at everything you look at. It's Thomas's whole point in writing the book because and this is the part that pisses me off. Even if he was going to be fired from that department, he could have resigned. He could have gone back to Wheat Ridge.

He could have gone to another big city. I mean, he would have been the kind of cop that like New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, L.A., any of those cities would have loved a cop like him.

He could have gone to another big city. I mean, he would have been the kind of cop that like New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, L.A., any of those cities would have loved a cop like him.

Boulder, not so much. Boulder doesn't want hard-hitting stuff. Boulder is a nice, pleasant, low-crime area where bad things just don't happen. And if you have cops who aren't going to stand for the DA brushing aside any bad things so that it looks like everything's okay, that's not going to jive. The chief they brought in proves it. Chief Kobe? I mean, I'm sure he was a nice guy.

Boulder, not so much. Boulder doesn't want hard-hitting stuff. Boulder is a nice, pleasant, low-crime area where bad things just don't happen. And if you have cops who aren't going to stand for the DA brushing aside any bad things so that it looks like everything's okay, that's not going to jive. The chief they brought in proves it. Chief Kobe? I mean, I'm sure he was a nice guy.

But police others as you would have them police unto you as a department motto? What does that mean? What does that mean in the case of a child murderer? Like... You know, that's not... That doesn't make sense. I'm not pleased. Thomas hates so much hate, and it's not fair.

But police others as you would have them police unto you as a department motto? What does that mean? What does that mean in the case of a child murderer? Like... You know, that's not... That doesn't make sense. I'm not pleased. Thomas hates so much hate, and it's not fair.

Well, somebody did... I may be... This may be... I will put it out there that I have not gone and confirmed this myself, but I did see screenshots of what appeared to be real tweets from Eric Craddock, the former deputy sheriff who is now the sheriff after the former sheriff died suddenly. Oh, fun. Yeah, a few months ago.

Well, somebody did... I may be... This may be... I will put it out there that I have not gone and confirmed this myself, but I did see screenshots of what appeared to be real tweets from Eric Craddock, the former deputy sheriff who is now the sheriff after the former sheriff died suddenly. Oh, fun. Yeah, a few months ago.

Craddock, I can't remember the exact terminology, but suffice to say he downplayed child sexual abuse. Oh. Yeah, in a tweet. Now, again, it could be that that is a fake tweet. I did not look too deeply into it. It looked like a real tweet. If you want to go look for it, feel free. I...

Craddock, I can't remember the exact terminology, but suffice to say he downplayed child sexual abuse. Oh. Yeah, in a tweet. Now, again, it could be that that is a fake tweet. I did not look too deeply into it. It looked like a real tweet. If you want to go look for it, feel free. I...

I'm going to try and find it and get to the bottom of it when we eventually do do a real... When there's more updates to give. Because I wasn't going to make a full update video, clickbait it, and be like, Hey, there's so much new information. And it's like three or four things. But as time goes on, I'm sure there will be opportunities to make significant updates to the case. Again, my goal is...

I'm going to try and find it and get to the bottom of it when we eventually do do a real... When there's more updates to give. Because I wasn't going to make a full update video, clickbait it, and be like, Hey, there's so much new information. And it's like three or four things. But as time goes on, I'm sure there will be opportunities to make significant updates to the case. Again, my goal is...

I'm a historian. I don't like to cover active cases. I like to cover cases that are historical at this point, which is why I like JonBenet. Also because that one's just such a pain in the ass. But yeah, I think this one to me feels like a sheriff's department issue, not a DA issue. Now granted, in a county as small as that, Is there necessarily much of a difference? I don't know.

I'm a historian. I don't like to cover active cases. I like to cover cases that are historical at this point, which is why I like JonBenet. Also because that one's just such a pain in the ass. But yeah, I think this one to me feels like a sheriff's department issue, not a DA issue. Now granted, in a county as small as that, Is there necessarily much of a difference? I don't know.

But if what Nina said is true, because maybe she just got confused thinking back, you know, like that it was the Sumner County Sheriff's Office and she was actually, you know, at the Henderson PD. The way she presented things, it seemed that the police were very friendly to the Proudfoots. And interestingly, this is the part that really gets me.

But if what Nina said is true, because maybe she just got confused thinking back, you know, like that it was the Sumner County Sheriff's Office and she was actually, you know, at the Henderson PD. The way she presented things, it seemed that the police were very friendly to the Proudfoots. And interestingly, this is the part that really gets me.

When Sebastian was reported missing, they did not call 911. They called the sheriff's office directly.

When Sebastian was reported missing, they did not call 911. They called the sheriff's office directly.

They called central dispatch.

They called central dispatch.

Which is not... You don't have to. I mean, if we call the non-emergency line here in Phoenixville, it takes us to Chester County, Central Dispatch. That's the non-emergency line? The reason you call the non-emergency line instead of 911 in a literal emergency is because you want the right person coming to your house. You want to make sure the right people are responsible. Um...

Which is not... You don't have to. I mean, if we call the non-emergency line here in Phoenixville, it takes us to Chester County, Central Dispatch. That's the non-emergency line? The reason you call the non-emergency line instead of 911 in a literal emergency is because you want the right person coming to your house. You want to make sure the right people are responsible. Um...

which to me suggests that they had friends at the sheriff's department. Yep. Otherwise you'd call 911. You just, you just would like, they're like, Oh, you know, out in the rural areas where we are, you were like 10 minutes from Hendersonville, dude, you're not far. The cops who responded were Hendersonville cops.

which to me suggests that they had friends at the sheriff's department. Yep. Otherwise you'd call 911. You just, you just would like, they're like, Oh, you know, out in the rural areas where we are, you were like 10 minutes from Hendersonville, dude, you're not far. The cops who responded were Hendersonville cops.

It does look like a neighborhood that would have an HOA. Also, we know that that neighborhood has a ton of ring doorbell cameras, a lot of security cameras. Nobody caught Sebastian walking around the neighborhood.

It does look like a neighborhood that would have an HOA. Also, we know that that neighborhood has a ton of ring doorbell cameras, a lot of security cameras. Nobody caught Sebastian walking around the neighborhood.

But a lot of the time you want to when you slide the magazine up, you pop it with your hand to make sure it's seated properly. Like my Ruger, I have this problem. Sometimes I will put the magazine in. I will, you know, pull the charging candle back. Everything's good to go. And then the magazine falls out.

But a lot of the time you want to when you slide the magazine up, you pop it with your hand to make sure it's seated properly. Like my Ruger, I have this problem. Sometimes I will put the magazine in. I will, you know, pull the charging candle back. Everything's good to go. And then the magazine falls out.

yep cops not doing their jobs for some reason or another uh improperly doing their jobs in some cases uh and then you know basically the the parents going i realize all of this evidence points at us but look at this shiny thing over here you know um like why are you your child is missing why are you suing youtubers

yep cops not doing their jobs for some reason or another uh improperly doing their jobs in some cases uh and then you know basically the the parents going i realize all of this evidence points at us but look at this shiny thing over here you know um like why are you your child is missing why are you suing youtubers

for driving through your neighborhood that you don't live in anymore because you moved away from the place that you would expect your son to be coming back to if he decided to come home. I just like, listen, the, the, the way the Ramsey's behaved makes them look guilty of sin. The way the proud foots behaved is worse and it's still going.

for driving through your neighborhood that you don't live in anymore because you moved away from the place that you would expect your son to be coming back to if he decided to come home. I just like, listen, the, the, the way the Ramsey's behaved makes them look guilty of sin. The way the proud foots behaved is worse and it's still going.

I mean, I think it's very funny that John Ramsey is getting up there and, you know, talking about how the police won't do what they need to do and they won't test these samples. Meanwhile, his own attorneys in 1997, we're going to the CB. Well, sorry, we're sending the DA guys to the CD, the CBI to tell them, Hey, don't test those samples. Real thing that happened, guys.

I mean, I think it's very funny that John Ramsey is getting up there and, you know, talking about how the police won't do what they need to do and they won't test these samples. Meanwhile, his own attorneys in 1997, we're going to the CB. Well, sorry, we're sending the DA guys to the CD, the CBI to tell them, Hey, don't test those samples. Real thing that happened, guys.

Deputy DA Hofstrom, the chief prosecutor for Boulder County in 1997, hand-delivered a letter to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation saying, don't test these samples. The letter was from a Ramsey attorney. And he just gave it his blessing to make sure it worked. In a just world, Hofstrom would be redacted. But in a slightly just world, Hofstrom would have told the Ramsey lawyers, F off.

Deputy DA Hofstrom, the chief prosecutor for Boulder County in 1997, hand-delivered a letter to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation saying, don't test these samples. The letter was from a Ramsey attorney. And he just gave it his blessing to make sure it worked. In a just world, Hofstrom would be redacted. But in a slightly just world, Hofstrom would have told the Ramsey lawyers, F off.

Sorry, if we charge you, you can do discovery. The Ramsey lawyers seem to have been very adamant that that be prevented. I mean, obstructing the testing of samples...

Sorry, if we charge you, you can do discovery. The Ramsey lawyers seem to have been very adamant that that be prevented. I mean, obstructing the testing of samples...

DNA, serology, fingerprints, hair, fibers. I mean, there was a beaver hair found on the duct tape, I believe, and Patsy had a pair of boots that were lined with beaver hair that were never submitted. Like, the Ramseys didn't turn them over. and the Boulder DA wouldn't subpoena anybody because he didn't want to offend the Ramses.

DNA, serology, fingerprints, hair, fibers. I mean, there was a beaver hair found on the duct tape, I believe, and Patsy had a pair of boots that were lined with beaver hair that were never submitted. Like, the Ramseys didn't turn them over. and the Boulder DA wouldn't subpoena anybody because he didn't want to offend the Ramses.

I mean, it's it's so frustrating looking at these two cases that have been almost 30 years apart. And you're like, OK, everybody made exactly the same mistakes. There was clearly corruption going on. Why aren't we looking at the parents? I mean, that's the part that really drives me insane is, you know, at least with Boulder.

I mean, it's it's so frustrating looking at these two cases that have been almost 30 years apart. And you're like, OK, everybody made exactly the same mistakes. There was clearly corruption going on. Why aren't we looking at the parents? I mean, that's the part that really drives me insane is, you know, at least with Boulder.

I hope somebody who works for the Summer County Sheriff's Department comes out sometime from now and writes the Steve is the Steve Thomas of this case, because we need that. We need somebody to go through and be like, all right. I gotta come clean. People were preventing us from looking at the parents. Because from what I can tell, they really haven't.

I hope somebody who works for the Summer County Sheriff's Department comes out sometime from now and writes the Steve is the Steve Thomas of this case, because we need that. We need somebody to go through and be like, all right. I gotta come clean. People were preventing us from looking at the parents. Because from what I can tell, they really haven't.

I mean... The fact that they allowed the home to be professionally cleaned.

I mean... The fact that they allowed the home to be professionally cleaned.

It made me so angry going back through all of it, and I highly recommend you guys watch the complete version of the documentary, even if you've already seen them, because I think seeing it all tied together at once is going to really drive home just how screwed up this situation actually is.

It made me so angry going back through all of it, and I highly recommend you guys watch the complete version of the documentary, even if you've already seen them, because I think seeing it all tied together at once is going to really drive home just how screwed up this situation actually is.

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It's a common issue with AR platform rifles from what I've seen. It is easily fixed by you insert the magazine and you pop it once with your hand. It's just if you forget to do that, that it can be a problem. You only really forget to do that once Yeah, I can imagine. Because you're like, where'd it go? It's like, that's not supposed to happen. But I really like Smith & Wesson's AR-10.

We are, I'm speaking to you right now. And then I actually watched some of your show growing up. Uh, this is fun. This is a cool, this is a cool moment for me. Um, we are literally 30 minutes from Delaware County. Our studio is 30 minutes from Delaware County. I grew up 30 feet from Delaware County, or like 300 yards, but I went to restaurants and games and all sorts of things there all the time.

We are, I'm speaking to you right now. And then I actually watched some of your show growing up. Uh, this is fun. This is a cool, this is a cool moment for me. Um, we are literally 30 minutes from Delaware County. Our studio is 30 minutes from Delaware County. I grew up 30 feet from Delaware County, or like 300 yards, but I went to restaurants and games and all sorts of things there all the time.

I don't know it quite as well as I know Chester County, my home area, but I know Delco. I've I know Delco pretty well. I played football games there. I had friends who lived there. If you want us to help out with anything, we are right here. Feel free to reach out. You can do it on Twitter.

I don't know it quite as well as I know Chester County, my home area, but I know Delco. I've I know Delco pretty well. I played football games there. I had friends who lived there. If you want us to help out with anything, we are right here. Feel free to reach out. You can do it on Twitter.

You can send an email to mattis at redactedmediapa.com or thornberry at redactedmediapa.com or thelordlodge at gmail.com. We are happy to hand over dossiers. Anything that we have access to, it's yours. We just want this case solved.

You can send an email to mattis at redactedmediapa.com or thornberry at redactedmediapa.com or thelordlodge at gmail.com. We are happy to hand over dossiers. Anything that we have access to, it's yours. We just want this case solved.

And we are fairly well regarded in the community. So I think we could probably organize some help, too. Without a doubt, yeah. So if that's something that you'd like, that you have any interest in, we are right here. Very happy to help. If that is, of course, the real dog, the bounty hunter. And if it's not, can you let him know we said that? That'd be good. Yeah, that would be a...

And we are fairly well regarded in the community. So I think we could probably organize some help, too. Without a doubt, yeah. So if that's something that you'd like, that you have any interest in, we are right here. Very happy to help. If that is, of course, the real dog, the bounty hunter. And if it's not, can you let him know we said that? That'd be good. Yeah, that would be a...

Our lives have gotten weird, dude. They really have.

Our lives have gotten weird, dude. They really have.

I can see there is some heat being applied now. I think there was a bit of a lull, but Chris Proudfoot can't keep his mouth shut. He just can't.

I can see there is some heat being applied now. I think there was a bit of a lull, but Chris Proudfoot can't keep his mouth shut. He just can't.

narcissistic personality disorder is a criminal investigators best friend you just can't stop talking to the media to YouTube to whatever and interestingly the largest show by far to offer him a platform to come on and say his piece is right here I was going to say have we extended the official invitation yet we have several times on these live streams.

narcissistic personality disorder is a criminal investigators best friend you just can't stop talking to the media to YouTube to whatever and interestingly the largest show by far to offer him a platform to come on and say his piece is right here I was going to say have we extended the official invitation yet we have several times on these live streams.

We've done it in videos that we've posted, the recorded stuff. Chris, if I'm wrong, come tell me. Get on this show. You know, you don't even have to come here to Pennsylvania, but call in. Google Meet, Zoom, Skype, whatever. Come on in. Explain to me how I'm wrong. I will even be nice. I'll even be like, I will come at it with an open mind.

We've done it in videos that we've posted, the recorded stuff. Chris, if I'm wrong, come tell me. Get on this show. You know, you don't even have to come here to Pennsylvania, but call in. Google Meet, Zoom, Skype, whatever. Come on in. Explain to me how I'm wrong. I will even be nice. I'll even be like, I will come at it with an open mind.

If you can show me that you have the integrity to come and actually face-to-face speak to one of the people who is the most adamant that you are potentially responsible for, to put all the legal terms in there. If you have that integrity to come here, you're blunt, you're brash, you're honest, all that, come do it. I'm sitting right here.

If you can show me that you have the integrity to come and actually face-to-face speak to one of the people who is the most adamant that you are potentially responsible for, to put all the legal terms in there. If you have that integrity to come here, you're blunt, you're brash, you're honest, all that, come do it. I'm sitting right here.

You wouldn't be the first person that I dislike that I've had on this show who I've been kind to. Now, granted, if you go back and watch those episodes, the moment I have a reason not to be kind, I stop being kind.

You wouldn't be the first person that I dislike that I've had on this show who I've been kind to. Now, granted, if you go back and watch those episodes, the moment I have a reason not to be kind, I stop being kind.

God, my favorite thing is in that video. We won the debate in the first 10 minutes because we were like Antarctica. And he was like, yeah, well, I mean, if there's a 24 hour sun, then that would mean that the earth can't be flat. Then he just went to Antarctica like two weeks ago, saw a 24 hour sun. Oh, oh, has he said anything publicly yet? I don't think so.

God, my favorite thing is in that video. We won the debate in the first 10 minutes because we were like Antarctica. And he was like, yeah, well, I mean, if there's a 24 hour sun, then that would mean that the earth can't be flat. Then he just went to Antarctica like two weeks ago, saw a 24 hour sun. Oh, oh, has he said anything publicly yet? I don't think so.

I haven't seen any big statements from him. I think he's going to pivot to geocentrism. So the earth's round, but it's also the center of the universe. But anyway, with this specific case with Sebastian, I'm hoping that there will be some movement soon. I know that there were a lot of detractors when Dog got involved, but from what I've seen, he's been very diligent about this.

I haven't seen any big statements from him. I think he's going to pivot to geocentrism. So the earth's round, but it's also the center of the universe. But anyway, with this specific case with Sebastian, I'm hoping that there will be some movement soon. I know that there were a lot of detractors when Dog got involved, but from what I've seen, he's been very diligent about this.

Constantly updating things, constantly putting out information. And there's a number of other people on both sides. But I think at this point, the pressure needs to be on. Someone knows what happened to that kid because he didn't run out of that house. He did not leave that house on his own two feet. He just didn't. So, maybe we'll see.

Constantly updating things, constantly putting out information. And there's a number of other people on both sides. But I think at this point, the pressure needs to be on. Someone knows what happened to that kid because he didn't run out of that house. He did not leave that house on his own two feet. He just didn't. So, maybe we'll see.

My hope with this case, obviously, is that Sebastian is somehow found alive. But if not, I want that motherfucker brought to justice. Whether it's Chris or not. Just whoever did it. Do I think that there are other likely suspects? No. No.

My hope with this case, obviously, is that Sebastian is somehow found alive. But if not, I want that motherfucker brought to justice. Whether it's Chris or not. Just whoever did it. Do I think that there are other likely suspects? No. No.

If you are another likely suspect, please come on the show. I promise there won't be cops waiting outside. Well, considering the way you started the show. I don't think we know. No, we don't need cops. Exactly. That's my point. Listen, listen. I believe in the rule of law. Most of the time. I was going to say, where's that?

If you are another likely suspect, please come on the show. I promise there won't be cops waiting outside. Well, considering the way you started the show. I don't think we know. No, we don't need cops. Exactly. That's my point. Listen, listen. I believe in the rule of law. Most of the time. I was going to say, where's that?

However, coming in, uh, if the law refuses to do its job, then I think that there are discussions to be had, but that has to be like concrete. No questions. Like we have it on video. Yeah. Um, you know, like I don't approve of vigilante justice unless the, the reason it's necessary is blatant corruption. Um, looking at you, Luigi, uh,

However, coming in, uh, if the law refuses to do its job, then I think that there are discussions to be had, but that has to be like concrete. No questions. Like we have it on video. Yeah. Um, you know, like I don't approve of vigilante justice unless the, the reason it's necessary is blatant corruption. Um, looking at you, Luigi, uh,

I understand why you did what you did, but there were potentially better options.

I understand why you did what you did, but there were potentially better options.

Why, Gary? That's a that's a great example. Yeah. Although that was not necessary. That guy was going to prison, but I do totally get it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's. I get why Gary did what he did. Yep.

Why, Gary? That's a that's a great example. Yeah. Although that was not necessary. That guy was going to prison, but I do totally get it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's. I get why Gary did what he did. Yep.

um jody actually uh he and i had a quick interaction he went to penn state oh did he really did we talked on uh on youtube oh that's fun nice guy uh victim advocate from what i understand doing a lot of great things with uh with his life which is all you can really ask of somebody who has gone through what he went through yeah 100 so super super proud of jody for uh what he has been able to accomplish awesome

um jody actually uh he and i had a quick interaction he went to penn state oh did he really did we talked on uh on youtube oh that's fun nice guy uh victim advocate from what i understand doing a lot of great things with uh with his life which is all you can really ask of somebody who has gone through what he went through yeah 100 so super super proud of jody for uh what he has been able to accomplish awesome

I don't know how many we have today, but in the past few weeks, we've had a lot of Super Chats come in, which we are so thankful for that. We are so incredibly grateful. At the same time, the shows have been getting towards three hours long as a result. So we are going to start focusing on primarily the the most relevant super chats first, and then we're going to kind of cruise on down.

I don't know how many we have today, but in the past few weeks, we've had a lot of Super Chats come in, which we are so thankful for that. We are so incredibly grateful. At the same time, the shows have been getting towards three hours long as a result. So we are going to start focusing on primarily the the most relevant super chats first, and then we're going to kind of cruise on down.

And we get to a point where it's like 9 p.m. and there's 30 left and they're all, you know, silly or just, you know, nice little compliments like we very much appreciate it.

And we get to a point where it's like 9 p.m. and there's 30 left and they're all, you know, silly or just, you know, nice little compliments like we very much appreciate it.

Ah, really quickly, somebody did say that they Googled Brinks and they don't offer free security, but they do offer employee discounts.

Ah, really quickly, somebody did say that they Googled Brinks and they don't offer free security, but they do offer employee discounts.

Uh, but also it sounded, the evidence would suggest that they do have a security system.

Uh, but also it sounded, the evidence would suggest that they do have a security system.

Yes. We should have a discussion.

Yes. We should have a discussion.

I know what he's talking about. There is a potential we could go out to the Brandon Lawson site.

I know what he's talking about. There is a potential we could go out to the Brandon Lawson site.

That's true.

That's true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But either way, it would really just depend on our schedule and flight prices and things like that. But I think that would definitely be something we're interested in. I know I've said we need to talk about it. I've just been crazy busy. That never ends. I need an assistant.

But either way, it would really just depend on our schedule and flight prices and things like that. But I think that would definitely be something we're interested in. I know I've said we need to talk about it. I've just been crazy busy. That never ends. I need an assistant.

I did have a bit of an oopsie posting about the purchase. I just posted a picture of the revolver with the caption Merry Christmas to me on Twitter. People did not take it the way I intended. Yeah! I was like happy. I was like, oh, Merry Christmas to me. I got my I wanted a revolver. I found a revolver for a great price. You know, awesome. And everybody's like, Aiden, don't do it.

I did have a bit of an oopsie posting about the purchase. I just posted a picture of the revolver with the caption Merry Christmas to me on Twitter. People did not take it the way I intended. Yeah! I was like happy. I was like, oh, Merry Christmas to me. I got my I wanted a revolver. I found a revolver for a great price. You know, awesome. And everybody's like, Aiden, don't do it.

No, we like you too much. You're doing such a good job. I was like, it's fine, guys. I just got the revolver. I'm excited about it.

No, we like you too much. You're doing such a good job. I was like, it's fine, guys. I just got the revolver. I'm excited about it.

Evelyn Dick was a Canadian socialite suspected of killing her husband and son, although she never confessed to either crime. Served time for manslaughter from 47 to 58 and subsequently disappeared. Interesting. Offered a pardon under the royal prerogative of mercy in 1985. What is that?

Evelyn Dick was a Canadian socialite suspected of killing her husband and son, although she never confessed to either crime. Served time for manslaughter from 47 to 58 and subsequently disappeared. Interesting. Offered a pardon under the royal prerogative of mercy in 1985. What is that?

ah it is to withdraw or provide alternatives to death sentences apparently wait what the the pardon oh god i gotta get it interesting i wonder yeah dick had given birth three times and invented a man named norman white to conceal the identity of each baby's father Huh? Is this the same story?

ah it is to withdraw or provide alternatives to death sentences apparently wait what the the pardon oh god i gotta get it interesting i wonder yeah dick had given birth three times and invented a man named norman white to conceal the identity of each baby's father Huh? Is this the same story?

There was a... Her children were Peter David White, Heather Maria White, and a second daughter who was stillborn. The body in Dick's attic was identified as that of Peter David White. What was her name again? Evelyn. Evelyn. At the age of 24, McLean married, this is Evelyn, married John Dick, a 39-year-old man from a Mennonite family who migrated to Canada to escape the Russian Revolution.

There was a... Her children were Peter David White, Heather Maria White, and a second daughter who was stillborn. The body in Dick's attic was identified as that of Peter David White. What was her name again? Evelyn. Evelyn. At the age of 24, McLean married, this is Evelyn, married John Dick, a 39-year-old man from a Mennonite family who migrated to Canada to escape the Russian Revolution.

I'm not sure if Hanukkah is still happening, but Christmas is over. Well, if we're doing the 12 days of Christmas thing, it's still 12 days of Christmas. I always thought it was the 12 days leading up to Christmas. No, that was ABC Family's 12 days of Christmas.

I'm not sure if Hanukkah is still happening, but Christmas is over. Well, if we're doing the 12 days of Christmas thing, it's still 12 days of Christmas. I always thought it was the 12 days leading up to Christmas. No, that was ABC Family's 12 days of Christmas.

Did Tsarist Mennonites? Did this woman murder her Tsarist Mennonite husband? What? What? John, who also worked for the HSR, Hamilton Street Railway. Let's see. Threatened to explode Donald McLean's fraud. Wait, okay. Wow. Her father was an abusive alcoholic who collected firearms.

Did Tsarist Mennonites? Did this woman murder her Tsarist Mennonite husband? What? What? John, who also worked for the HSR, Hamilton Street Railway. Let's see. Threatened to explode Donald McLean's fraud. Wait, okay. Wow. Her father was an abusive alcoholic who collected firearms.

and was later found to have stolen $200,000. At the age of 24, McLean married John Dick. This is Evelyn McLean. She began... Okay. All right. John, who also worked for the HSR, threatened to expose Donald McLean's fraud. Evelyn began a relationship with a new boyfriend, Bill Bohazuk, days after her marriage, and separated from John within three months.

and was later found to have stolen $200,000. At the age of 24, McLean married John Dick. This is Evelyn McLean. She began... Okay. All right. John, who also worked for the HSR, threatened to expose Donald McLean's fraud. Evelyn began a relationship with a new boyfriend, Bill Bohazuk, days after her marriage, and separated from John within three months.

And then John Dick disappeared after another three months. After John was reported missing, a human torso was found on Hamilton Mountain near Albion Falls by five local children. The condition of the victim's testicles allowed him to be identified as John. I don't want to know what that means. His head and limbs had been sawn from his body. Ah. Wow.

And then John Dick disappeared after another three months. After John was reported missing, a human torso was found on Hamilton Mountain near Albion Falls by five local children. The condition of the victim's testicles allowed him to be identified as John. I don't want to know what that means. His head and limbs had been sawn from his body. Ah. Wow.

The event drew large crowds due to the grim nature of the crime. The revelation that Dick kept a black book with a record of all her sexual encounters. This this case has the best possible names for this case. Yeah, I got to say. So so we're going to have to do this. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, this is this is looking absolutely crazy. This is one of the wildest crimes I've ever read about.

The event drew large crowds due to the grim nature of the crime. The revelation that Dick kept a black book with a record of all her sexual encounters. This this case has the best possible names for this case. Yeah, I got to say. So so we're going to have to do this. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, this is this is looking absolutely crazy. This is one of the wildest crimes I've ever read about.

And I'm only reading the Wikipedia case page. She estimated that she slept with 150 men, most of whom were more wealthy than her husband. In court, she stated that one of those men was the judge's son. No way. This is shocking. Both of her lawyers, the one who unsuccessfully defended her, and the jury convicted her to death by hanging, which is hilarious. Wow. Yeah, Dick got hung.

And I'm only reading the Wikipedia case page. She estimated that she slept with 150 men, most of whom were more wealthy than her husband. In court, she stated that one of those men was the judge's son. No way. This is shocking. Both of her lawyers, the one who unsuccessfully defended her, and the jury convicted her to death by hanging, which is hilarious. Wow. Yeah, Dick got hung.

Yeah, I remember trying to do it with Isaiah. It was not easy. Yeah, no, not at all. He was scary good at it. He is terrifyingly good at that game. It makes sense. But still, anyway, also, it's weird when you're lefty.

Yeah, I remember trying to do it with Isaiah. It was not easy. Yeah, no, not at all. He was scary good at it. He is terrifyingly good at that game. It makes sense. But still, anyway, also, it's weird when you're lefty.

What year was this? The 40s? Yeah, Canada was a little behind. Yeah, apparently. But yeah, her first lawyer's name was JJ and her second lawyer's name was also JJ. She somehow was acquitted on appeal. Interesting. As part of the investigation, a partly mummified body of a male infant was found in Dick's attic encased in cement in an old suitcase.

What year was this? The 40s? Yeah, Canada was a little behind. Yeah, apparently. But yeah, her first lawyer's name was JJ and her second lawyer's name was also JJ. She somehow was acquitted on appeal. Interesting. As part of the investigation, a partly mummified body of a male infant was found in Dick's attic encased in cement in an old suitcase.

That is insane. She was sentenced to life in prison in 1947, but somehow paroled in 1958. That's what? How do you murder your husband and infant child? And then walk and then walk.

That is insane. She was sentenced to life in prison in 1947, but somehow paroled in 1958. That's what? How do you murder your husband and infant child? And then walk and then walk.

Yeah, we probably should at this point. We've got to get shirts that say allegedly on them. We should. Honestly, we should just get that as merch.

Yeah, we probably should at this point. We've got to get shirts that say allegedly on them. We should. Honestly, we should just get that as merch.

What if it said like,

What if it said like,

Yeah, I had to figure that one out. But anyway, we have an actual topic to talk about tonight. And that is, we have a Sebastian Rogers update video coming. There are some differences from how our content has worked in the past. We have never done this before, actually.

Yeah, I had to figure that one out. But anyway, we have an actual topic to talk about tonight. And that is, we have a Sebastian Rogers update video coming. There are some differences from how our content has worked in the past. We have never done this before, actually.

Yeah, that's crazy, especially since that's not even the worst somebody got whooped this weekend. Suck it, Dallas. 41-7. You let our backup backup quarterback put two touchdowns on you. I'm sorry, wait.

Yeah, that's crazy, especially since that's not even the worst somebody got whooped this weekend. Suck it, Dallas. 41-7. You let our backup backup quarterback put two touchdowns on you. I'm sorry, wait.

He proceeded to ball out and play through most of the game with broken ribs. I'm so glad that... He did the tush push and got a touchdown.

He proceeded to ball out and play through most of the game with broken ribs. I'm so glad that... He did the tush push and got a touchdown.

In week 18.

In week 18.

No, Hertz will be back for the playoffs. Are we sure? He has a mild concussion. He'll be back for the playoffs. Yeah, but like... Listen, if Pickett goes and wins the Super Bowl, I'm not going to be mad. I think it would be funny as hell. It'd be amazing. Especially if we did it to the Chiefs. Yes. If we somehow did to the Chiefs what we did to the Patriots...

No, Hertz will be back for the playoffs. Are we sure? He has a mild concussion. He'll be back for the playoffs. Yeah, but like... Listen, if Pickett goes and wins the Super Bowl, I'm not going to be mad. I think it would be funny as hell. It'd be amazing. Especially if we did it to the Chiefs. Yes. If we somehow did to the Chiefs what we did to the Patriots...

I think, you know, history would repeat itself and it would end their dynasty. So yeah. Root for picket boys. You're tired of the chiefs.

I think, you know, history would repeat itself and it would end their dynasty. So yeah. Root for picket boys. You're tired of the chiefs.

So when I was writing the video for this upcoming week, as you guys can imagine, writing and shooting a video the week of Christmas was not an ideal situation. It never is. It was not last year. It will not be in the future. And this time of year, our videos do not do very well in general. Except for apparently Fridays. Except for apparently Fridays. I'm still just at such a loss.

So when I was writing the video for this upcoming week, as you guys can imagine, writing and shooting a video the week of Christmas was not an ideal situation. It never is. It was not last year. It will not be in the future. And this time of year, our videos do not do very well in general. Except for apparently Fridays. Except for apparently Fridays. I'm still just at such a loss.

I'm getting back to streaming on Fridays. We're going to see how things develop from there. How'd it go this week? Good. It was like I never left. Nice. 200 viewers. Helldivers. It was good. Nice. It was great. It was nice.

I'm getting back to streaming on Fridays. We're going to see how things develop from there. How'd it go this week? Good. It was like I never left. Nice. 200 viewers. Helldivers. It was good. Nice. It was great. It was nice.

Awesome. Thank you. uh that is the gomb one from earlier ben potter for 4107 love the specific very specific number uh how we oh hey how we feeling about the eagles post-season chances go birds yeah i'm feeling good yeah i'm feeling good the fact that we were just able to win with our third string quarterback and not by just handing it to saquon barkley oh beautiful

Awesome. Thank you. uh that is the gomb one from earlier ben potter for 4107 love the specific very specific number uh how we oh hey how we feeling about the eagles post-season chances go birds yeah i'm feeling good yeah i'm feeling good the fact that we were just able to win with our third string quarterback and not by just handing it to saquon barkley oh beautiful

Yes. Thank you. Um, Barkley also just made a mess of the Cowboys defense. Shocker. It's Barkley. Did you see how close he is? No. What's the number? 105 yards. Seriously. 101 yards. Is that the regular season record or the regular season record? Okay. Here's the thing.

Yes. Thank you. Um, Barkley also just made a mess of the Cowboys defense. Shocker. It's Barkley. Did you see how close he is? No. What's the number? 105 yards. Seriously. 101 yards. Is that the regular season record or the regular season record? Okay. Here's the thing.

Even if you go by there being everybody's like, oh, well, all the Giants fans are coping with, you know, oh, well, Dickerson did it in 16 games. He did it in 374 carries. 379 carries. I believe Barkley is only at like 235. So, yeah.

Even if you go by there being everybody's like, oh, well, all the Giants fans are coping with, you know, oh, well, Dickerson did it in 16 games. He did it in 374 carries. 379 carries. I believe Barkley is only at like 235. So, yeah.

The yards per carry is way higher. Yards per carry is way higher. Yeah. Saquon's... My guess is they will probably ask him what he wants to do.

The yards per carry is way higher. Yards per carry is way higher. Yeah. Saquon's... My guess is they will probably ask him what he wants to do.

On Sunday. Against the Giants.

On Sunday. Against the Giants.

That makes sense. They'll basically be like, look, we're having a Super Bowl season. Obviously, we don't want you to get hurt. This might be your one chance to get that record. Yeah. Do you want to do it? That's my guess. Knowing Barkley, I think chances are he'll probably start the game, get the record, and then leave. I wouldn't blame him. Me neither. Yeah.

That makes sense. They'll basically be like, look, we're having a Super Bowl season. Obviously, we don't want you to get hurt. This might be your one chance to get that record. Yeah. Do you want to do it? That's my guess. Knowing Barkley, I think chances are he'll probably start the game, get the record, and then leave. I wouldn't blame him. Me neither. Yeah.

Especially because Gainwell can... Gainwell's as good as most starting backs in the NFL. So... Yeah. Barkley's just a monster. Yeah. It's phenomenal. Conversation is over, too.

Especially because Gainwell can... Gainwell's as good as most starting backs in the NFL. So... Yeah. Barkley's just a monster. Yeah. It's phenomenal. Conversation is over, too.

Henry is behind him by like 200 yards. Yeah.

Henry is behind him by like 200 yards. Yeah.

He's still a beast. No, I know. He might hit 2,000 this year. He might be number nine to do it.

He's still a beast. No, I know. He might hit 2,000 this year. He might be number nine to do it.

That's true. Obviously, there's going to be something. He also switched teams. He's on, you know... Him at the Colts was all time.

That's true. Obviously, there's going to be something. He also switched teams. He's on, you know... Him at the Colts was all time.

Titans just can't win.

Titans just can't win.

All right, well, we got more Super Chats.

All right, well, we got more Super Chats.

A bunch of Sebastian people probably. Hey, for those of you who maybe just joined, we are into our Super Chat section now. We did talk about Sebastian and some similarities to the JonBenet Ramsey case for most of the show. Highly recommend if you want to see that stuff going back and re-watching the stream. And if you got any questions now, feel free to Super Chat them in.

A bunch of Sebastian people probably. Hey, for those of you who maybe just joined, we are into our Super Chat section now. We did talk about Sebastian and some similarities to the JonBenet Ramsey case for most of the show. Highly recommend if you want to see that stuff going back and re-watching the stream. And if you got any questions now, feel free to Super Chat them in.

Whether it's $2 or $20, if it's relevant to the discussion at hand, we will answer it. Up through probably 9 o'clock p.m. Looks like a lot of people are saying Pearl's Flash Mob. Pearl's Flash Mob. I guess it's somebody named Pearl. Welcome, guys. How you doing? Thank you. If you have not seen our three-part series on Sebastian Rogers, we have a compiled version of it.

Whether it's $2 or $20, if it's relevant to the discussion at hand, we will answer it. Up through probably 9 o'clock p.m. Looks like a lot of people are saying Pearl's Flash Mob. Pearl's Flash Mob. I guess it's somebody named Pearl. Welcome, guys. How you doing? Thank you. If you have not seen our three-part series on Sebastian Rogers, we have a compiled version of it.

So there's going to be a one-part... Not one part, but a... This Friday, an episode is coming out that compiles all of our coverage of Sebastian Rogers into one three-hour episode. So if you haven't seen that and you want to take a look, please do. Happy to have you here. Hopefully the added attention puts more and more pressure on the people who need to be pressured.

So there's going to be a one-part... Not one part, but a... This Friday, an episode is coming out that compiles all of our coverage of Sebastian Rogers into one three-hour episode. So if you haven't seen that and you want to take a look, please do. Happy to have you here. Hopefully the added attention puts more and more pressure on the people who need to be pressured.

This happens once a year, by the way.

This happens once a year, by the way.

I got some cool stuff. I got a lot of rocks glasses. Oh, really? Somewhat concerning amount of rocks glasses. I might need to... Well, you do like bourbon. Yeah, in my family, if it's bourbon, it's not alcoholism, I guess. I wonder who you got that from. Nobody, I just said it myself. Yeah, fair. No, no, no, I meant the... Oh, Christian.

I got some cool stuff. I got a lot of rocks glasses. Oh, really? Somewhat concerning amount of rocks glasses. I might need to... Well, you do like bourbon. Yeah, in my family, if it's bourbon, it's not alcoholism, I guess. I wonder who you got that from. Nobody, I just said it myself. Yeah, fair. No, no, no, I meant the... Oh, Christian.

Christian and I love our bourbon, but... Yeah, a lot of rocks glasses. Got some other cool stuff too. I'm happy. It's a good Christmas.

Christian and I love our bourbon, but... Yeah, a lot of rocks glasses. Got some other cool stuff too. I'm happy. It's a good Christmas.

I was watching Brandon's video. The open bolt wasn't the problem. Not with the SIG, at least. With the Ruger, open bolt helps. A lot.

I was watching Brandon's video. The open bolt wasn't the problem. Not with the SIG, at least. With the Ruger, open bolt helps. A lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I did, but I didn't see a package. I'll go downstairs. You take Super Chats, and I'll be right back.

I did, but I didn't see a package. I'll go downstairs. You take Super Chats, and I'll be right back.

Yeah, we were very confused. But hey, whatever. It's good news. But yeah, so... because I had a shorter week and I was struggling to find a topic that I could devote the kind of attention to that I really liked to. I was like, all right, what if I cover something we've already covered, uh, that has, you know, maybe some updates to it. And Sebastian Rogers was, was the thing that fit.

Yeah, we were very confused. But hey, whatever. It's good news. But yeah, so... because I had a shorter week and I was struggling to find a topic that I could devote the kind of attention to that I really liked to. I was like, all right, what if I cover something we've already covered, uh, that has, you know, maybe some updates to it. And Sebastian Rogers was, was the thing that fit.

Anything related to the case at hand come in really quick.

Anything related to the case at hand come in really quick.

We did have one that was from about this. It's clutch them pearls. Justin told us you were live. We're Sebastian's army. Thank you for all you've done for Sebastian. Thank you. Thank you guys for coming to these things and help keeping his name out there. I think that this is... Oh, and one was, in your opinion, do you think this is from Honeybee for $4.99?

We did have one that was from about this. It's clutch them pearls. Justin told us you were live. We're Sebastian's army. Thank you for all you've done for Sebastian. Thank you. Thank you guys for coming to these things and help keeping his name out there. I think that this is... Oh, and one was, in your opinion, do you think this is from Honeybee for $4.99?

In your opinion, do you believe this case will come to a conclusion soon? Hashtag Sebastian's Army. I sure hope. The first one was Storybanks. I really hope so, guys. And there was another one that's from Sandy SST for $20. It says, we have seen all three. Thank you for keeping Sebastian's name alive. We are Sebastian's Army. Thank you, guys. I mean...

In your opinion, do you believe this case will come to a conclusion soon? Hashtag Sebastian's Army. I sure hope. The first one was Storybanks. I really hope so, guys. And there was another one that's from Sandy SST for $20. It says, we have seen all three. Thank you for keeping Sebastian's name alive. We are Sebastian's Army. Thank you, guys. I mean...

our, our only hope with bringing it up is that, you know, a rising tide raises all ships. You know, if a channel as big as us keeps talking about it, it'll keep the name out there. And hopefully the channels who talk about it more and get it, you know, the constant exposure can, can keep hammering.

our, our only hope with bringing it up is that, you know, a rising tide raises all ships. You know, if a channel as big as us keeps talking about it, it'll keep the name out there. And hopefully the channels who talk about it more and get it, you know, the constant exposure can, can keep hammering.

And, you know, as much as we are very strongly of the opinion that the proud foots are involved, if they're not, Well, the case being in the news keeps Sebastian's name out there, even for the person who is responsible if it's not them. Like I said, all I want is for that kid to be found alive.

And, you know, as much as we are very strongly of the opinion that the proud foots are involved, if they're not, Well, the case being in the news keeps Sebastian's name out there, even for the person who is responsible if it's not them. Like I said, all I want is for that kid to be found alive.

And if he's not, I just hope that whoever did it can be... Is that a call to violence if I say what I want to say? Most likely, yes. Yeah, probably. Anyway, I heard wood chippers are on sale lately.

And if he's not, I just hope that whoever did it can be... Is that a call to violence if I say what I want to say? Most likely, yes. Yeah, probably. Anyway, I heard wood chippers are on sale lately.

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There are not, interestingly enough, it seems like things are speeding up at the moment since we shot the video. So who knows, maybe in the next couple of months there will be a full Sebastian Rogers, you know, everything we've learned since August video. From what I was seeing, there wasn't a ton, but there are a few developments that I cover in that video.

There are not, interestingly enough, it seems like things are speeding up at the moment since we shot the video. So who knows, maybe in the next couple of months there will be a full Sebastian Rogers, you know, everything we've learned since August video. From what I was seeing, there wasn't a ton, but there are a few developments that I cover in that video.

The government is pretending that we didn't all see drones over New Jersey a couple of weeks ago, so... The world's getting weird enough as it is.

The government is pretending that we didn't all see drones over New Jersey a couple of weeks ago, so... The world's getting weird enough as it is.

It's earlier than I expected to be in the year. I think it's either April or May. Yeah, it might be over the summer, but I always for some reason think it's in October, and it's not.

It's earlier than I expected to be in the year. I think it's either April or May. Yeah, it might be over the summer, but I always for some reason think it's in October, and it's not.

fair i'll have to reach out to chad man the myth the legend himself who started that joke if we do it i'm gonna i'm gonna have to get him down here from i think uh connecticut i think even if we just did like one weekend day we could do it i think that's the problem we do have the the rewards that we still have yeah we still i still have to walk into a hot topic making a wearing a make when does he great again hat where are we gonna find one of them we're gonna have to have it made yeah yeah it's gonna have to be do we do a one-off or do we do a special run

fair i'll have to reach out to chad man the myth the legend himself who started that joke if we do it i'm gonna i'm gonna have to get him down here from i think uh connecticut i think even if we just did like one weekend day we could do it i think that's the problem we do have the the rewards that we still have yeah we still i still have to walk into a hot topic making a wearing a make when does he great again hat where are we gonna find one of them we're gonna have to have it made yeah yeah it's gonna have to be do we do a one-off or do we do a special run

I mean, probably a one-off. I worry that that one might be perceived as cultural appropriation by people who don't know who we are. If we, like, do an actual line of them. If it's one thing for a joke video that's posted, like, for free to Patreon. Cultural appropriation? When to go. Oh, I see. Gotta go.

I mean, probably a one-off. I worry that that one might be perceived as cultural appropriation by people who don't know who we are. If we, like, do an actual line of them. If it's one thing for a joke video that's posted, like, for free to Patreon. Cultural appropriation? When to go. Oh, I see. Gotta go.

There's a lot of people who don't watch our content and don't understand that the Wendussy thing is a joke that developed out of sincere coverage. Yep. might not go very well. I did see some more Sebastian ones come through as super chats.

There's a lot of people who don't watch our content and don't understand that the Wendussy thing is a joke that developed out of sincere coverage. Yep. might not go very well. I did see some more Sebastian ones come through as super chats.

Snag those.

Snag those.

While he does that, to quickly answer a question asked by... Who was it? EchoWarrior for 50. Thank you very much. He said, so Witless went to the North Pole, right? You know what? I'm sure they would have made that argument if they did this in... Well, obviously you can't do it at a different time of year, but...

While he does that, to quickly answer a question asked by... Who was it? EchoWarrior for 50. Thank you very much. He said, so Witless went to the North Pole, right? You know what? I'm sure they would have made that argument if they did this in... Well, obviously you can't do it at a different time of year, but...

Obviously, there's no 24-hour sun in the North Pole right now, so even the flat earthers have to accept that one. Anyways, question from Mattis. Can someone who doesn't believe in the Trinity as defined by the Council of Nicaea but believes in Jesus be Christian? I ask as a practicing Mormon and consider myself a Christian. Nicene Christians will say no.

Obviously, there's no 24-hour sun in the North Pole right now, so even the flat earthers have to accept that one. Anyways, question from Mattis. Can someone who doesn't believe in the Trinity as defined by the Council of Nicaea but believes in Jesus be Christian? I ask as a practicing Mormon and consider myself a Christian. Nicene Christians will say no.

They will say that if you do not believe Jesus and God are one unified being, then you are not Christian. You're something else.

They will say that if you do not believe Jesus and God are one unified being, then you are not Christian. You're something else.

I think there's a couple of tiny Oriental Orthodox churches, I think. And then you have, I think, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons. and a few other sects, Mormons would definitely be the largest and most culturally accepted group. But, you know, I put it this way. I think that if your goal is to follow Christ, you're most of the way there. A lot of Catholics would say Protestants aren't Christian.

I think there's a couple of tiny Oriental Orthodox churches, I think. And then you have, I think, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons. and a few other sects, Mormons would definitely be the largest and most culturally accepted group. But, you know, I put it this way. I think that if your goal is to follow Christ, you're most of the way there. A lot of Catholics would say Protestants aren't Christian.

And then, so that we weren't just giving you guys like a 20 to 30 minute video, we decided we're going to tag on the entire series into the video. So it is one very long, probably about three hours long, uh, documentary on Sebastian Rogers that starts with sort of a summary of the case, which also goes over the updates. Um,

And then, so that we weren't just giving you guys like a 20 to 30 minute video, we decided we're going to tag on the entire series into the video. So it is one very long, probably about three hours long, uh, documentary on Sebastian Rogers that starts with sort of a summary of the case, which also goes over the updates. Um,

A lot of Protestants would say Catholics aren't Christian. I think that the Nicene community gangs up on Mormons because we all disagree with them. But I don't think that you are. I would personally say no, Mormons aren't Christian. They are Christian adjacent Christians. But that isn't a reason for me to dislike Mormons. I have no problem with Mormons. We have theological differences.

A lot of Protestants would say Catholics aren't Christian. I think that the Nicene community gangs up on Mormons because we all disagree with them. But I don't think that you are. I would personally say no, Mormons aren't Christian. They are Christian adjacent Christians. But that isn't a reason for me to dislike Mormons. I have no problem with Mormons. We have theological differences.

I have theological differences with the Catholic Church as well. But to answer your question, yeah, most Nicene Christians would tell you no. Mormonism is not Christian. It's something else. In my opinion, it's It's probably close enough that God will get it if you are a believer. For those who don't know, I am practicing Christian.

I have theological differences with the Catholic Church as well. But to answer your question, yeah, most Nicene Christians would tell you no. Mormonism is not Christian. It's something else. In my opinion, it's It's probably close enough that God will get it if you are a believer. For those who don't know, I am practicing Christian.

Currently deciding whether or not I want to go join the Orthodox or the Episcopalian Church. Episcopal Church, sorry. But yeah, to be gentle about it, yes. I think that Mormons consider themselves Christian. I understand that. Other Christians don't consider Mormons to be Christian. But it's about as close as you can get for the most part.

Currently deciding whether or not I want to go join the Orthodox or the Episcopalian Church. Episcopal Church, sorry. But yeah, to be gentle about it, yes. I think that Mormons consider themselves Christian. I understand that. Other Christians don't consider Mormons to be Christian. But it's about as close as you can get for the most part.

There's just a few things in there that you're like, oh, wait, what? Honestly, I think that the Trinitarian difference is not quite as stark as the afterlife difference between Mormonism and Christianity.

There's just a few things in there that you're like, oh, wait, what? Honestly, I think that the Trinitarian difference is not quite as stark as the afterlife difference between Mormonism and Christianity.

Oh, well, this is a one-two punch for the people who get mad at me for... being a rather liberal Christian about what's considered Christianity. Uh, yeah, I mean, I, I would say, see how it, uh, squares with, with your faith, your chosen sect. If you are a Christian, some of them are an absolute no on it. Uh, others are sometimes pro Mason. Some are anti Mason. Some are neutral. Um, but,

Oh, well, this is a one-two punch for the people who get mad at me for... being a rather liberal Christian about what's considered Christianity. Uh, yeah, I mean, I, I would say, see how it, uh, squares with, with your faith, your chosen sect. If you are a Christian, some of them are an absolute no on it. Uh, others are sometimes pro Mason. Some are anti Mason. Some are neutral. Um, but,

personally i have found masonry to be a good experience i it has given me a an additional community that i can lean on and it is something that should i choose to stick with it over the years obviously if i decide to join the orthodox church i can't remain a mason um but really yeah why uh it's banned it's not allowed For what reason, are you able to say?

personally i have found masonry to be a good experience i it has given me a an additional community that i can lean on and it is something that should i choose to stick with it over the years obviously if i decide to join the orthodox church i can't remain a mason um but really yeah why uh it's banned it's not allowed For what reason, are you able to say?

I mean, in my opinion, it's the same misconception that Catholics have. The Orthodoxy only banned it recently, like the 50s. I mean, recently in the grand scheme of things. The way I have seen it over and over again is that it's not those first three degrees. that anybody really has a problem with. I mean, the Catholics did because it wasn't Catholic and you know, God forbid. Yeah.

I mean, in my opinion, it's the same misconception that Catholics have. The Orthodoxy only banned it recently, like the 50s. I mean, recently in the grand scheme of things. The way I have seen it over and over again is that it's not those first three degrees. that anybody really has a problem with. I mean, the Catholics did because it wasn't Catholic and you know, God forbid. Yeah.

I, that was the 1700s though. Most of what I see when it comes to Freemasonry is that there is this understanding outside of Masonry that Albert Pike matters and, Whereas if you ask the average Freemason, especially those from north of the Mason-Dixon line, they don't care what Albert Pike thinks. What he said doesn't matter.

I, that was the 1700s though. Most of what I see when it comes to Freemasonry is that there is this understanding outside of Masonry that Albert Pike matters and, Whereas if you ask the average Freemason, especially those from north of the Mason-Dixon line, they don't care what Albert Pike thinks. What he said doesn't matter.

And if you ask Masons outside of the United States, particularly in England and Scotland, they'll be like, who? What are you talking about? Who's out what? Yeah. I've seen some interesting stuff. An Orthodox Christian told me that the Templars have the same weird stuff as the... the Scottish right, the Southern jurisdiction of the Scottish right does then French Masonry is just nonsense.

And if you ask Masons outside of the United States, particularly in England and Scotland, they'll be like, who? What are you talking about? Who's out what? Yeah. I've seen some interesting stuff. An Orthodox Christian told me that the Templars have the same weird stuff as the... the Scottish right, the Southern jurisdiction of the Scottish right does then French Masonry is just nonsense.

It's not even Freemasonry. Um, and I'd argue anything that's derived from French Masonry has the same inherent flaws. If you're wondering why he has these opinions, watch our video on Freemasonry. Yes. Um, we have the video on Freemasonry. I myself am a fourth degree mark master Mason. Um, I, at this point, There are things I don't like and things that I like.

It's not even Freemasonry. Um, and I'd argue anything that's derived from French Masonry has the same inherent flaws. If you're wondering why he has these opinions, watch our video on Freemasonry. Yes. Um, we have the video on Freemasonry. I myself am a fourth degree mark master Mason. Um, I, at this point, There are things I don't like and things that I like.

And so, you know, what I wanted to say is if you are a regular viewer and you're going, ah, well, I've already seen that. First of all, the update is worth it. There is new information. But also, if you could watch the whole thing or at least leave it on, we'd appreciate it. We don't want YouTube to hate us. You know, it's... I know that's maybe a little, a weird request, but that is my Chris.

And so, you know, what I wanted to say is if you are a regular viewer and you're going, ah, well, I've already seen that. First of all, the update is worth it. There is new information. But also, if you could watch the whole thing or at least leave it on, we'd appreciate it. We don't want YouTube to hate us. You know, it's... I know that's maybe a little, a weird request, but that is my Chris.

Freemasonry. The first three degrees, great. They're... what came about when the order was explicitly Christian. There is no way to look at them and see them as anti-Christian. There is nothing that is conflicted with my values. And everything that I did go through to attain that degree, that third degree, and even the fourth one, was, in my opinion, good.

Freemasonry. The first three degrees, great. They're... what came about when the order was explicitly Christian. There is no way to look at them and see them as anti-Christian. There is nothing that is conflicted with my values. And everything that I did go through to attain that degree, that third degree, and even the fourth one, was, in my opinion, good.

I don't think that... I mean, there was nothing that was contradictory to my faith. There was nothing that was contradictory to my morality. It was just about being a better man. And so that side of Freemasonry is what I really like. I think that holding the entire organization accountable to the beliefs of a specific sect is kind of silly. It's kind of like saying, you know...

I don't think that... I mean, there was nothing that was contradictory to my faith. There was nothing that was contradictory to my morality. It was just about being a better man. And so that side of Freemasonry is what I really like. I think that holding the entire organization accountable to the beliefs of a specific sect is kind of silly. It's kind of like saying, you know...

All Christians are like culty because of Jehovah's Witnesses. It doesn't make sense. But, you know, I'm not dogmatic. I'm not the kind of person who's going to go through it and, you know, ignore stuff if I don't like it. I'm also not the kind of person who is going to believe things if I find no evidence of them. So I plan to become a Templar.

All Christians are like culty because of Jehovah's Witnesses. It doesn't make sense. But, you know, I'm not dogmatic. I'm not the kind of person who's going to go through it and, you know, ignore stuff if I don't like it. I'm also not the kind of person who is going to believe things if I find no evidence of them. So I plan to become a Templar.

Plan to go all the way through, and if I get there, and they're like, oh yeah, so God's name's actually Jobulon, and he's the Angel of Light. I'm gonna be like, okay, see ya guys, bye. Not sure what this is about.

Plan to go all the way through, and if I get there, and they're like, oh yeah, so God's name's actually Jobulon, and he's the Angel of Light. I'm gonna be like, okay, see ya guys, bye. Not sure what this is about.

I feel like they would have put it in there before the 1790s. Because if the whole thing is that masonry is a direct successor to the Templars, and that's something the Templars uncovered in the Temple of Solomon... There's a discussion to be had.

I feel like they would have put it in there before the 1790s. Because if the whole thing is that masonry is a direct successor to the Templars, and that's something the Templars uncovered in the Temple of Solomon... There's a discussion to be had.

In my opinion, it's more likely that as we see from the late 18th and much of the 19th century, you had a bunch of people who archaeology and history were just becoming a thing. Which is nuts that those disciplines are that new. Yeah. Oh, up until like the 1820s, history was a hobby for the rich.

In my opinion, it's more likely that as we see from the late 18th and much of the 19th century, you had a bunch of people who archaeology and history were just becoming a thing. Which is nuts that those disciplines are that new. Yeah. Oh, up until like the 1820s, history was a hobby for the rich.

It was like you read Tacitus, you read Xenophon, you read Caesar, and you wrote your opinion about what they did. You didn't really question it. There wasn't a ton of historiography. There wasn't a ton of that going on. Historiography, historicism, these various schools of thought that are more academic, more scientific, those start to develop in the 1820s. So, in my opinion...

It was like you read Tacitus, you read Xenophon, you read Caesar, and you wrote your opinion about what they did. You didn't really question it. There wasn't a ton of historiography. There wasn't a ton of that going on. Historiography, historicism, these various schools of thought that are more academic, more scientific, those start to develop in the 1820s. So, in my opinion...