Chris Proudfoot
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The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, I know you've been looking forward to this for several weeks.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Sorry, just confirming whether or not the Seth R. Rogers interview is actually.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, no, because the first video that we did was basically the summarization of essentially that first 24 hours in prime focus to Sebastian. What happened, where he might have gone, the search effort, not really anything tangential in terms of history of the people involved or theories about what may or may not have happened or what may happen down the line. Exactly.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I didn't like it. I did not like what I was seeing. Well, that's the thing. Some of the things that you mentioned here about drama with the families and such like that, a lot of what we did in the subsequent videos and what you highlighted with his history, with Katie's history... at least to my understanding and the way we went to present it, was this wasn't about the drama of the family. No.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
This was important context to figure out motive of who and why Sebastian was either kidnapped or how he got lost. It's all context to help the search. It's not drama for the sake of drama.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a very good point.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Plus, when we first messaged them about this, they did say it was going to take some time. Yeah.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Well, especially with all the hiking we were doing. Yeah. Gatlinburg's options for breakfast, lunch, and dinner do not very well coincide with multi-day hikes.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
No, we exclusively shop for Winchester chic.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, it's a thing entirely out of spite.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Well, and you pretty explicitly went through the details of the reasons for that in both the original videos that we made and the most recent compilation we just did.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I think that's a case we should revisit in the near future.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
There's another Netflix one coming out on it?
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Give a little context about that with you in the beginning.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Based on everything you've covered about, we've learned nothing. Well, not just that, but this this seems to very much not be an instance of like the Miami Day shooting for the FBI. It seems like this happened and nobody learned anything. Nobody even tried to learn anything.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, you're not going to do that if you want to successfully do what you need to do.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I gotta say, I'm surprised that you think Jameson actually has the stuff they say they have.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
what's in the transcript you said that there have not been any mentions of this interview anywhere else there are i just hadn't come across them yet got it oh that's right in kohler's book you said there was one because i was gonna say it was like are we even sure this interview actually happened it did actually that was my thinking too as i saw it i was like i have found nothing about this it happened uh just nobody's ever released the full transcript it's shocking to me considering i get why kohler didn't because yeah he's law enforcement jameson's just a person
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
But so, when were the first interviews with John and Patsy? April 30th, 1997. So how'd they manage to get an interview with Burke?
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I don't know. Video title to me sounds like the woman who threw the JonBenet Ramsey case, essentially. I mean, it's just rough title, but sounds like a good video.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I mean, to me, it sounds like there's two options. One is that, really, there's three, but I consider it unlikely the third option. What do you think they are? The three things I think are likely to happen, the two most likely, are one... We get sued. Yeah, we'll probably get sued no matter what. But the first one being that the information somehow...
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Is not able to be released because it's too vital.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yes. It's refused to be released primarily because it probably doesn't exist.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yep. So I think one is that the information is not released because it doesn't exist. Ah, that's possible. Yep. I think the second option is that it is not released because of some reason. I'm sure it'll be really thorough, but also really BS.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
And then the third option is that the information is released and all of the hypotheses and suggestions previously made will be almost immediately recognized to be false or at least heavily misleading.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah. I can't wait till we get to that episode. I'm so excited. Considering how many things that Netflix, I am still looking forward to it.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
As a film person, it pains me. It pains me to say that about Netflix, because I know people who've worked there. There are a lot of great people who work there.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
You would think also, do want to point out that it's a little weird to have security cameras inside your house, but not also outside.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Well, because people don't do their research or their due diligence.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
yeah um well because also like acknowledging when you're wrong only positively affects your career if you figure out that you're wrong and you're saying oh my bad what what do you remember jfk for most i mean other than that one thing other than that one thing uh well there was also the element of him wanting to get rid of the cia and that too all right let me put it this way what was the thing they hammered into our heads about jfk in high school he was catholic
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I think we'd all have some respect for the guy. I was quail hunting with Chaney. I didn't want to risk it.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Well, nobody has accountability anymore because it affects their bottom line.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Oh, no, no, no. But psychologically, it makes perfect sense. Because the moment she gives away the information, she's no longer special and has no longer any voice in the matter.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I'm convinced from everything that you've said tonight that she has none of the information, that none of it was ever even remotely given to the public, but because it was never given to the public, she's confident in being able to say she has it because no one's ever going to get access to it. That is possible.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Well, that actually directly correlates with the first relevant Super Chat that we got. Oh, what was it? That Super Chat was from Anonymous13 for $1.99 saying, are you guys open to and or allowed to share case files?
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, understandably so. Yeah, Kellen made a point about how unusual it is to have cameras inside but not outside. Weird.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Every case that we cover that is in relation to the parents or step-parents, whoever is relevant, being suspects versus not, the biggest difference is who they talk to first in the sense of do they talk to and cooperate with the authorities prior to the media, if the media at all, or do they go running to the media first? And specifically, if they do go into the media...
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
how they react to questions, and what kind of information they provide, and what the focus is. Because anytime anyone is cagey about anything, it already begins to be suspicious.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
And anytime people generally seem to not be guilty, whether in the moment or later after the fact we find out it definitely wasn't them, extremely forward, extremely upfront, really nothing held back unless it was something completely irrelevant to the case.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
And that's a key point. And then fighting it for four months. I think it's also a key point to recognize is like, it's not bad to have lawyers in the room with you because there are great police officers and cops out there and there are not so great police officers and cops out there. And there are people who want a case closed more than they want the right person behind bars. True.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
So especially in those instances, it's important to have your lawyers there so a lazy detective doesn't incriminate you because they don't feel like doing this job. The problem is that depending on how well you know your local area or not, it's almost impossible to know ahead of time what kind of law enforcement you're dealing with. So it's a safe bet to have them there.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Tip of the tongue, the lips. Yeah.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
See you in an interview. Take a look. Isolated, totally isolated for the last five days. Is it this? Well, we were fortunate. Well, we were fortunate from almost the moment that we found the note to be surrounded by friends, our minister, our family, our doctor, a personal friend of mine who is an attorney, and we relied on their guidance almost from that moment and on.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
My friend suggested it would be foolish not to have knowledgeable counsel to help both us And to help both us and with the investigation. Oh, to both help us and with the investigation. Got it. Okay. Yeah. There's the one right below that. Okay. John saying, not because we're angry, but because we have got to go on. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
No, it should be furious, seething, cannot wait to find the monster who did this. Yeah. Like a variety of things much greater than anger.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
It is shocking to me just how frequently this pattern comes across in not just with Mm-hmm. That are totally irrelevant to status. Yep. Like church, like giving in charitable circumstances.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Also, speaking of Seth, a little earlier in the chat, there was a super chat about it. He was asking if we could send over the files that we have on the case.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, if you could just send an email at thelorelodge at gmail.com, that way we know where to send it to.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
why i'm suspicious so yeah i will absolutely share that i just i just need to know where to send it nice uh yeah before we go to the next super chat i guess so just wrapping up that element about the ramses in particular and with the interviews what is your overall goal slash hope for the video that we're going to be filming this friday coming out next friday about the interviews
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
All right. Next chat that would be relevant is from Cam Boone, who's been a member for 20 months. Damn, thank you. Thank you very much. Says, true crime podcasts be like content rules everything around me, which has a nice little fun acronym. Get the money dollar dollar bills, y'all.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Some like literally directly reached out to us, i.e. the Petito case.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
yeah no that makes sense uh holding karen's for five dollars said hey aiden just asking but what is the likelihood that sebastian was trafficked and if so what would be the potential chances of finding him so i would say him being trafficked is more on the unlikely side uh do i think it's a possibility yes unfortunately
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Next is for $10 is saying, which case do you think was handled worse? The Ramsey case or the Rogers case?
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I would love to see whether it's us sometime down the line or somebody else capable and interested in this case in particular, do a specific deep dive on Alex Hunter. Because we've covered some of the stuff about him, but even just the surface level elements that show his blatant attempts to skirt justice in order to make his life easier is shocking.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
So also sounds like a clear case of obstruction of justice.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Oh yeah, I guess most of the conversation we've had about him has been outside of the... You thought the way I laid into Deputy D.A.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I think it's you then. I think it's you that needs to do the D.A. that derailed the Ramsey case.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
maybe i'll see i'll see how maybe he deserves it he's an old man i don't know if he's even still alive but we'll see patrick kneely for five dollars is saying conspiracy time what if all these people are being paid off to mislead the true facts of the case by doing misleading true crime podcasts chris probfoot doesn't have that kind of money but we know somebody who does who
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
We'll see. I'd be really curious to see a conversation between you and Chris. I mean, obviously us and Chris, but primarily you and Chris in a very similar way as to how the conversation with Austin ended up going.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Considering the history of this case and who he's talked to and how many people he's talked to, I'd be shocked if he didn't.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I don't think I've ever wanted somebody to come on the show more.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I was going to say, coming from somebody who owns a truck and knows way too many details about their truck, I can't imagine not even knowing the year.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Everybody keeps saying talk about his truck. I'm talking about his truck, all right. Brother, I have a 1989 F-350. I know way too many things about it. I've done work to it myself. I'm officially at a point where I'm in a position where I'm getting work done to it because it's above my pay grade. Oh, yeah.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
uh, such as, you know, getting a new engine and, and doing a whole turbo swap and making it a four by all these fun things. Uh, primarily because I wanted a truck that is going to be durable, last a long time. That's why I chose the 89 F three 50. You know what?
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
People are loving the shade right now. People are losing it. Especially probably considering most of the stuff that we've done about this case in the past has been very professional. Oh, yeah, no.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Our resident fed who has given us some wonderful Navy memorabilia. He really has.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I'm impressed he got the E6.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Well, considering what we understand about how he raised Sebastian, he definitely likes pushing buttons. That's true.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Nothing wrong with it being a little plus size, but he's an exception.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yes. He's like the from The Walking Dead, the like blur zombie. Yeah, exactly. Should be that for Halloween. No, Halloween's the one day where he doesn't have to wear a mask. Oh, we do have another one from Cameron Pike for five dollars, which admittedly they say is a little bit of a weird question.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Do you have a Bible translation for those of us too dumb for KJV? I know it's unrelated, but weird Bible seems to be in hiatus.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
We have another one that's kind of another case recommendation. It seems like a series of recommendations, actually, from Holding Cairns for $5 saying, have either of you heard about Hinterkaifeck or the two Dutch girls who went missing in Panama or this man who went missing in a Swiss village?
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I'll tell you in one second. It was H-I-N-T-E-R-K-A-I-F-E-C-K. Hinterkaifeck.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Patrick Mignoli for $5 said, to add some humor, if the Ramseys went to Atlanta, does that mean that the devil went down to Georgia?
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
uh elena suspects that the uh i believe she said the randys but i believe she meant the ramsays uh did it they spent so long dodging the police uh you know why not just do the interview even with your lawyers especially nowadays for me honestly that's the big one that is that is the big one is i get not doing the interviews like without lawyers present why not do them with the lawyers present there's no good reason
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. Ryan, for 8.32, saying we're not angry, we're just disappointed, or we just got to move on, is like saying you're not angry, you're disappointed, almost like talking to a child, which is an interesting point to point out.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Oh, I that was referring specifically to Chris. Oh, sorry. I thought that you said Randy Ramsey.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah. No, you're good. Which interesting, though, relevant. I'm curious to see how that pans out. But no, Ryan was specifically saying we're not angry. We just got to move on. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Oh, I thought that was Chris said. No, no, that was move on.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Somebody had mentioned earlier that Chris also had said, we just want to move on. So that's where I got.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, that's what mixed me up.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
uh jamo is asking if we could do a team fortress 2 lore vid at some point for the fun of it maybe it would definitely be lighter than most of the stuff also thank you for everything else you've sent but just by the nature of you know time and all that stuff we can't get to it now but we did read it we did enjoy it thank you and that goes for everybody that we haven't read aloud yet uh it's primarily just we're keeping things as focused as possible oh
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
uh birch mccallum for canadian 699 is saying hey fellas you always make fun of the rcmp if you want weird crazy and shady check out the port-a-peak shootings in nova scotia i will happily do that port-a-peak yes it's an interesting uh spelling there you'll have to put that in i shall here let me add that actually there's there's a bunch of recent ish uh canadian cases i want to look at too when i get a chance
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one of these days the RCMP is really going to be mad at me and on that day I will celebrate yeah hopefully it's sooner than later Sunspire Cryptid for I believe another Canadian $10 says the fact that Chris Brownfoot said he had information that would stop people for looking for an actual child speaks more than anything how little he cares about him we don't care what he did we want him home
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, honestly, it doesn't really make sense to me what he might be insinuating there. Because there's really, I mean, granted, this is really good credence to him being a horrible stepfather. But like, there's nothing that a child really could do that should make any parent say, yeah, we don't want him home in that instance. Yeah. Aside from maybe trying to harm your other children.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Oh, I can easily picture that as well. Yeah.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Next super chat from my wife for 739. Yeah, 733. Sorry. And it's fun saying, remember, Aiden's Freemasons are seen as cultists. If he wants a quick win in the public's opinion, he'll throw that out. Be ready for it.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
We're coming up on the end here. Kellen, let me know what your hernia situation is in terms of what the surgery is they're going to have for you to repair it. Because I've had one since junior year of college that I haven't done anything with that I really should. And I was just talking about that over the weekend that I really should kind of get that fixed.
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
You probably should get the hernia fixed. When I went to the doctor, they were like, it's small. You don't need any surgery right now. Eventually you will. I would do it. You have insurance. Yeah, it was more along the lines of the methods. Well, no, it was the methods for repairing it were not great at the time.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
And so both the doctor and my parents were like, wait 10 years and see if it improves. Weird. They would go in and put like this mesh in there and it just, it would kind of, there were people who would have the mesh degrade because it's an upper abdominal one. It is small because my abdominal muscles have always been pretty weak.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Yeah. I actually found out in high school, sorry, minor tangent here. We were doing a bunch of exercises for water polo and we were in the weight room and the lifting coach was in there and I stopped him. I like brought him aside. It was like, hey, just wanted to clarify something. Every time we do an ab exercise, I feel it in the top of my legs and not really in my abs.
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So he had me lay on a bench press bench and do a couple of movements. And after about 30 seconds, he was like, I genuinely have never seen anything like this before in my life. And I was like, well, what does that mean? And he said, your body has found a way to bypass your abdomen in terms of stabilization muscles. It's activated, but nowhere near as much as it should be. And I was like, really?
The Lore Lads
When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
What can I do about that? And he's like, I have a doctorate in this. I have no idea. So, yeah. Yeah, a little tidbit of my history there. There's a reason my lower back is always really stiff, and it's because it's overcompensating for the lack of strength in my abdomen.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
And then we've got a few other ones. Somebody's asking if we're ever going to get a lizard people conspiracy video.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
somebody's asking Alyssa Snodgrass is asking us if we've heard of the Alyssa Turney case similar to the Chris Brownfoot to the stepfather in that case both made the children seem bad like it's their fault Alyssa Turney see and then 2001 Phoenix area she was 17
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Yeah, that'd be great. And then lastly from Yowit for $5 saying, I've been watching for a while and I must say I love y'all's content. Also, I had two hernias when I was four and six and I was just talking about it with my wife. Weird. Thank you. And thank you to everybody else.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Technically, they're just outside the inside outside.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
I know. But yeah, thank you for everybody who has sent stuff in tonight. We're sorry that we were unable to get to all of them, but we are trying to focus on keeping these.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
generally under two hours if we can moving forward uh that is the main reason for the prioritization of things being relevant uh but nonetheless thank you to everybody who sent things otherwise uh it is greatly appreciated uh especially gomb and jmo sending you guys send a lot of stuff and we appreciate all of it trust me we we read them and we enjoy some of them we just can't read yes yeah not not allowed on this show not at not at this stage
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It's about two years ago. We've gotten too serious. Yeah, we've gotten too serious with things.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Gom is saying, miss the goofy.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Maybe we'll start doing a Lickerd Lore segment where we go through all of the heinous super chats from the previous month.
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No, segment. Okay, yeah. Segment, yeah.
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That's all we can ever hope doing this show. I mean, it's shocking that we've gotten this far just considering how it started and the fact that most of our life outside of this hasn't really changed. Yeah, that's the weird part. Yeah.
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You mentioned it a little bit.
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I'm excited to get back into 411. Yeah. I was surprised that I missed it as much as I did. Yeah.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Just to clarify, Bennett published this book, Susan Bennett, Susan Bennett, real name Jameson.
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Yeah, but you do that so frequently, it should be quick.
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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154
Huzzah. And not just a cult, but the reason that confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. And cognitive dissonance, both. He hit the wrong button. No, it's just my pinky grazed the touchpad.
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Oh, yeah. There have been a few times where I've been like, I have been digging for this and I cannot find it. I'll go to the Discord and ask if anybody else can find it because they might not be able to. But it's better to ask in case someone does. Yeah. So, no, I just I wish people would just do the right thing with it instead of keeping it themselves.
The Lore Lads
"Look At The Parents" | Podcast Episode 153
I know sometimes they think they're doing it for the right reason. I know law enforcement has this idea that the general public can't be trusted with things like that. But the fact of the matter is it has been... 12 months or no, 10 months.
The Lore Lads
"Look At The Parents" | Podcast Episode 153
Uh, so all you're doing by releasing only a small portion of it is people are going to say, oh, well that was edited to, you know, make it look worse, which granted, like you look at the video and there are some weird things, you know, Katie at one point is like looking around the room, looking like she's looking for somebody.
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"Look At The Parents" | Podcast Episode 153
And for longer than you might look for the waiter, like when you're at a restaurant and you can't find your waiter, you go, where's my, where's my waiter? Like for like a second and a half and you're like, ah, it'll come by. Um, now granted Katie herself might be on the spectrum. Um,
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no yeah it's weird everybody just started watching it in december and then as soon as january hit it's back to disney and nickelodeon and cartoon network um no i don't so i don't i did think you know we're going to get into the the meat and potatoes this episode and i do have some important things to say about this upcoming friday's episode i because it is going to be an update on the sebastian rogers case and i'll just i'll start it here i because i you know
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"Look At The Parents" | Podcast Episode 153
So, in fact, I wouldn't be shocked if she was, based on everything that came out through those three episodes, just how she behaves, some of her mannerisms. Just weird. Not weird in, like, in her case, in a negative way, but I don't mean to say that autism is weird. Just, like, there's stuff that's off about her, and you're like, what's going on here?
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"Look At The Parents" | Podcast Episode 153
And knowing Sebastian is as well, you know, it's possible autism can be heritable. So... Yeah, I don't want to give too much away about what is in the video, but I wanted to get into kind of what I was talking about with the thumbnail of this. And the title, Look at the Parents.
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Because as I was looking through all of the Sebastian Rogers material, the thing that I kept coming back to is I was like, how at no point did they really look at the parents? Because this... There's so many parallels with JonBenet Ramsey. And this isn't even me saying that Jon and Patsy did it. I think they're responsible. I think they know exactly what happened that night.
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And they're just not coming forward about it. Because it either implicates them or implicates Burke. I was under the impression... That the mistakes made by the police... Of which there were many. Everybody dogs on the police in this case... For the most part, it is undeserved. But there are a few things that the police, just common sense, should have known better.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah. But my understanding was that that case led to a lot of changes in standard operating procedure. That the errors made during the JonBenet-Ramsey initial investigation were then fixed. Or at least, they attempted to fix them. But I look at JonBenet and, you know, they... Nobody was really properly recording police movements throughout the house.
The Lore Lads
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You know, the parents were kind of allowed to be out of sight. You know, the call comes in around the same time in the morning. The family had the house professionally cleaned not long after this happened. There's just, I mean, point after point after point after point. Apparently there, even though Katie works for, was it, it wasn't ADT, was it? I think it was. Brinks. It was Brinks.
The Lore Lads
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So even though Katie works for Brinks Home Security and has a Brinks van that sits in their driveway that she oddly would not, like, was cagey about telling people. She was like, I don't know if we can say what kind of van it was. And it's like, I went in and I found the exact van. It was like a Dodge something. And I posted it. I was like, this is what Brinks uses. It's uniform.
The Lore Lads
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Why would you not just say that? Like, you're lying because you think you have things to hide. Um, cause at this point they, and that's the other thing, um, with, with the Ramses, they had attorneys immediately, um, Which, granted, you know, I can understand that the advice is typically lawyer up if you might be a suspect.
The Lore Lads
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The problem with them is that they kept refusing to do interviews even with their attorneys present. We haven't even got to that part yet, guys. Four months! I was going to say, have we really not? Almost five! Yeah, it was a full four months. It was April 30th. We are through December 31st. The JonBenet series is not over yet, but it's just not going to be every week.
The Lore Lads
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It's probably going to be once a month until we get through it. And then we'll switch to a different cold case, probably Madeline McCann. That was the other one people have heavily requested. And then we're also going to do a conspiracy theory or urban legend. We're going to do a missing persons case, like a missing 411.
The Lore Lads
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We don't really need to talk about our Christmases. I just wanted to brag. I got a revolver that typically goes for like $1,200 for less than $600 at a gun show. It's on my hip right now, but for YouTube reasons, I can't show it. I'm breaking in the... I ordered a... Just shout out, this is not a paid thing at all.
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And then I'm not sure what the fourth category will be, but we'll just kind of be alternating topics a little bit more. It'll be a little bit more structured and planned out. So hopefully you guys are getting more variety and don't get tired of one specific topic. But, you know, back to what I was saying here, the Ramseys had lawyers.
The Lore Lads
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And so those lawyers, you know, were advising them on what to say, advising them on, you know, when to talk to the police, when not to talk to the police. The Proudfoots didn't have that. Anything they weren't saying was because they thought they shouldn't say it. This was not expert advice. This was their consciences.
The Lore Lads
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And I think that is an important factor in reading them, in watching their interviews, in trying to understand where they're coming from with the various things that they say, because it's not like the Ramseys. But in almost every other way, it's like the Ramseys. I mean, there's so much about this, but that's what I was saying. You know, Katie works for Brinks.
The Lore Lads
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She knows how home security systems work. She knows the value of one. She knows how to install them. In fact, it doesn't even appear that they don't have one. Because all they would ever say is that there were no security cameras watching the outside of the house. Nina Gomez, of course, Chris's ex-wife, who still shares a daughter with him.
The Lore Lads
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That daughter has custody, which means that they go to court together. They know what is in each other's homes in terms of security. This is a custody battle. They're going to that is going to be an argument made by lawyers. It's going to be, you know, well, how can how do I how do you know that Nina is capable of keeping the child safe?
The Lore Lads
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How do you know that Chris is capable of keeping the child safe? If they have home in home cameras, they're going to mention it. We have security. You know, he's only allowed, you know, to text these people on his phone, like various things like that, especially with a child like this. And also, let's be realistic with a child who has the problem Sebastian has because he's not just autistic.
The Lore Lads
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He has this genetic disorder with fluid on his brain, too. I would be utterly astonished. If Katie didn't work for Brinks, it would be a different story. She works for Brinks, or at least did when this all happened. I don't know if she still does. I would be astonished if they didn't have in-home security. I'd be willing to bet that it's actually offered to Brinks employees for free.
The Lore Lads
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I haven't looked into it, but I would bet that if you're a technician, they want you to have your own system so you know how it works. Intimately, you know, it's in your home. You're interacting with every day. I can't say for sure they have one, but all the evidence seems to suggest they have an in-home security system with cameras that would be able to show the interior of the house.
The Lore Lads
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And of course, where are you going to have those cameras pointed in places where people are and in doors and windows? entryways to the home so that you know who's going in and coming out. You know, if anybody was peeking in, you know what's going on inside. Keep in mind, Faith is a small child. It makes sense they'd have monitoring for her too.
The Lore Lads
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And they've never, to my knowledge, they have never said there aren't security cameras in the home. Now, the police have, as far as I understand... I believe reviewed that footage, if it exists, but I've also not seen anything from the police saying they've done so.
The Lore Lads
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I asked a bunch of questions that were not answered by the police. I'm frustrated about that. I meant more like, is anybody in an interview with one of the Proudfoots asking? Yes, and what they say is that they're not going to answer that question, or they won't go into detail about what security measures they have in place.
The Lore Lads
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I ordered a holster for it, a genuine leather holster from... I'm going to look it up really quickly. I want to make sure I get the name of the... the seller right.
The Lore Lads
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They made it sound like it was about, you know, like making sure nobody can break in, but... What? There's a Brinks van outside your house. If somebody's casing the neighborhood, you're the last house they're looking at.
The Lore Lads
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And do you remember anything about the home security system that the Ramseys had the night that JonBenet died? Wasn't it disarmed? It was disarmed. I mean, I look at this, and it's just point for point. It's like they looked at the Ramsey case and went, oh, we can do that. I mean, look, I'm not being rude. I'm just being brash, like Chris always says. He's blunt. He's brash. He's honest. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
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He's not one of those things. I love the fact that Seth came out and said that Chris said there was something about Sebastian that if he told people the truth, nobody would want to look for him anymore. I've never seen Chris deny that. That's in our videos, Aiden. Yeah, I'm just not remembering this.
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I don't want to know how, and I think it's best for you if we don't explain how. Time warp. Yeah, exactly. Just a little bubble. Philadelphia experiment. They got it right and they put it in Aiden's Camaro. Yes. Actually, actually Kat's Volkswagen Golf. That makes it even better that it was in a Volkswagen Golf. Oh boy. Yeah. So I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday.
The Lore Lads
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Oh, supposedly, well, this was about how Chris kept saying that Sebastian going to live with his dad had nothing to do with faith. That Sebastian going to live with his dad had nothing to do with the court case, that what happened to Sebastian had nothing to do with faith whatsoever.
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Meanwhile, Chris Proudfoot arranges for Sebastian to go live with his biological dad, Seth, and at almost exactly the same time, he starts a new court proceeding. He files a new motion to attempt to get primary custody of Faith. The way I see it, those two things are intimately connected.
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Sebastian then disappears after that court battle is already underway, which leads me to believe, oh, maybe there was something going on that Chris was worried Sebastian might interfere with. Now, when we first put the series out, I was very much of the opinion that Sebastian could still be alive. I am less and less confident about that as time goes on.
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This is a kid who has severe medical issues, is very much special needs. I have a hard time seeing how he could have survived this long without somebody finding out he's there.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah. I mean, the one possibility was that somebody somehow smuggled him out of the country. But Chris and Katie have been here this whole time, as have both of their entire families.
The Lore Lads
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I've also got some really great gifts from my family and my girlfriend and everything, but this was a good Christmas. But yeah, White Gate Leather on Etsy. I mean, you can see this thing. It is... It's not ornate. It's not over the top. It's just a solid, functional, high-quality leather holster. It's real leather, real fasteners. It fits really snugly. I didn't even need to finagle it.
The Lore Lads
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And I don't think they have. I know that the Proudfoot family is a little bit more on the wealthy side, from what I understand from things locals have said.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, I believe so. But not that wealthy. Not wealthy enough to send him to be cared for in a foreign country, getting the proper medical care for almost a year. So I don't think that's very likely at all. The two possibilities I would see at that point are that he was murdered or he was kidnapped or trafficked. Because otherwise he's somehow still with that family and nobody's found him.
The Lore Lads
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Now the new development, the interesting one, is the dog, the bounty hunter stuff.
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So, uh, what did he say today? Yes. Uh, I'm just kind of, you know, scrolling through Twitter and what do I find Delco? The fight for answers about little Sebastian's disappearance is now moving from Tennessee to Pennsylvania. A $250,000 reward is being offered. Uh, and that's eight, three to three tell dog or email Sebastian at man hunts, one.com or man hunts. One. Um,
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So, I don't know a ton of what's going on here. I was just followed by a bunch of people involved in this case, so maybe I'll have an opportunity to talk to people about this soon and figure out what this change is. But I guess there's some harassment going on, you know, all that. He hasn't, from what I can tell, he hasn't really explained why Delco is now in the question.
The Lore Lads
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But what I wanted to say about it is if it is that. If they think that he moved his way up to Pennsylvania, the only reason... I can't think of a ton of reasons to go to Delco. Delco, for those who don't know, is the southeasternmost county in Pennsylvania. It's small by comparison to our county, Chester.
The Lore Lads
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I think it's slightly bigger than Philadelphia County in terms of land mass, but population, it's smaller. Smaller than Chester population, I believe, as well. It has the city of Chester in it, which is extremely dangerous. And then also, as we've learned firsthand... An utterly incompetent police department in Ridley Township. I mean, dangerously incompetent police department in Ridley Township.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, Tommy Booth. I mean, that is... What happened in that case is a travesty. It is truly incredible how bad that investigation was. The fact that we don't, like, have the camera footage is wild. Well, we... We do have some camera footage, but not... It's another situation where it's like, really? Really, this guy left and no camera caught him leaving the bar? None of them?
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, we went to the police department to get the footage. And then they didn't give us the footage we actually requested. Yeah, yeah. Which, of course, was being requested by the mother of a victim in a case they consider to be closed. Yeah. Which shouldn't be a problem. That's the thing. If the case is closed, why aren't you showing me the footage? Yeah, exactly.
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Why aren't you showing his mom the footage? Yeah. I'm a journalist. She's a mom. Yeah. Why isn't she seeing the right stuff?
The Lore Lads
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Didn't need to oil it up or anything to get the revolver to fit. Just fit right in. Golden. I'm very satisfied. I actually placed an order for a cartridge belt from the same seller today. Uh, and if the cartridge belt that I got does not fit me, I will give it to you as a, as a gift. Hurrah. It's cowboy time all around at the lodge. It is cowboy time at the lodge. Smith and Wesson hit me up.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, it was probably like you need a certain software that the police use.
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I mean, also the fact that nobody in the bar that night seemed to know what happened to him. Yeah. Just something stinks about it, and then there's the fact that his decomposition didn't match. No.
The Lore Lads
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mary Lormis. We are so back. So back. Aiden's literally back. He woke up this morning in Rochester, New York.
The Lore Lads
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Oh, my goal with that case, when we do have time to properly revisit it and I can go through that case file and really dig everything out. I want to get the FBI's attention. Yeah. I mean, we know from Tommy's parents that these guys were trafficking drugs and guns.
The Lore Lads
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If anybody knows how to reach out to Steve Thomas, let me know. I would love to talk to him, even if it's privately. Even if he doesn't want me back on camera, I would love to sit down with the guy. One of the things that pisses me off the most about the discourse with JonBenet is...
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everybody who's pro-Ramsay treats Thomas as if he was trying to make money off of a tragedy, when if you actually read the book, it's not really about... It's about JonBenet, but it's about the investigation. It's not like the little insider details, you can only hear this from me. It's not written like that. The focus of the book, when you read it,
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is on the ways in which the investigation was compromised by poor police leadership, outright obstructive behavior from the DA, and then the Ramseys and their lawyers just doing everything possible to sabotage any potential case.
The Lore Lads
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Thomas could have continued working for the Boulder PD. There's a lot of people like, oh, he was going to be fired for the way he like. Probably not, actually, because they had no decent detectives like firing him. He was an undercover undercover narcotics cop before. Obviously, he can't do that anymore. His cover is blown. He can never go undercover.
The Lore Lads
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At that point, he was also one of their only detectives who had any experience with homicide.
The Lore Lads
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Um, I'm really, really a fan of your guns. I have three of them and I, I'm going to be upgrading my rifle to also be a Smith & Wesson.
The Lore Lads
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So, I mean, getting rid of him, that would have been a gut punch to the department. It would have lowered morale for the people who were on his side.
The Lore Lads
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It's hard to get convictions on the books when you keep pleading them down before you even charge the person. I think it was something like, well, it was over a 90% plea rate. Imagine if... And for things that were, in fact, homicides, cocaine dealing, I mean, he got reprimanded for breaking up a prostitution ring.
The Lore Lads
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And, you know, like, opinions on sex work aside, prostitution rings that run out of hotels... are typically not the kind of thing that even if you are a rather liberally minded person in that sense, those are trafficking. That's different. That's not OnlyFans. It's almost always going to be trafficking. Somebody is organizing this, which means that somebody's in charge.
The Lore Lads
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That is different than being a cam model or an OnlyFans model or something like that. There's almost always some level of abuse somewhere. This is not an issue of... Some cops being, you know, morally conservative and the DA being morally liberal. This is an issue of, like, that's trafficking. And they told him not to look at prostitution cases anymore unless there were complaints.
The Lore Lads
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Which, of course, like, who's... The clients aren't going to complain. And the people who aren't clients probably aren't aware it's happening.
The Lore Lads
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Well, my semi. Oh, gotcha. Got to have the pew-pew, that AR-10 and .308. Just watched Brandon Herrera do a review of the SIG, the new, god, is it the Spear? I think the MCX Spear, yeah. It's a sweet-looking gun. It had some problems. Like the charging handle is really stiff and he kept over inserting the magazine because I don't know how much experience you have with firing AR platform rifles.
The Lore Lads
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Oh, God. I mean, it sounds like that's kind of what it was for a few years after this case wrapped up. Yeah. But... Yeah, I mean, I look at everything you look at. It's Thomas's whole point in writing the book because and this is the part that pisses me off. Even if he was going to be fired from that department, he could have resigned. He could have gone back to Wheat Ridge.
The Lore Lads
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He could have gone to another big city. I mean, he would have been the kind of cop that like New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, L.A., any of those cities would have loved a cop like him.
The Lore Lads
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Boulder, not so much. Boulder doesn't want hard-hitting stuff. Boulder is a nice, pleasant, low-crime area where bad things just don't happen. And if you have cops who aren't going to stand for the DA brushing aside any bad things so that it looks like everything's okay, that's not going to jive. The chief they brought in proves it. Chief Kobe? I mean, I'm sure he was a nice guy.
The Lore Lads
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But police others as you would have them police unto you as a department motto? What does that mean? What does that mean in the case of a child murderer? Like... You know, that's not... That doesn't make sense. I'm not pleased. Thomas hates so much hate, and it's not fair.
The Lore Lads
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Well, somebody did... I may be... This may be... I will put it out there that I have not gone and confirmed this myself, but I did see screenshots of what appeared to be real tweets from Eric Craddock, the former deputy sheriff who is now the sheriff after the former sheriff died suddenly. Oh, fun. Yeah, a few months ago.
The Lore Lads
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Craddock, I can't remember the exact terminology, but suffice to say he downplayed child sexual abuse. Oh. Yeah, in a tweet. Now, again, it could be that that is a fake tweet. I did not look too deeply into it. It looked like a real tweet. If you want to go look for it, feel free. I...
The Lore Lads
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I'm going to try and find it and get to the bottom of it when we eventually do do a real... When there's more updates to give. Because I wasn't going to make a full update video, clickbait it, and be like, Hey, there's so much new information. And it's like three or four things. But as time goes on, I'm sure there will be opportunities to make significant updates to the case. Again, my goal is...
The Lore Lads
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I'm a historian. I don't like to cover active cases. I like to cover cases that are historical at this point, which is why I like JonBenet. Also because that one's just such a pain in the ass. But yeah, I think this one to me feels like a sheriff's department issue, not a DA issue. Now granted, in a county as small as that, Is there necessarily much of a difference? I don't know.
The Lore Lads
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But if what Nina said is true, because maybe she just got confused thinking back, you know, like that it was the Sumner County Sheriff's Office and she was actually, you know, at the Henderson PD. The way she presented things, it seemed that the police were very friendly to the Proudfoots. And interestingly, this is the part that really gets me.
The Lore Lads
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When Sebastian was reported missing, they did not call 911. They called the sheriff's office directly.
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Which is not... You don't have to. I mean, if we call the non-emergency line here in Phoenixville, it takes us to Chester County, Central Dispatch. That's the non-emergency line? The reason you call the non-emergency line instead of 911 in a literal emergency is because you want the right person coming to your house. You want to make sure the right people are responsible. Um...
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which to me suggests that they had friends at the sheriff's department. Yep. Otherwise you'd call 911. You just, you just would like, they're like, Oh, you know, out in the rural areas where we are, you were like 10 minutes from Hendersonville, dude, you're not far. The cops who responded were Hendersonville cops.
The Lore Lads
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It does look like a neighborhood that would have an HOA. Also, we know that that neighborhood has a ton of ring doorbell cameras, a lot of security cameras. Nobody caught Sebastian walking around the neighborhood.
The Lore Lads
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But a lot of the time you want to when you slide the magazine up, you pop it with your hand to make sure it's seated properly. Like my Ruger, I have this problem. Sometimes I will put the magazine in. I will, you know, pull the charging candle back. Everything's good to go. And then the magazine falls out.
The Lore Lads
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yep cops not doing their jobs for some reason or another uh improperly doing their jobs in some cases uh and then you know basically the the parents going i realize all of this evidence points at us but look at this shiny thing over here you know um like why are you your child is missing why are you suing youtubers
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for driving through your neighborhood that you don't live in anymore because you moved away from the place that you would expect your son to be coming back to if he decided to come home. I just like, listen, the, the, the way the Ramsey's behaved makes them look guilty of sin. The way the proud foots behaved is worse and it's still going.
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I mean, I think it's very funny that John Ramsey is getting up there and, you know, talking about how the police won't do what they need to do and they won't test these samples. Meanwhile, his own attorneys in 1997, we're going to the CB. Well, sorry, we're sending the DA guys to the CD, the CBI to tell them, Hey, don't test those samples. Real thing that happened, guys.
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Deputy DA Hofstrom, the chief prosecutor for Boulder County in 1997, hand-delivered a letter to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation saying, don't test these samples. The letter was from a Ramsey attorney. And he just gave it his blessing to make sure it worked. In a just world, Hofstrom would be redacted. But in a slightly just world, Hofstrom would have told the Ramsey lawyers, F off.
The Lore Lads
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Sorry, if we charge you, you can do discovery. The Ramsey lawyers seem to have been very adamant that that be prevented. I mean, obstructing the testing of samples...
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DNA, serology, fingerprints, hair, fibers. I mean, there was a beaver hair found on the duct tape, I believe, and Patsy had a pair of boots that were lined with beaver hair that were never submitted. Like, the Ramseys didn't turn them over. and the Boulder DA wouldn't subpoena anybody because he didn't want to offend the Ramses.
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I mean, it's it's so frustrating looking at these two cases that have been almost 30 years apart. And you're like, OK, everybody made exactly the same mistakes. There was clearly corruption going on. Why aren't we looking at the parents? I mean, that's the part that really drives me insane is, you know, at least with Boulder.
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I hope somebody who works for the Summer County Sheriff's Department comes out sometime from now and writes the Steve is the Steve Thomas of this case, because we need that. We need somebody to go through and be like, all right. I gotta come clean. People were preventing us from looking at the parents. Because from what I can tell, they really haven't.
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I mean... The fact that they allowed the home to be professionally cleaned.
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It made me so angry going back through all of it, and I highly recommend you guys watch the complete version of the documentary, even if you've already seen them, because I think seeing it all tied together at once is going to really drive home just how screwed up this situation actually is.
The Lore Lads
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It's a common issue with AR platform rifles from what I've seen. It is easily fixed by you insert the magazine and you pop it once with your hand. It's just if you forget to do that, that it can be a problem. You only really forget to do that once Yeah, I can imagine. Because you're like, where'd it go? It's like, that's not supposed to happen. But I really like Smith & Wesson's AR-10.
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We are, I'm speaking to you right now. And then I actually watched some of your show growing up. Uh, this is fun. This is a cool, this is a cool moment for me. Um, we are literally 30 minutes from Delaware County. Our studio is 30 minutes from Delaware County. I grew up 30 feet from Delaware County, or like 300 yards, but I went to restaurants and games and all sorts of things there all the time.
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I don't know it quite as well as I know Chester County, my home area, but I know Delco. I've I know Delco pretty well. I played football games there. I had friends who lived there. If you want us to help out with anything, we are right here. Feel free to reach out. You can do it on Twitter.
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You can send an email to mattis at redactedmediapa.com or thornberry at redactedmediapa.com or thelordlodge at gmail.com. We are happy to hand over dossiers. Anything that we have access to, it's yours. We just want this case solved.
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And we are fairly well regarded in the community. So I think we could probably organize some help, too. Without a doubt, yeah. So if that's something that you'd like, that you have any interest in, we are right here. Very happy to help. If that is, of course, the real dog, the bounty hunter. And if it's not, can you let him know we said that? That'd be good. Yeah, that would be a...
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Our lives have gotten weird, dude. They really have.
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I can see there is some heat being applied now. I think there was a bit of a lull, but Chris Proudfoot can't keep his mouth shut. He just can't.
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narcissistic personality disorder is a criminal investigators best friend you just can't stop talking to the media to YouTube to whatever and interestingly the largest show by far to offer him a platform to come on and say his piece is right here I was going to say have we extended the official invitation yet we have several times on these live streams.
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We've done it in videos that we've posted, the recorded stuff. Chris, if I'm wrong, come tell me. Get on this show. You know, you don't even have to come here to Pennsylvania, but call in. Google Meet, Zoom, Skype, whatever. Come on in. Explain to me how I'm wrong. I will even be nice. I'll even be like, I will come at it with an open mind.
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If you can show me that you have the integrity to come and actually face-to-face speak to one of the people who is the most adamant that you are potentially responsible for, to put all the legal terms in there. If you have that integrity to come here, you're blunt, you're brash, you're honest, all that, come do it. I'm sitting right here.
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You wouldn't be the first person that I dislike that I've had on this show who I've been kind to. Now, granted, if you go back and watch those episodes, the moment I have a reason not to be kind, I stop being kind.
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God, my favorite thing is in that video. We won the debate in the first 10 minutes because we were like Antarctica. And he was like, yeah, well, I mean, if there's a 24 hour sun, then that would mean that the earth can't be flat. Then he just went to Antarctica like two weeks ago, saw a 24 hour sun. Oh, oh, has he said anything publicly yet? I don't think so.
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I haven't seen any big statements from him. I think he's going to pivot to geocentrism. So the earth's round, but it's also the center of the universe. But anyway, with this specific case with Sebastian, I'm hoping that there will be some movement soon. I know that there were a lot of detractors when Dog got involved, but from what I've seen, he's been very diligent about this.
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Constantly updating things, constantly putting out information. And there's a number of other people on both sides. But I think at this point, the pressure needs to be on. Someone knows what happened to that kid because he didn't run out of that house. He did not leave that house on his own two feet. He just didn't. So, maybe we'll see.
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My hope with this case, obviously, is that Sebastian is somehow found alive. But if not, I want that motherfucker brought to justice. Whether it's Chris or not. Just whoever did it. Do I think that there are other likely suspects? No. No.
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If you are another likely suspect, please come on the show. I promise there won't be cops waiting outside. Well, considering the way you started the show. I don't think we know. No, we don't need cops. Exactly. That's my point. Listen, listen. I believe in the rule of law. Most of the time. I was going to say, where's that?
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However, coming in, uh, if the law refuses to do its job, then I think that there are discussions to be had, but that has to be like concrete. No questions. Like we have it on video. Yeah. Um, you know, like I don't approve of vigilante justice unless the, the reason it's necessary is blatant corruption. Um, looking at you, Luigi, uh,
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I understand why you did what you did, but there were potentially better options.
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Why, Gary? That's a that's a great example. Yeah. Although that was not necessary. That guy was going to prison, but I do totally get it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's. I get why Gary did what he did. Yep.
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um jody actually uh he and i had a quick interaction he went to penn state oh did he really did we talked on uh on youtube oh that's fun nice guy uh victim advocate from what i understand doing a lot of great things with uh with his life which is all you can really ask of somebody who has gone through what he went through yeah 100 so super super proud of jody for uh what he has been able to accomplish awesome
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I don't know how many we have today, but in the past few weeks, we've had a lot of Super Chats come in, which we are so thankful for that. We are so incredibly grateful. At the same time, the shows have been getting towards three hours long as a result. So we are going to start focusing on primarily the the most relevant super chats first, and then we're going to kind of cruise on down.
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And we get to a point where it's like 9 p.m. and there's 30 left and they're all, you know, silly or just, you know, nice little compliments like we very much appreciate it.
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Ah, really quickly, somebody did say that they Googled Brinks and they don't offer free security, but they do offer employee discounts.
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Uh, but also it sounded, the evidence would suggest that they do have a security system.
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I know what he's talking about. There is a potential we could go out to the Brandon Lawson site.
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But either way, it would really just depend on our schedule and flight prices and things like that. But I think that would definitely be something we're interested in. I know I've said we need to talk about it. I've just been crazy busy. That never ends. I need an assistant.
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I did have a bit of an oopsie posting about the purchase. I just posted a picture of the revolver with the caption Merry Christmas to me on Twitter. People did not take it the way I intended. Yeah! I was like happy. I was like, oh, Merry Christmas to me. I got my I wanted a revolver. I found a revolver for a great price. You know, awesome. And everybody's like, Aiden, don't do it.
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No, we like you too much. You're doing such a good job. I was like, it's fine, guys. I just got the revolver. I'm excited about it.
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Evelyn Dick was a Canadian socialite suspected of killing her husband and son, although she never confessed to either crime. Served time for manslaughter from 47 to 58 and subsequently disappeared. Interesting. Offered a pardon under the royal prerogative of mercy in 1985. What is that?
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ah it is to withdraw or provide alternatives to death sentences apparently wait what the the pardon oh god i gotta get it interesting i wonder yeah dick had given birth three times and invented a man named norman white to conceal the identity of each baby's father Huh? Is this the same story?
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There was a... Her children were Peter David White, Heather Maria White, and a second daughter who was stillborn. The body in Dick's attic was identified as that of Peter David White. What was her name again? Evelyn. Evelyn. At the age of 24, McLean married, this is Evelyn, married John Dick, a 39-year-old man from a Mennonite family who migrated to Canada to escape the Russian Revolution.
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I'm not sure if Hanukkah is still happening, but Christmas is over. Well, if we're doing the 12 days of Christmas thing, it's still 12 days of Christmas. I always thought it was the 12 days leading up to Christmas. No, that was ABC Family's 12 days of Christmas.
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Did Tsarist Mennonites? Did this woman murder her Tsarist Mennonite husband? What? What? John, who also worked for the HSR, Hamilton Street Railway. Let's see. Threatened to explode Donald McLean's fraud. Wait, okay. Wow. Her father was an abusive alcoholic who collected firearms.
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and was later found to have stolen $200,000. At the age of 24, McLean married John Dick. This is Evelyn McLean. She began... Okay. All right. John, who also worked for the HSR, threatened to expose Donald McLean's fraud. Evelyn began a relationship with a new boyfriend, Bill Bohazuk, days after her marriage, and separated from John within three months.
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And then John Dick disappeared after another three months. After John was reported missing, a human torso was found on Hamilton Mountain near Albion Falls by five local children. The condition of the victim's testicles allowed him to be identified as John. I don't want to know what that means. His head and limbs had been sawn from his body. Ah. Wow.
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The event drew large crowds due to the grim nature of the crime. The revelation that Dick kept a black book with a record of all her sexual encounters. This this case has the best possible names for this case. Yeah, I got to say. So so we're going to have to do this. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, this is this is looking absolutely crazy. This is one of the wildest crimes I've ever read about.
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And I'm only reading the Wikipedia case page. She estimated that she slept with 150 men, most of whom were more wealthy than her husband. In court, she stated that one of those men was the judge's son. No way. This is shocking. Both of her lawyers, the one who unsuccessfully defended her, and the jury convicted her to death by hanging, which is hilarious. Wow. Yeah, Dick got hung.
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Yeah, I remember trying to do it with Isaiah. It was not easy. Yeah, no, not at all. He was scary good at it. He is terrifyingly good at that game. It makes sense. But still, anyway, also, it's weird when you're lefty.
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What year was this? The 40s? Yeah, Canada was a little behind. Yeah, apparently. But yeah, her first lawyer's name was JJ and her second lawyer's name was also JJ. She somehow was acquitted on appeal. Interesting. As part of the investigation, a partly mummified body of a male infant was found in Dick's attic encased in cement in an old suitcase.
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That is insane. She was sentenced to life in prison in 1947, but somehow paroled in 1958. That's what? How do you murder your husband and infant child? And then walk and then walk.
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Yeah, we probably should at this point. We've got to get shirts that say allegedly on them. We should. Honestly, we should just get that as merch.
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Yeah, I had to figure that one out. But anyway, we have an actual topic to talk about tonight. And that is, we have a Sebastian Rogers update video coming. There are some differences from how our content has worked in the past. We have never done this before, actually.
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Yeah, that's crazy, especially since that's not even the worst somebody got whooped this weekend. Suck it, Dallas. 41-7. You let our backup backup quarterback put two touchdowns on you. I'm sorry, wait.
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He proceeded to ball out and play through most of the game with broken ribs. I'm so glad that... He did the tush push and got a touchdown.
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No, Hertz will be back for the playoffs. Are we sure? He has a mild concussion. He'll be back for the playoffs. Yeah, but like... Listen, if Pickett goes and wins the Super Bowl, I'm not going to be mad. I think it would be funny as hell. It'd be amazing. Especially if we did it to the Chiefs. Yes. If we somehow did to the Chiefs what we did to the Patriots...
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I think, you know, history would repeat itself and it would end their dynasty. So yeah. Root for picket boys. You're tired of the chiefs.
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So when I was writing the video for this upcoming week, as you guys can imagine, writing and shooting a video the week of Christmas was not an ideal situation. It never is. It was not last year. It will not be in the future. And this time of year, our videos do not do very well in general. Except for apparently Fridays. Except for apparently Fridays. I'm still just at such a loss.
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I'm getting back to streaming on Fridays. We're going to see how things develop from there. How'd it go this week? Good. It was like I never left. Nice. 200 viewers. Helldivers. It was good. Nice. It was great. It was nice.
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Awesome. Thank you. uh that is the gomb one from earlier ben potter for 4107 love the specific very specific number uh how we oh hey how we feeling about the eagles post-season chances go birds yeah i'm feeling good yeah i'm feeling good the fact that we were just able to win with our third string quarterback and not by just handing it to saquon barkley oh beautiful
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Yes. Thank you. Um, Barkley also just made a mess of the Cowboys defense. Shocker. It's Barkley. Did you see how close he is? No. What's the number? 105 yards. Seriously. 101 yards. Is that the regular season record or the regular season record? Okay. Here's the thing.
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Even if you go by there being everybody's like, oh, well, all the Giants fans are coping with, you know, oh, well, Dickerson did it in 16 games. He did it in 374 carries. 379 carries. I believe Barkley is only at like 235. So, yeah.
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The yards per carry is way higher. Yards per carry is way higher. Yeah. Saquon's... My guess is they will probably ask him what he wants to do.
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That makes sense. They'll basically be like, look, we're having a Super Bowl season. Obviously, we don't want you to get hurt. This might be your one chance to get that record. Yeah. Do you want to do it? That's my guess. Knowing Barkley, I think chances are he'll probably start the game, get the record, and then leave. I wouldn't blame him. Me neither. Yeah.
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Especially because Gainwell can... Gainwell's as good as most starting backs in the NFL. So... Yeah. Barkley's just a monster. Yeah. It's phenomenal. Conversation is over, too.
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Henry is behind him by like 200 yards. Yeah.
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He's still a beast. No, I know. He might hit 2,000 this year. He might be number nine to do it.
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That's true. Obviously, there's going to be something. He also switched teams. He's on, you know... Him at the Colts was all time.
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A bunch of Sebastian people probably. Hey, for those of you who maybe just joined, we are into our Super Chat section now. We did talk about Sebastian and some similarities to the JonBenet Ramsey case for most of the show. Highly recommend if you want to see that stuff going back and re-watching the stream. And if you got any questions now, feel free to Super Chat them in.
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Whether it's $2 or $20, if it's relevant to the discussion at hand, we will answer it. Up through probably 9 o'clock p.m. Looks like a lot of people are saying Pearl's Flash Mob. Pearl's Flash Mob. I guess it's somebody named Pearl. Welcome, guys. How you doing? Thank you. If you have not seen our three-part series on Sebastian Rogers, we have a compiled version of it.
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So there's going to be a one-part... Not one part, but a... This Friday, an episode is coming out that compiles all of our coverage of Sebastian Rogers into one three-hour episode. So if you haven't seen that and you want to take a look, please do. Happy to have you here. Hopefully the added attention puts more and more pressure on the people who need to be pressured.
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I got some cool stuff. I got a lot of rocks glasses. Oh, really? Somewhat concerning amount of rocks glasses. I might need to... Well, you do like bourbon. Yeah, in my family, if it's bourbon, it's not alcoholism, I guess. I wonder who you got that from. Nobody, I just said it myself. Yeah, fair. No, no, no, I meant the... Oh, Christian.
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Christian and I love our bourbon, but... Yeah, a lot of rocks glasses. Got some other cool stuff too. I'm happy. It's a good Christmas.
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I was watching Brandon's video. The open bolt wasn't the problem. Not with the SIG, at least. With the Ruger, open bolt helps. A lot.
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I did, but I didn't see a package. I'll go downstairs. You take Super Chats, and I'll be right back.
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Yeah, we were very confused. But hey, whatever. It's good news. But yeah, so... because I had a shorter week and I was struggling to find a topic that I could devote the kind of attention to that I really liked to. I was like, all right, what if I cover something we've already covered, uh, that has, you know, maybe some updates to it. And Sebastian Rogers was, was the thing that fit.
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Anything related to the case at hand come in really quick.
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We did have one that was from about this. It's clutch them pearls. Justin told us you were live. We're Sebastian's army. Thank you for all you've done for Sebastian. Thank you. Thank you guys for coming to these things and help keeping his name out there. I think that this is... Oh, and one was, in your opinion, do you think this is from Honeybee for $4.99?
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In your opinion, do you believe this case will come to a conclusion soon? Hashtag Sebastian's Army. I sure hope. The first one was Storybanks. I really hope so, guys. And there was another one that's from Sandy SST for $20. It says, we have seen all three. Thank you for keeping Sebastian's name alive. We are Sebastian's Army. Thank you, guys. I mean...
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our, our only hope with bringing it up is that, you know, a rising tide raises all ships. You know, if a channel as big as us keeps talking about it, it'll keep the name out there. And hopefully the channels who talk about it more and get it, you know, the constant exposure can, can keep hammering.
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And, you know, as much as we are very strongly of the opinion that the proud foots are involved, if they're not, Well, the case being in the news keeps Sebastian's name out there, even for the person who is responsible if it's not them. Like I said, all I want is for that kid to be found alive.
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And if he's not, I just hope that whoever did it can be... Is that a call to violence if I say what I want to say? Most likely, yes. Yeah, probably. Anyway, I heard wood chippers are on sale lately.
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But if you would like to support the work we do here at the Lore Lodge, a couple of little links in the description you can go to. Tableau Roasting Co. That is our coffee, Mt. Pocono Perk. It is a delicious medium roast that I designed myself. I was a barista for many years. And of course, I'm not currently wearing it, and I don't think there's any in the studio right now.
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There are not, interestingly enough, it seems like things are speeding up at the moment since we shot the video. So who knows, maybe in the next couple of months there will be a full Sebastian Rogers, you know, everything we've learned since August video. From what I was seeing, there wasn't a ton, but there are a few developments that I cover in that video.
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The government is pretending that we didn't all see drones over New Jersey a couple of weeks ago, so... The world's getting weird enough as it is.
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It's earlier than I expected to be in the year. I think it's either April or May. Yeah, it might be over the summer, but I always for some reason think it's in October, and it's not.
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fair i'll have to reach out to chad man the myth the legend himself who started that joke if we do it i'm gonna i'm gonna have to get him down here from i think uh connecticut i think even if we just did like one weekend day we could do it i think that's the problem we do have the the rewards that we still have yeah we still i still have to walk into a hot topic making a wearing a make when does he great again hat where are we gonna find one of them we're gonna have to have it made yeah yeah it's gonna have to be do we do a one-off or do we do a special run
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I mean, probably a one-off. I worry that that one might be perceived as cultural appropriation by people who don't know who we are. If we, like, do an actual line of them. If it's one thing for a joke video that's posted, like, for free to Patreon. Cultural appropriation? When to go. Oh, I see. Gotta go.
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There's a lot of people who don't watch our content and don't understand that the Wendussy thing is a joke that developed out of sincere coverage. Yep. might not go very well. I did see some more Sebastian ones come through as super chats.
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While he does that, to quickly answer a question asked by... Who was it? EchoWarrior for 50. Thank you very much. He said, so Witless went to the North Pole, right? You know what? I'm sure they would have made that argument if they did this in... Well, obviously you can't do it at a different time of year, but...
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Obviously, there's no 24-hour sun in the North Pole right now, so even the flat earthers have to accept that one. Anyways, question from Mattis. Can someone who doesn't believe in the Trinity as defined by the Council of Nicaea but believes in Jesus be Christian? I ask as a practicing Mormon and consider myself a Christian. Nicene Christians will say no.
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They will say that if you do not believe Jesus and God are one unified being, then you are not Christian. You're something else.
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I think there's a couple of tiny Oriental Orthodox churches, I think. And then you have, I think, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons. and a few other sects, Mormons would definitely be the largest and most culturally accepted group. But, you know, I put it this way. I think that if your goal is to follow Christ, you're most of the way there. A lot of Catholics would say Protestants aren't Christian.
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And then, so that we weren't just giving you guys like a 20 to 30 minute video, we decided we're going to tag on the entire series into the video. So it is one very long, probably about three hours long, uh, documentary on Sebastian Rogers that starts with sort of a summary of the case, which also goes over the updates. Um,
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A lot of Protestants would say Catholics aren't Christian. I think that the Nicene community gangs up on Mormons because we all disagree with them. But I don't think that you are. I would personally say no, Mormons aren't Christian. They are Christian adjacent Christians. But that isn't a reason for me to dislike Mormons. I have no problem with Mormons. We have theological differences.
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I have theological differences with the Catholic Church as well. But to answer your question, yeah, most Nicene Christians would tell you no. Mormonism is not Christian. It's something else. In my opinion, it's It's probably close enough that God will get it if you are a believer. For those who don't know, I am practicing Christian.
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Currently deciding whether or not I want to go join the Orthodox or the Episcopalian Church. Episcopal Church, sorry. But yeah, to be gentle about it, yes. I think that Mormons consider themselves Christian. I understand that. Other Christians don't consider Mormons to be Christian. But it's about as close as you can get for the most part.
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There's just a few things in there that you're like, oh, wait, what? Honestly, I think that the Trinitarian difference is not quite as stark as the afterlife difference between Mormonism and Christianity.
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Oh, well, this is a one-two punch for the people who get mad at me for... being a rather liberal Christian about what's considered Christianity. Uh, yeah, I mean, I, I would say, see how it, uh, squares with, with your faith, your chosen sect. If you are a Christian, some of them are an absolute no on it. Uh, others are sometimes pro Mason. Some are anti Mason. Some are neutral. Um, but,
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personally i have found masonry to be a good experience i it has given me a an additional community that i can lean on and it is something that should i choose to stick with it over the years obviously if i decide to join the orthodox church i can't remain a mason um but really yeah why uh it's banned it's not allowed For what reason, are you able to say?
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I mean, in my opinion, it's the same misconception that Catholics have. The Orthodoxy only banned it recently, like the 50s. I mean, recently in the grand scheme of things. The way I have seen it over and over again is that it's not those first three degrees. that anybody really has a problem with. I mean, the Catholics did because it wasn't Catholic and you know, God forbid. Yeah.
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I, that was the 1700s though. Most of what I see when it comes to Freemasonry is that there is this understanding outside of Masonry that Albert Pike matters and, Whereas if you ask the average Freemason, especially those from north of the Mason-Dixon line, they don't care what Albert Pike thinks. What he said doesn't matter.
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And if you ask Masons outside of the United States, particularly in England and Scotland, they'll be like, who? What are you talking about? Who's out what? Yeah. I've seen some interesting stuff. An Orthodox Christian told me that the Templars have the same weird stuff as the... the Scottish right, the Southern jurisdiction of the Scottish right does then French Masonry is just nonsense.
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It's not even Freemasonry. Um, and I'd argue anything that's derived from French Masonry has the same inherent flaws. If you're wondering why he has these opinions, watch our video on Freemasonry. Yes. Um, we have the video on Freemasonry. I myself am a fourth degree mark master Mason. Um, I, at this point, There are things I don't like and things that I like.
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And so, you know, what I wanted to say is if you are a regular viewer and you're going, ah, well, I've already seen that. First of all, the update is worth it. There is new information. But also, if you could watch the whole thing or at least leave it on, we'd appreciate it. We don't want YouTube to hate us. You know, it's... I know that's maybe a little, a weird request, but that is my Chris.
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Freemasonry. The first three degrees, great. They're... what came about when the order was explicitly Christian. There is no way to look at them and see them as anti-Christian. There is nothing that is conflicted with my values. And everything that I did go through to attain that degree, that third degree, and even the fourth one, was, in my opinion, good.
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I don't think that... I mean, there was nothing that was contradictory to my faith. There was nothing that was contradictory to my morality. It was just about being a better man. And so that side of Freemasonry is what I really like. I think that holding the entire organization accountable to the beliefs of a specific sect is kind of silly. It's kind of like saying, you know...
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All Christians are like culty because of Jehovah's Witnesses. It doesn't make sense. But, you know, I'm not dogmatic. I'm not the kind of person who's going to go through it and, you know, ignore stuff if I don't like it. I'm also not the kind of person who is going to believe things if I find no evidence of them. So I plan to become a Templar.
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Plan to go all the way through, and if I get there, and they're like, oh yeah, so God's name's actually Jobulon, and he's the Angel of Light. I'm gonna be like, okay, see ya guys, bye. Not sure what this is about.
The Lore Lads
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I feel like they would have put it in there before the 1790s. Because if the whole thing is that masonry is a direct successor to the Templars, and that's something the Templars uncovered in the Temple of Solomon... There's a discussion to be had.
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In my opinion, it's more likely that as we see from the late 18th and much of the 19th century, you had a bunch of people who archaeology and history were just becoming a thing. Which is nuts that those disciplines are that new. Yeah. Oh, up until like the 1820s, history was a hobby for the rich.
The Lore Lads
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It was like you read Tacitus, you read Xenophon, you read Caesar, and you wrote your opinion about what they did. You didn't really question it. There wasn't a ton of historiography. There wasn't a ton of that going on. Historiography, historicism, these various schools of thought that are more academic, more scientific, those start to develop in the 1820s. So, in my opinion...
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Somebody, if that is what happens, if I'm not being lied to and you get to the Templar degree and they tell you, hey, so we've, you know, well, hush, hush, but you need to know the knowledge. It's not Yahweh, it's Jabulon. Which, from what I have read, appears to be a compound term using various Middle Eastern words for God.
The Lore Lads
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Like Jah coming from Jehovah, Bu coming from Baal, and I forget what, I think Lan coming from Elyon. Not having any experience with the degree process itself... That seems like the same thing as Ignatius Donnelly writing about Atlantis. Like, you know, oh, I came across these things and had these thoughts, and I'm going to claim it comes from ancient esoteric Templar knowledge.
The Lore Lads
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You read the original Masonic documents, like the Regius poem, there's no mention of Jobulon. It's explicitly Christian. My hope would be if there is something weird going on with Freemasonry that, you know, there would be an opportunity to return it to its proper roots that aren't weird. I'm not going to lie.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah. Yeah. I like Freemasonry because it's a charitable organization that connects men within their communities and encourages them to be more morally upright and to contribute to their communities. I'm not... I didn't join for weird cult stuff.
The Lore Lads
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So, I mean, I've seen none of it. I've had a couple of weird conversations with Masons who do... believe some strange things, but it's hard to say what is their belief versus what is Masonic, uh, doctrine.
The Lore Lads
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Well, I know we have more. That was kind of a diatribe to the Sebastian.
The Lore Lads
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That's what I'd like for Christmas from you guys is, is don't abandon ship immediately after chapter one of the video ends. You know, I don't think there's going to be a ton in the way of serious updates. Aiden's, you know,
The Lore Lads
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No, I think if this was the family, that it was purposeful. Chris Proudfoot, regardless of whether or not he did something to Sebastian, Chris Proudfoot's a piece of shit. I mean, history of abuse, adjudicated history of abuse, like, you know, it's...
The Lore Lads
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he's been to court and he was told he needed to take parenting classes uh he admitted on two occasions at least that uh he hit sebastian with a belt and cps was called and in one at one point he said it only happened once and then at another point he referenced another time it had happened so clearly it happened more than once yep um also i mean like listen i understand corporal punishment is something that people have varying opinions on and uh you know
The Lore Lads
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I was spanked on a few occasions as a child, and I don't necessarily think that it was abuse. I don't think that spanking necessarily does qualify as abuse if there's a good reason for it. On the other hand, I'm not an autistic child with a chromosome disorder. I knew why I was being punished. I mean, yeah, I would say Sebastian didn't. The explanation Chris gave didn't even make sense.
The Lore Lads
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He said he whipped Sebastian with a belt for not wearing a belt. Did Sebastian need to wear a belt or did his pants fit without one? Like, I'm sorry, but you being like, no, it is proper class to wear a belt. And because you didn't, I'm going to hit you.
The Lore Lads
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um yeah no i guess it is apparently legal in tennessee like i guess there's not like a there's rules against unnecessary use of force or over the top use of force but it doesn't seem there's any like litig uh not litigation um any uh law about what specifically is allowed Fair. I read somewhere that like a single open-handed slap to the rear with clothes on is, is what's allowed.
The Lore Lads
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I haven't been able to find that. So I don't know where it came from. Um,
The Lore Lads
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It's usually what the police have released to the public. I'd say it's one of two things, either a lack of coverage or a lack of transparency. if nobody has covered the story, it's almost impossible for me to learn anything about it unless I can track down people and interview them, which is hard. And I simply don't have time, uh, as well.
The Lore Lads
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I'll have an issue where like, I, I mean, for example, with JonBenet Ramsey, there is this, uh, this bloodstain that has, uh, unknown male DNA on it that matches the unknown male DNA from the waistband of the long Johns, uh, But as I understand it, that DNA was not found between the bloodstains, just in them. So, the problem is, a whole bunch of other DNA tests are publicly available.
The Lore Lads
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It's just all Harry Potter. Harry Potter, this was the reason we made a Harry Potter video last year, is that Harry Potter has become a Christmas movie.
The Lore Lads
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You can get them on Reddit. The bloodstains are not. Um... I've looked through everything. I've yet to see any like firsthand, see anything saying that this unidentified male is a perfect match. Like I have not seen the, the bloodstain from the panties, the DNA they found there compared to the DNA on the waistband.
The Lore Lads
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I've seen the markers compared side by side from one side of the waistband to the other. but not the bloodstain. So, um, a lot of people were like, well, why won't the police release the bloodstain to the public? And I'm like, I don't know. Maybe the Ramseys won't let them. And of course they're like, you know, why John Ramsey keeps talking about testing it. And I'm like,
The Lore Lads
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are you saying test it because your, your lawyers won't let them test it. And you don't think anybody's going to find that out. Like last time is that, is that what I said in a tick tock earlier this week, right? It was, uh, John Ramsey goes and does an interview where he talks about, uh, how he, he wishes the police would have tested things early on.
The Lore Lads
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And it was his lawyers going to the police and saying, don't test these things. Uh, Even your own friends didn't understand why you wouldn't talk to the cops, John.
The Lore Lads
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Oh, yeah. Especially just left and right accusing every single person you know, except for a few of them. Yep.
The Lore Lads
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Ah, it is a mythical ape-like creature said to live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. A small, hairy, red-eyed creature that is four to five feet tall, known as Pennsylvania's Little Bigfoot.
The Lore Lads
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Ah, the Albatwitch's name is believed to come from the Pennsylvania Dutch term for apple snitch. I did get a book on Pennsylvania Dutch folklore for Christmas. No way. See if it's in there. Yeah, you should. That would be a fun thing to go to. Where is the... Looks like it's held in October. October. Yeah, we can do that. Lancaster's an hour away. It's a nice, easy one.
The Lore Lads
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Just, like, never stopped looking for the kid. Yeah. I... I mean, it's hard to say. We haven't covered it yet, but Dior Kuntz is one that a lot of people have looked at and said that seems like it was the parents. Thankfully, we haven't had a lot of cases where it looked like it could be the parents.
The Lore Lads
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One where I thought maybe something weird happened with the parents was Michael Real, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Trenny Gibson.
The Lore Lads
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I don't think her parents directly caused her disappearances, and I don't think they abducted her, murdered her, or anything like that. But I would not be remotely surprised if her disappearance, especially after the conversation we had with Nick, Missing Enigma, if you're watching this right now, it was probably four episodes ago at this point.
The Lore Lads
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But it's whatever the most recent episode with Missing Enigma is to this episode of the show. he dug up some stuff on training that even we hadn't found. And it seems very likely that her home situation was not great. And that may have either made her run away or made her vulnerable to being taken advantage of. And unfortunately, I think possibly killed.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, like Evangeline Lorimer, it almost seemed like it was a planned disappearance in order to sell tickets to her father's Christian speaking tour. Her dad was a... I don't know what the right term to use is. Christian grifter? Yeah. Yeah. Not necessarily even grifter. It seems like he was just kind of nuts. Did you think he was like a prophet?
The Lore Lads
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um i haven't thought of one yet i just thought of one i want to run it by you i also run about want to run it by the audience just basically everything we know about sebastian rogers in 2024 that's kind of what i wanted to do yeah because then considering it's the end of 2024 anything new that happens we can cover in a later video yeah one of the interesting developments and i'm gonna pull up uh pull up the tweet really quick because i was like wait wait a minute
The Lore Lads
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He was put into a psych ward for religious paranoia or something. Yep, I'm remembering this now. So I think he may have just been a little off his rocker there. This is the 50s, so... you know, a lot of different, uh, different things that you could get in trouble for back then, I guess. Um, also, I mean, he, he also hit his wife with like a garden hose or something. Cool. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
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That's a great way to treat your spouse. Yeah. Well, they, they got divorced after that.
The Lore Lads
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Well, we did mention Chris's truck, actually.
The Lore Lads
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Because I went, what kind of man who works out of his pickup truck? Doesn't know what year it is.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, I mean, like, I could get it. You bought your pickup secondhand just because it was a good deal and you don't know. This guy worked construction. He knows what year make model pickup truck he has. He probably knows the trim level. Yeah, he knows the trim level. In fact, he has to. There's no way he doesn't. So, Chris, stop. Stop the lies.
The Lore Lads
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I mean, a man like him probably needs a big truck to compensate. So... Oh. You don't go through five wives when you've got a big truck, if you know what I'm saying.
The Lore Lads
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It would be funny if he did. I'd just be mean to him. Like, if he actually comes on the show, I'll be cordial. But if he were to pop up and chat, I'd just start making fun of the fact that he can't seem to keep a woman around. You'll make fun of him until he comes on the show? Yeah. Or until he... Maybe he's into that.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, I... only lodge lodge fans yeah uh the only lodge in the valley oh god i don't like that i don't like that one um yeah no it's uh i mean obviously chris chris we all know the reason that you you tried to abduct your daughter through the legal system is because you couldn't handle a latina
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, he just could not handle it. Nope. No. Stick to the Miles also, brother. But hey, I mean, look, man, I'm sure with that E6 pension, you are loaded. I can't. The other Navy people we know who are in our Discord and whatnot hate you. I feel bad. I think you're a disgrace to the Navy. I feel bad for other E6s. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
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I think it was like six out of the eight movies involve Christmas.
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um oh that reminds me i need to post drunk folklore i still haven't done that it'll go up this week maybe someone said i'm an irregular viewer one arm is longer than the other that was great all right so i never thought that i'd be looking up dog the bounty hunter he follows me no way you know i mean that's got to be an as of the last 20 minutes kind of thing yeah Looking for it.
The Lore Lads
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They cleared Bill Reynolds. And that was basically the only person I... So there's a couple of things. First of all, Barb Kostanek was a family friend of the Ramseys. And she, if I'm not mistaken, is the origin of the Santa Bill thing. That JonBenet told her there was going to be a secret Santa coming to visit. As far as I'm currently aware, nobody else heard JonBenet say that.
The Lore Lads
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And Barb did mention in interviews later on that Santa Bill seemed really creepy and weird. Meanwhile, Patsy gave him a hug after he spoke at the memorial service. Patsy also accused Linda Hoffman Pugh of being the murderer and then gave her a hug at the memorial service, which is not something you do if you think there's a genuine chance somebody murdered your daughter, Patsy.
The Lore Lads
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But when you add all of it up, it's just layer after layer after layer.
The Lore Lads
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James, James, James five. Oh, yeah. Right. Because it starts off with come now, you rich people weep and cry aloud over the miseries that are coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted and your clothing has become moth eaten. Your gold and silver have become corroded and their corrosion will be a witness against you and it will consume your flesh like fire. That's just the first six verses.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, that's insane. It should be made clear that Christianity is not inherently anti-wealth. It is anti-being wealthy and then not being generous with your wealth.
The Lore Lads
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It's anti-selfishness. So basically, the exact people being condemned by that are the Ramseys. Because, you know, they could have just given their housekeeper the bonus she needed for medical bills and rent, but instead they made it a loan. Naturally. $2,000, guys. Two grand. Yeah. We're a good, God-fearing Christian family, but God forbid we spend $2,000 on our housekeeper.
The Lore Lads
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We only have $6 million. Yeah, it's nuts. God, I hate the Ramseys.
The Lore Lads
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I do remember something being mentioned about the trash bins being out. And I feel like I remember there being something about... something being particularly heavy.
The Lore Lads
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Man, we live a weird life. Somebody goes, the mashup I didn't know I wanted till now. Oh, boy. Was it on your personal or the Lore Lodge? No, Lore Lodge. Yeah, Lore Lodge Twitter. Lore Lodge Twitter is a trip. Lore Lodge Twitter is mostly me arguing with conspiracy theorists.
The Lore Lads
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I'm not positive. Maybe she'll clarify. But...
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I don't know where the detail about the trash being particularly heavy comes from. I know that at 15, I was strong enough to drag basically any trash can out, and I'd drag one uphill for like 15 yards. Same.
The Lore Lads
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And we weren't any bigger than Sebastian. Oh, no, I was smaller, smaller than Sebastian. I was probably shorter and about the same size.
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So I don't think that there would be any issue with Sebastian getting a heavy trash bin out. And I don't think that searching the landfills was a waste of time at all. I think that that was that made perfect sense. At the very least, it ruled it out. Yeah. And it ruled it out because they didn't they didn't find him.
The Lore Lads
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So I don't think that it was necessarily a distraction. I think that that was good police work. That was one of the things is when this first came out, I was like, it seems like the police have done basically everything they can.
The Lore Lads
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As it went on, it was the fact that they were avoiding really putting the pressure on the proud foots, despite the fact that realistically, they're by far the most likely suspects. And now we're at a point where I think it's very clear to everybody that this was not a runaway situation. I mean, there is zero evidence the kid ran away.
The Lore Lads
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Like and I'll have some commentary on that in the video on Friday. But I. Sebastian did not. Did not run away from that home. He just didn't. I is an autistic kid who hated being barefoot and the cold. And he didn't. All of his shoes were there. Weird thing Katie wouldn't do is say exactly how many shoes Sebastian had.
The Lore Lads
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Probably because she thought, you know, oh, the police might make something of it. When realistically, if she just said the number, the police would have thought nothing. Not saying the number that made it seem more suspicious. Yep. Yeah. So I. All the shoes are accounted for. the grass was wet with dew, and yet there was no scent from a boy who was supposedly barefoot.
The Lore Lads
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We also know that Sebastian hated the cold and hated being barefoot outside. Maybe the Proudfoots think that nobody else has experience with autistic children? I wouldn't put it past Chris to be that stupid. So, no, I think checking the landfill was perfectly reasonable. I think that there's a lot that was done wrong here.
The Lore Lads
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I don't think any of it... I think the only thing the police really did wrong was not look closely at the Proudfoots. They should not have been allowed to leave town. That should have been absolutely out of the question. Um... They should not have been allowed to have the house cleaned.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah. It's mostly me arguing with conspiracy theorists and correcting people's bad takes about Christianity from both Christians and non-Christians.
The Lore Lads
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I mean, like, the moment that call came in, considering what happened with JonBenet, the moment that call came in, it should have been the police cordoning off the house. Nobody's allowed inside without a police escort.
The Lore Lads
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And even then, it should have been nobody's allowed inside without a police escort that has a camera. So... It's just so frustrating that 30 years later, we've learned nothing.
The Lore Lads
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Yes, thank you very much. We do read them all, we just don't necessarily answer them all. Yes. Because this is not a bad thing for us at all. It used to be that Super Chats were the only way we could fund the show, and now we get so many Super Chats that we can't get through all of them, and that is an incredible feeling that is so helpful to us, and it...
The Lore Lads
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you know especially in months like december where views are down always and expenses are up for the holidays yeah it's the everything you enjoy about this time of year is a little backwards for youtube creators so yeah i i think next next year we'll probably push a little harder on things like merch and coffee around christmas time to make up for the the lack of views um
The Lore Lads
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But yeah, thank you everybody for being here. For those of you who might be new, welcome, and I hope you enjoy what we do here at the channel. And I really do hope we can figure out what happened to Sebastian. I mean, there's a chance he's still alive. I hope he is. But if not, if I could achieve two things in my career right now, it would be If they are the people who did it.
The Lore Lads
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Putting Chris Proudfoot and Burke Ramsey behind bars. If I can make that happen, if they are the ones who are responsible, and I can make it happen, that's my goal. Otherwise, it's to get to the bottom of what happened. I mean, realistically, that is the prime goal.
The Lore Lads
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is find out what happened to these two people and then, you know, in any other cold cases we cover, doing the same thing. Never thought I would be doing this with my life, but I have a platform and I'm going to use it. Hopefully for good. So far. So far for good. Yep. Maybe just a little bit of evil.
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Just a little trolling. A little trolling. We do a little trolling.
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And hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and are looking forward to a very happy new year.
The Lore Lads
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Oh, that would be such a... That would be a delicate topic. I'll think about it. I don't think it's a bad idea because there are definitely some out there who you're like, come on. You call yourself a pastor and you're worth $7 million? That's the thing.
The Lore Lads
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I think it was an ownership thing when we were growing up. I think Warner Brothers owned ABC.
The Lore Lads
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yeah actually cite the bible verses that are like about not doing that yep um yeah and that one i can also cover uh john and patsy ramsey's fake christianity yeah let's go over that one of the things i hate most about those two aside from the fact that in my opinion they killed their daughter uh you know but allegedly allegedly uh but speaking of allegedly um chris proudfoot
The Lore Lads
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One of the things you're going to come across in this update is him tripping over himself a few more times. Not necessarily in the sense that I covered in the first series. I was going to say, have they done more interviews? He has. Chris Proudfoot cannot keep his mouth shut, and it's so funny. The video makes comparisons between John Ramsey and Chris Proudfoot.
The Lore Lads
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Specifically, Chris Proudfoot is not smart enough. He is not as smart as John Ramsey. John Ramsey is a smart man. You have to be. If he did what I think he did, you've got to be smart to get away with it. The problem is that Chris Proudfoot is a moron. I mean, this guy might be one of the dumbest people I've ever heard speak. He's one of those people who, you know, he's not actually that stupid.
The Lore Lads
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It's just he's got such bad Dunning-Kruger that it makes him stupid.
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Like, he goes from being average to, like, Yuba County 5 because of his... His inability to shut up. There are a few specific things that I go over in the new video. And then I want to go through some of these newer interviews as well. I firmly believe that Chris Proudfoot will talk himself into a corner. Katie just hired a lawyer. Oh, really? Yeah, that's actually not in the video.
The Lore Lads
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Because it just happened. Like, I don't believe that... If that had been... Maybe I just missed it, but I don't think that was news yet.
The Lore Lads
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These aren't smart people. But yeah, I mean, some of the stuff. So there is now CCTV footage of them in the Texas Roadhouse. There is some court TV stuff. A former FBI agent, Jennifer Coffin Daffer. She has a copy of the full video, the full footage. And she said some interesting things on court TV. About what she saw. And some of the unreleased stuff.
The Lore Lads
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Also, I mean, ABC Family was like what you watched. Yeah. There were less channels, folks. There were a lot less channels and no streaming services. Did you watch it other than the holidays, though? When they came out, yeah. Like, we would go to the theater to see them.
The Lore Lads
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And of course I don't think I said this in the video. Oh yeah I did say it in the video. Hey if you've got that kind of stuff. Stop keeping it to yourself. Like. What if you put that out there. And someone goes oh wait a second. That's my uncle who was there that night. I can ask him if he saw anything weird.
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, I mean, any footage like that related to this. But what drives me insane, because we've never done this, is when we come across footage of something, we put it in the video so people can see it. Or we link to it. We tell people where we found it, you know?
The Lore Lads
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Yeah, so, I mean, when we get the chance, we put the relevant footage into our video so that we're not being like, I have something you don't have. And I get it to some extent. No, I don't, because this is how we make our living, too.