Jeremy Howard on Building 5,000 AI Products with 14 People (Answer AI Deep-Dive)
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What is the overall vision behind Answer AI and its “General Electric of AI” ambition?
We've basically built a system to allow You and the AI to together construct a dialogue. Imagine bringing together like cursor And clawed code and chat GPT and Jupyter Notebox. smushed together. It's kind of got all of that functionality. But then when you do that, you end up with something way more than the sum of its parts. We're gonna have twelve to fourteen people create five to ten thousand extremely commercially successful products.
Welcome back to the Mad Podcast. Today, my guest is Jeremy Howard, the Kaggle legend, beloved AI educator through FastAI, and also co-founder of Enter AI, a fascinating 14-person RD lab that plans to launch thousands of AI products with a tiny team. In this episode, we dig into the dialogue engineering workflow Jeremy's team uses to code and build alongside models like Quen and DeepC. and discuss Jeremy's no mercy verdict on Devin and the coding agent hype.
And it ended up with kind of vibe-coded stuff that we couldn't really build on top of, which has no value.
Along the way you'll hear fearless takes on test time compute and where we are on the path to AGI.
I don't think we have any more evidence that ASI might be close now than we did fifteen years ago.
This conversation is a refreshing, no-nonsense perspective on the AI hype. From a world-class expert who's been in the deep learning field for over 30 years and has seen all its ups and downs. Please enjoy this great chat with Jeremy Howard. Jerry, welcome.
How does Jeremy assess the current state of open‑source AI versus closed‑source models?
Thanks for doing this. Thank
you, Matt. Nice to see you again.
You just coming back from ICLR, which was in Singapore uh this year, a couple of weeks ago as we were recording this. Um any highlights for you? What caught your attention?
It was actually really interesting. That I was there with most of my team and we all turned up to day one and for the first time at a conference I realized I She didn't find anything interesting. And then I went and sat at a local cafe and Send a message to my colleagues and say, Are you You wanna catch up? I'm here. People started dropping by. I had extremely interesting conversations with them. Quickly realized actually We've gotten so far off the you know, academic normal research check now that no one cares about anything we care about on the whole. And vice versa.
We're gonna go into how you're building a very different kind of research lab and like a very different take. But as as we do this, one of the one of the key things that uh you all seem to be advocating for in pretty much your entire career is uh open source. And I was curious before we get into the specifics of of NSR AI, of uh, you know, maybe your your high level take on open source today in the AI world. If you if you listen to different people, like some people People uh said, Well, last year was the year where open source AI really caught up with commercial closed source AI. If you listen to other people say, Well, actually the the the gap actually probably widened and you don't see that much open source uh actual deployments.
What do you make of it from your perspective?
Well, just judging by the actions that we've chosen to take, we're very well funded, so on the whole our choices at this stage are not very cost driven. Two of the three models that we rely on in our day to day production stuff are open source. Bing. Quen and Deep Seek. I guess we've decided we like them very much. They give us a level of flexibility to tune things to be exactly the way we want, which we can't get from commercial models.
But for the rest of the world, like you you guys are deep deep experts, uh but for the the rest of the industry, where do you think we are?
I think that's all that matters though, right? Like it's it's always the early adopters that tell you where everybody's gonna be in two years' time. So it's also interesting that all you know, all the best open source is coming out of China now. So they seem to have a much more kind of pro social approach to this Where else oddly the US companies that used to lead the way have Oh drawn up the the draw bridges and that's gonna cause China to
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the overall vision behind Answer AI and its “General Electric of AI” ambition?
0:00–1:36
2
How does Jeremy assess the current state of open‑source AI versus closed‑source models?
1:36–4:40
3
What was the “DeepSeek moment” and why does Jeremy think it was over‑hyped?
4:40–6:03
4
Why does Jeremy believe test‑time compute is the next big efficiency win in AI?
6:03–9:32
5
What is Jeremy’s stance on AGI/ASI and how realistic does he think it is today?
9:32–12:22
6
How did Jeremy’s unconventional path—from philosophy to Kaggle champion to entrepreneur—shape his approach to AI?
12:22–16:05
7
What is Answer AI’s business model and how does it stay financially sustainable while remaining mission‑driven?
16:05–19:05
8
How does the “dialogue engineering” workflow and tools like Solve‑It, Shellsage, and FastHTML enable such rapid product shipping?
19:05–55:02
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