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When True Crime Becomes Crime Drama | Podcast Episode 154

Thu, 09 Jan 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

1.578 - 13.552 John

And we're back. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Lore Lodge. I don't know which camera. It's that one. Hi, welcome back to the Lore Lodge. Archie is here. He's in studio. He's not facing the camera, but are we really surprised?

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15.274 - 20.377 Matt

Great time in the snow today. Dude was having a vibe and a half in the snow today.

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43.72 - 61.167 John

So just thought you should see this because what we're about to talk about is not happy. So here's some Archie for you. This is the happiness. This is the happiness that we're starting the day with. And then it's about to get sad. Would you like down or up? Here we go.

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61.848 - 62.808 Chris Proudfoot

Once again, he is baby.

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62.928 - 92.14 John

He is baby. So he'll get a few scratches. Anyway, I have just started working on the next JonBenet video, part four. I thought this was going to be a particularly long one-part video, and I was wrong. But I started working on part four today, and that was a little bit of reacquainting myself with what we'd already done. It's been a few weeks, but then also sort of jumping through.

92.2 - 100.646 John

And we're finally getting to the part that I feel like I am best at when it comes to this, which is the interview analysis.

100.906 - 102.968 Chris Proudfoot

Yeah, I know you've been looking forward to this for several weeks.

103.668 - 118.493 John

For those of you who have seen the Sebastian Rogers series, and now the just full documentary that went up on Friday, you'll know most of what I did with that case was comparing interviews, looking for inconsistencies in the story.

118.953 - 141.218 John

Because when you have no physical evidence, which is basically the case with JonBenet, I mean, the intruder did it side will argue till the cows come home that the unknown DNA proves that the Ramseys had nothing to do with this. And in my opinion, First of all, I keep seeing more and more coverage that says the intruder, the DNA is not as strong of a profile as they keep insisting it is.

Chapter 2: What went wrong in the JonBenet Ramsey case?

1129.199 - 1151.995 John

I mean, I had somebody on Twitter yesterday, I think it was, accuse me of being a mod for Seth's channel. And my response was, I don't have time to do my own live streams, let alone moderate somebody else's. I don't have time. But there's just this default assumption that you're on one side or the other. You must be biased. You must be part of Team Rogers or Team Proudfoot.

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1152.015 - 1164.658 John

There's no other alternative. Nobody considers the fact that you might sit here as a third party going, hey, I have no skin in this game. I just want the kid found. That's inconceivable to a lot of these people.

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1165.469 - 1191.885 John

perfect you know i i've had my moments but i don't understand what happened here and i think it all it's just once again another weird thing where like non-law enforcement amateur web sleuths for lack of a better term and i know the irony i get it i understand the irony of me saying this a lot of these people get involved and

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1193.146 - 1221.05 John

And they are so emotionally connected to their point of view that they cannot set aside the biases. And usually it's not a big deal. You know, with the Rogers case, it's not a huge deal because nobody seems to have, for lack of a better term, classified information. Nobody's got their hands on something nobody else has. But with Jameson, with Sue Bennett, she's got it all.

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1221.631 - 1249.234 John

She's got pages of transcripts and DNA analysis and interviews, and we don't get to see it. I mean, I've said for a long time, if I have access to something that would benefit the public's interest, I will release it. Or at the very least, I will offer to release it. Like, I might not just put it up there, but if somebody comes to me and says, hey, can I take a look at that?

1249.254 - 1251.475 John

I'm going to say, yeah, sure, why not? What you doing?

1252.655 - 1253.355 Chris Proudfoot

Just checking something.

1253.696 - 1257.057 John

Okay. But yeah, I feel like I'm talking to myself here.

1258.877 - 1264.759 Chris Proudfoot

Sorry, just confirming whether or not the Seth R. Rogers interview is actually.

Chapter 3: How do the Sebastian Rogers and JonBenet Ramsey cases compare?

5439.171 - 5465.852 John

easy to read and as far as the modern English translations go it's very accurate I will say if you're in for a little bit more of a challenge you don't want to deal with necessarily all of the early modern English but you do want a very literal translation the Lexham English Bible is awesome it is all online you can get it for a free app and it's got a bunch of really great study tools too nice

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5468.115 - 5484.323 Chris Proudfoot

We have another one that's kind of another case recommendation. It seems like a series of recommendations, actually, from Holding Cairns for $5 saying, have either of you heard about Hinterkaifeck or the two Dutch girls who went missing in Panama or this man who went missing in a Swiss village?

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5486.124 - 5518.232 John

The two girls who went missing in Panama, I believe I remember from Mr. Ballin episode. Okay. The other two, however, no. Unless the Swiss village one, it might be... I know there was a missing 411 about that where it turned out to not be nearly as weird as it was portrayed to be. Uh, shocker. Um, But Hinterkaifeck, no. Let me look that one up and see. What would that be? How was it spelled?

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5518.252 - 5530.921 Chris Proudfoot

I'll tell you in one second. It was H-I-N-T-E-R-K-A-I-F-E-C-K. Hinterkaifeck.

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5533.553 - 5553.746 John

Also, the Hinterkaifeck murders occurred on the evening of 31st of March, 1922, when six inhabitants of a small Bavarian homestead located approximately 60 kilometers, 70 kilometers north of Munich were murdered by an unknown assailant. Six victims were Andreas Gruber, his wife, Katsila, their widowed daughter, Victoria, Victoria's children, and the maid.

5554.827 - 5569.795 John

They were all found struck dead with a mattock, also known as a grub axe. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. The perpetrator or perpetrators lived with the six corpses of their victims for three days.

5573.559 - 5573.719 Matt

What?

5575.22 - 5578.524 Chris Proudfoot

Weird. That's intense.

5584.831 - 5584.951 Matt

Yeah.

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