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Martin Gutmann on why we celebrate the wrong leaders

21 Apr 2026

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In our recent Digital Fireside with Martin Gutmann, bestselling author, speaker, historian and management professor, we explore his book The Unseen Leader: How History Can Help Us Rethink Leadership. Lauren Cooper, Lead Commercial Manager at Clear Score and a member of the MarketingKind community, interviews Martin to discover why we celebrate the wrong leaders, what history can teach us about great leadership and the things we need to actually look out for to identify good leaders.We learn leadership lessons from Homer Simpson. And we explore how our own biases get in the way and why leaders like Trump, who lurch from crisis to crisis in a sensational manner, are considered “great”.We are predisposed to see leadership in people who:~ Speak more - regardless of what they say~ Appear confident - regardless of how competent they are~ Are perpetually busy - regardless of what they are doingThis of course creates a toxic culture where people actually doing good work feel overlooked and unmotivated.And this is a self perpetuating cycle.We need to reimagine what good leadership looks like.We need to celebrate those who mitigate crises.And ask ourselves who actually led the team to success?Martin encourages us to focus on leaders who have the right contextual balance between:1) Confidence and Humility2) Values and Pragmatism3) Vision and the Mundane We also cover Shackleton-related hate mail and the importance of storytelling and self-promotion.Martin’s reading recommendations include:The Sociology of Work by Keith GrintWhy Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? by Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic Spencer Harrison's recent article in The Atlantic - https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7125163/2026/03/20/nba-leadership-culture-mistakes-warriors/The Culture Map by Erin MeyerLearn more about Martin’s work here.Buy a copy of The Unseen Leader here.And learn more about MarketingKind membership here.

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13:00H | 21 DIC 2025 | Fin de Semana

10:00H | 21 DIC 2025 | Fin de Semana

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2ª PARTE | 06 ENE 2026 | EL PARTIDAZO DE COPE

3ª PARTE | 22 ENE 2026 | EL PARTIDAZO DE COPE

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