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Chapter 1: What strange events led to this podcast episode?
Hello. Not sure what that was about. Yeah, Streamlabs broke. Streamlabs said bye. Useful chairs again. Yep. Where were we?
We're keeping it interesting for the people. You were just about to get into how the panel discussion went.
Right. Yeah. So for those who weren't here, because we're probably going to take down the old 30 second long live from a minute and a half ago. But for those who were not here to see what happened in the 13 minutes directly preceding us hitting go live on this stream. Thanks, Streamlabs. I had a weird experience after we did our most recent Sebastian Rogers series. And so here's the thing.
We did that stream. This was probably our fifth or sixth stream directly related to Sebastian Rogers. Livestream, by the way. It was also the fourth time we've put out a video essay on the Sebastian Rogers disappearance. Aiden, you know what I found out on Tuesday? What did you find out on Tuesday? None of the people who talk about Sebastian Rogers were aware that we exist. What do you mean?
We put our series out in July and a whole bunch of these people were like getting mad at me for just trying to jump in now. And then the better part was that they like watched our live stream and and somehow perceived that that was the documentary we made.
interesting interesting right um i mean i can forgive them for not necessarily knowing who we are but considering these are people that to my understanding are exclusively talking about this like all they do yeah and and the content made about it considering i i think our videos did reasonably well to say the least damn well yeah it's surprising that they wouldn't have been made aware of them at some point and this isn't like a bragging issue i'm just confused
Yeah, no. Why do you think I just now got... First of all, I explained in the... And here's what I realized is they didn't even watch the video from Friday. From last Friday. Well, the other thing is, did they invite you on the show? No, not necessarily. But when you use my name and tag me, I'm going to consider that an invite. And they had their StreamYards link in the chat so anybody could join.
They run these things like panels where just anyone can join. If they hadn't seen your stuff, why were they talking about you? Because they saw the live stream we did a week ago. Ah, and then I, and that's it. Yeah. So that kind of, which again was weird because over and over in that live stream, I referenced our documentary, our documentary, our previous live stream, our documentary.
When we started covering this case in July, like, so anyway, I went on, I went on, there were two that mentioned us by name. They were Cluminati who fair. I did shit on her.
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Chapter 2: What insights were gained from the Sebastian Rogers case?
They're telling me like, well, didn't you know that Bullhorn Betty, who what is Bullhorn Betty's relevance to the night Sebastian disappeared? I like Bullhorn Betty. I said that she was like started to go fund me so that she could buy a gun that she said she was going to use to shoot Terry Bauer socks. So I look into it a little bit, and I... No. That's not what happened at all.
Weird that a felon is lying about another potential felon. Wait, so what did actually happen? I haven't... I don't want to go into the details on stream right now. Okay. I will. We will be going into those details. When they become relevant, which will be when we're sitting down with Steve Fisher. He's going to be on the show on the 20th. He is the Proudfoots PI. I...
We're also going to be sitting down with Tony Mathis and Seth Rogers. Tony is Seth's spokesperson. A lot of people have been like, why does Seth need a spokesperson? I think the exact reason Seth needs a spokesperson is some of the stuff that they pointed to Seth saying on panels where, to be honest, he said some pretty immature and stupid stuff.
It was nothing that was incriminating in the case in the sense that like it would have anything to do with this disappearance. But it was stuff where you're like, why would you say that? Yeah, it's just kind of a weird thing to say. So part of what I'm going to do, we bring Seth and Tony on. And Tony said to me that Seth will answer any and all questions. So I'm excited about that.
One thing is going to do is ask about those things. But I'm also going to be asking Steve Fisher for evidence of the accusations he's made against certain people. I some of the claims that he has made about I. who was where and when and things like that, you know, who has an alibi, who doesn't, you know, what can he verify?
Because one of the things that's been coming since the very beginning of the case, law enforcement, to my knowledge, has never actually said that they confirmed Chris Proudfoot was at work the entire night. But Seth keeps saying he was, or not Seth, Steve keeps saying he was, and Chris keeps saying he was. So things like that. But on this panel with Queen B, I hop on. And what was fascinating to me
is there were two things. One, the reason I got on is because somebody told me on Twitter that Queen Bee told her audience in that show that I had been speaking to Seth and Tony. I want to be very clear. I did not speak to Seth or Tony until after that panel. So I hopped on the panel to simply say, just want to, you know, correct the record here.
I have never had a conversation with either of these people. I told Seth in who was in my chat. Come on, you know, come on the show. Say your piece. Just like I said to Chris, I Tony eventually called me later that night and he and I had a conversation. We decided they're going to come on the show. Still working on getting that exact date scheduled, but it will be sometime in the near future.
But what I thought was really odd, really interesting about the Queen Bee one, and I know she's probably going to try and dig up something about me now that I've pointed out the felonious history, but I've acknowledged pretty much every effed up thing I've ever done or said, as far as I'm aware. So, happy hunting, I guess. But...
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Chapter 3: What controversies arose around the coverage of Sebastian Rogers?
And then in the many instances that you have uncovered being on these shows and looking into the research of who is in support of Chris Brownfoot, where are these rose-colored glasses coming from? What is the reason?
That's got to be the weirdest part for me. I have yet to see a single instance where this guy looked sympathetic. Yeah, and that's why it's so confusing. He never comes across as somebody I'd want to root for, so there's not even an emotional thing there. And then you look at the stuff he says, and, I mean, he makes fun of the fact that Sebastian likes to dance.
He clearly doesn't have a good grasp on how autism works. He talks about hitting the kid with a belt multiple times, having CPS called multiple times. Like, at... Where in the process did this guy gain a fan base? Is this like with serial killers, how they they have their people that write to them who fall in love with them?
That's what I was thinking. I mean, it may be a similar instance in which he and Katie became a thing.
Yeah, I just don't I don't get it. Now there's a whole bunch of people talking about, oh, well, you know, Nina cheated on him and there had to be a paternity test. And I've asked for evidence of that over and over and over again, and nobody's been able to produce it. I'm told it happened. If it's so obvious, if it's so well-known in this case... Where is the evidence?
Where's the video of her saying she did it? Where is the receipts? Where are the text messages? Also, there were a lot of people who were talking about, you know, me just saying things if they were fact. For example, Nina Gomez, the claims she made when in our documentary, what I actually say is she made all of these claims. A lot of these would be corroborable. The police should do that.
That's all I said. I never said all of this actually happened. I went as far as to say, even in the update video from last Friday, not this past Friday, the last one, I even said the things she says should be seen as a little bit suspect considering the nature of her relationship with Chris. And they just breeze past all the context and ignore it. I just, I don't get it. But, I mean...
you see kind of the same thing with David Politis with a lot of the cases we talked about on Friday. And I think that there's kind of this, I'm sure it happens with non-child related cases, but a lot with child related cases because they just get so much attention. People don't want to believe certain possibilities, right?
Those possibilities are typically parents hurting their children or children just wandering off. There's got to be something else that happened. Now, in Sebastian's case, the evidence suggests he didn't wander off. Looking at the cases we covered on Friday, though, most of those did seem like a child just wandering off. And you know what I think is really interesting about it? What's that?
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Chapter 4: How do the Proudfoots fit into the disappearance narrative?
Yeah, I mean, it's disrespectful to the people involved. It convinces a lot of people out there that there are these weird things happening that aren't. And it kind of devalues the stuff that actually is weird. Like, that's... A lot of people who watch our videos now probably don't realize it, but when the channel started, I thought Politis was onto something. I was trying to prove him right.
I only got here because I realized, oh, he's making things up. It's frustrating. Somebody was like, why would you kick a man when he's down? What do you mean when he's down? He's making money off of this. He's allowed to make money off of this, but I'm not allowed to make money off of this? I'm not allowed to criticize him? If he wants to criticize me, he's welcome to do so.
I'm not going to complain. Um, you know, and I've, I've wanted to get him on the show. I've wanted to ask him point blank, like what is going on here? Like, are these cases where you just had bad information and you didn't realize it? What's, what's the deal?
I think the fact that on North American Bigfoot search, the website for that, which is his Bigfoot organization, the fact that missing four on one is listed. Yeah. Put two and two together, man. Um, Yeah, but I just that said, there are some weird ones. The moon madness one is weird because it's probably criminal. The big man with a knife one is weird because it's probably criminal.
And then there's some even weirder ones like this guy who is a clinical psychologist from Trenton who goes and attends a conference in Westchester, which David Politis very incorrectly identifies as being near the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon, which is several way north. Yeah, it's like three hours minimum north. Probably four. Yeah, that's like Lycoming County.
No, it's even further north than Lycoming. It's Gaines. It's like Pine Grove. It's almost New York. Yeah. Like it's closer to Ohio than Pennsylvania or than Westchester. Also, several of the cases he includes are from Maryland and New York. One's from Ohio, and it's actually within, like, five miles of the border. I'll give him that one.
But one of the New York ones is further away from Pennsylvania than Staten Island is from New Hope, Pennsylvania.
Yeah, and isn't there also one of the Maryland ones? Because there's two Maryland ones.
One's closer to D.C. Yeah, it's, like, way south of Baltimore. Yeah, it's, like, at the bottom part of Maryland. Some of these are northern-tier Pennsylvania. Some are southern-tier New York. But this one with the clinical psychologist I'm actually really interested in because, first of all, if I'm not mistaken here, I found exactly two articles about it. Interesting.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of law enforcement's actions in child disappearance cases?
I know. I'm working on it. I gotta get skinny. I gotta get sexy. Do you want a calendar of me after the holiday season?
I think everybody, honestly, would probably prefer that. Oh, God. I will say, though, we have officially acquired the means of production of the calendars, so it really is just now down to us actually taking the pictures. Would you say that we've seized them? We have seized the means of calendar production. Yes. Without a doubt.
Also, you can learn about seizing the means of production...
uh in the sense that it led to the creation of 50 shades of gray on history unhinged which comes out the first episode drops on february 1st over on the channel history unhinged uh tomorrow the first clip drops on that channel so how frequently are we dropping the clips by well the the clips will be i'm not entirely sure yet probably once every couple of days we depending on how many we end up having we will have enough to do one a day if you want it
I don't want to give away the whole thing at once. That's true. Yeah. So probably every other day.
Yeah.
And then that will lead up to a February 1st premiere. I think probably around 3 p.m. We want to make sure that we're not conflicting with the unsubscribed podcast for their upload time.
So we want to give ourselves the opportunity to be a fun little back to back without capital or cannibalizing their views. Exactly.
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Chapter 6: How does tribalism affect discussions on missing children?
I'll be honest, I had kind of forgotten about Casper, but now I'm definitely going to go back and look at Casper. Yeah. Because I'll be real with you guys. I'm not sure we're going to have another missing 411 cluster after Pennsylvania. Really? I mean, I think we've gotten to the bottom of it. I mean, yeah. Like, it depends if the rest of the cases in the book are as weak.
Like, the Great Smokies cases were actually fairly strong.
Yeah.
Most of them were pretty weird. It took me a while to figure out what probably happened.
Yeah.
pennsylvania so far it's been a lot of this was either criminal or this is not weird we'll see there are there were a couple that i remember being like okay would you want to go through them all even if we did multiple ones per episode that might be what we do is it might be like the ohio cluster is one video yeah the new york cluster is one video
The main reason I'm thinking about that is because to be able to do a missing four-on-one meta-analysis, so if it's like we investigated every missing four-on-one case, and then to be able to lay it all out of which ones are weird, which ones aren't, why, and then what the meta-hypothesis of all of it would be, it'd be kind of cool to have the most put-together and thorough missing four-on-one video on YouTube.
Yeah, I think we'll definitely I'll definitely consider doing that. It's just a matter of like, I don't think we'll see another series like Great Smokies. Fair.
uh and then miss maury's saying uh i would invite you guys to my family reunion slash wedding just to record you and my dad talking about religion and history while drunk yeah that could be a podcast that could be fun yeah drunk theology yeah that's basically terrible idea uh it could be fun uh gum for five dollars says devon catholics already don't like me enough Yeah, that's fair.
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