The $4.5B Platform Driving the Open Source AI Revolution | Clem Delangue, CEO, Hugging Face
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What is Hugging Face and why is it valued at $4.5 B?
Hi, I'm Matt Turk. Welcome to the Matt Podcast. Today we have a fantastic episode with Clement Delong, the CEO of Hugging Face. Hugging Face. Hugging Face. Hugging Face. Hugging Face has had a remarkable rise in the AI space, from creating the Transformers Library to becoming a key platform where the AI community collaborates on models, data sets, and applications, most recently valued at $4.5 billion. We covered a bunch of Of topics including hugging face's pivot story.
I think I'm gonna spend the weekends hacking around it. And then on Monday he releases and tweets about it. We get maybe like a thousand likes on his tweet. Well we broke the internet. The geopolitics of open source. China has been publishing much more open source AI. They're probably the leader today of open source AI.
And why AI founders should just trash the Lin startup handbook.
Think a lot of the things that we learn with traditional software are like outdated with AI.
Please enjoy this conversation packed with insights with one of the most important CEOs in AI today. Hey Glem, how are you? Pretty good.
Thanks for having
me. We're recording this today in New York, uh which used to be your stomping grounds, but um you're uh you're in Miami, right? You've been in Miami for a few years?
Yeah, I'm I'm French. Uh grew up in France, as you can hear from my accent. Uh and then I moved to New York. Spent eight years in New York. And during COVID I did the cliche move from uh from New York to Miami. But I'm also travelling a lot, so still spending quite a lot of time in in New York, in San Francisco, in Paris.
Why did Clem choose to live and work in Miami instead of New York or San Francisco?
I should give the the the disclaimer up front. Actually uh a few weeks ago I was uh had a wonderful chat with uh Olivier from Data Dog and uh I uh gave the warning that uh it was gonna be a conversation between two French people speak English to each other which You know, so people have been warned again. Any thoughts on um on you know, Miami versus New York versus in particular San Francisco? There is this uh dominant narrative that um Olei is built in San Francisco. Is is that a problem for you to not be in San Francisco?
Not so much. Uh to Gingface we have a fully remote culture. So we have people like all over, including in in San Francisco, in New York, in in Miami. Me personally, I uh I enjoy kind of like the the move from from New York to to Miami. It's making me happy, which uh I think is uh important yeah, important step for for co founder, for a CEO to be uh to be good uh at his job. Um so it's been uh it's been quite a good move for me.
And so you're fully distributed but uh you have a large office in Paris these days, is that is that fair?
Yeah, so we're a hybrid company. Uh so people can work from anywhere in the world. Usually when there are a couple of uh people, three, four, five people, they take an office in the city that they are at. So I think we have maybe uh twelve, thirteen uh small offices all over the world. Uh the biggest one being Paris, where we have I think around twenty 25% of the team based based here. The three founders of uh Hugging Face are are French. So we have quite quite a lot of uh French roots. Uh but we consider ourselves like an international company. So not an Amerikan company, not a French company, but an international company with people from all over the world.
You you've become uh one of the leading voices in open source uh AI. What uh would you say is the current state of open source AI?
Three, four years ago. Um AI was extremely open and collaborative. Uh all the research uh that was created was published. Most of the models were open sourced, right? So at the time, as you mentioned, it was GPT, GPT2, there was there was BERT, there was Excelnet. Um obviously Google uh kicked off this wave with attention is all you need, which is like the seminal paper for for Transformers, which is the T in in Chat GPT. Um over the following years, uh the field had become uh became a bit more closed, a bit more commercial commercially driven, right? Some of the big players started to uh share a little bit less of their research, uh open source models, a bit a bit more, a bit less actually, uh and put them behind behind AP APIs.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is Hugging Face and why is it valued at $4.5 B?
0:00–1:31
2
Why did Clem choose to live and work in Miami instead of New York or San Francisco?
1:31–6:10
3
How has the open‑source AI landscape changed over the past few years?
6:10–13:30
4
What role should government regulation play in the development of AI?
13:30–20:21
5
How do open‑source AI efforts differ between the United States and China?
20:21–28:18
6
Are commercial large language models just ‘training wheels’ for enterprises?
28:18–36:21
7
How did Hugging Face evolve from a chatbot to the leading AI collaboration platform?
36:21–45:00
8
What is the future vision for Hugging Face’s business model, culture, and AI modalities?
45:00–1:07:01
Speakers
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