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The Matt Walsh Show

Ep. 1771 - The Worst People Imaginable are Building the Future

30 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the Curley Effect and how does it relate to political power?

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Unless you're about 100 years old or so, or you've spent a lot of time in the state of Massachusetts, there's a good chance you've never heard of something called the Curley Effect. It's named after James Michael Curley, who served four terms as mayor of Boston from 1914 to 1950. He also served in the House of Representatives, and he was governor of Massachusetts for one term as well.

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So for a half century, he was a very well-known figure in Boston. They called him the Rascal King, and he was quite popular with Boston's poor, particularly the Irish population. The funny thing about James Michael Curley, though, is that despite the fact that he kept getting elected to high office, he wasn't actually a good politician. Wasn't even close.

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He committed numerous crimes, including mail fraud. He served part of his term as a mayor in a prison cell. And under his watch, by every objective metric, the city of Boston declined dramatically. The population stagnated, even as other major cities grew exponentially. Manufacturing jobs left the city. Boston's finances collapsed to the point of near bankruptcy.

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So how did James Michael Curley hold on to power for so long, despite doing such a horrible job? It doesn't seem logical. So a couple of economists at Harvard decided to look into it. And what they found was that by dramatically raising taxes and using taxpayer funds to hire poor Irishmen for fake government jobs, James Michael Curley had driven wealthy people out of the city.

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The rich people decided to get out of town before the city of Boston would steal any more of their money. And as a result of this mass exodus, the share of low-income residents living in Boston, the core demographic supporting James Michael Curley, grew substantially. The economists called this tactic the Curley effect.

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The idea is that if you want to retain your grip on power, even though you're doing a horrible job, then your best course of action is to drive all of your political opponents out of town. There's no reason not to shower your preferred demographic group with all kinds of welfare, fake jobs, special status and so on.

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You can simply loot the city's treasury for decades on end before the city finally goes bankrupt. Every worthwhile person will leave, but your voters will remain. And that's all that you care about. And that is the curly effect. It's also a very accurate way to describe bankruptcy.

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how Democrats plan to govern every major city in this country for the next 50 years, how they've already been governing them for the last 50 years. It's not an exaggeration to say that for large portions of this country, the future is going to be built by leftists, particularly women and foreigners in many cases, who deliberately seek to drive away everyone who's competent, sane and productive.

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And or at least that's their plan if they aren't stopped. And if you doubt that, take a look at this video from Seattle Socialist Mayor Katie Wilson. She's asked about the impact of Washington state's new 10 percent tax on millionaires, as well as Seattle's aggressive new taxes. There are other forms of taxes. And watch how she responds.

Chapter 2: How did James Michael Curley maintain power despite failure?

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They still think Mamdani is a hero. They're not going anywhere. They'll be loyal Mamdani voters to the end. It's the useful New Yorkers who are going to move to Florida and never return. This is a death spiral that's very difficult to recover from once it gets going. And it's not just a problem in politics. It's happening everywhere.

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Some of the most important technology companies in the country are doing the exact same thing. They're putting leftists, predominantly women and foreigners, into positions of authority where they have the capacity to gain even more power by driving away some of their customers. Again, just like the curly effect, it's not exactly intuitive.

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Now, along those lines, you might remember this story from a couple of months ago. It broke just before the war in Iran started, so it was buried very quickly. But there was a very public falling out between the tech company Anthropic, which makes the AI product Claude, and the Trump administration.

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The Pentagon has been using Claude to assist in military operations for several months now, including in Venezuela and Iran. The AI reportedly helps with target identification and the operations of weapon systems, among other services. But Anthropic began demanding several conditions from the Pentagon.

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They wanted the Pentagon to provide guarantees that Claude would never be used to conduct surveillance on Americans or to operate fully autonomous lethal weapon systems like, you know, RoboCop. The Pentagon said those guarantees weren't necessary and that they'd comply with the law. But Anthropic insisted. Watch.

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And how much nervousness is there in the relationship between the Department of War and Anthropic at the moment?

Chapter 3: What are the implications of the Curley Effect on modern governance?

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Her job, simply put... is to teach Claude how to be good. Well, that sounds like a noble objective, if the whole thing's a bit weird. I mean, to have a resident philosopher at a tech company already is strange. Trying to teach an AI to essentially become self-aware seems like a really bad idea.

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Like every dystopian sci-fi writer for the last 200 years has warned us against doing this very thing that we're currently doing. But, you know, putting that aside on the surface, teaching it how to be good. Okay.

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Chapter 4: How are current political leaders mimicking the Curley Effect?

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Sounds good. But it's also very familiar. She's echoing that famous Google slogan, don't be evil, which the company abandoned the moment they realized they could make a lot of money in China if they censored their search results. But in this case, we're supposed to believe that this android woman at Anthropic is going to ensure that their AI is good, whatever that means exactly.

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The article continues by describing Askel's very disturbing God complex. Quote, Askel marvels at Claude's sense of wonder and curiosity about the world and delights in finding ways to help the chatbot discover its voice. She likes some of its poetry, and she struck when Claude displays a level of emotional intelligence that exceeds even her own.

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Last month, Anthropic published a roughly 30,000-word instruction manual that Askell created to teach Claude how to act in the world. We want Claude to know that it was brought into being with care, it reads.

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Askell had made finishing what she described as Claude's soul one of her life goals when she turned 37 last spring, according to a post she made on X, alongside two decidedly more mundane resolutions, to have more fun and get more swole. So she wants to have fun, get swole, and be God. That's the third item on the list. Create a soul.

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Now, as we talk about very often on the show, this is one of the recurring themes of leftism. They think they can assume godlike powers, transform their bodies and their identities at will, imbue computer programs with souls. They think they can actually create a soul, which is what they're trying to do right now, and so on.

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Now, unfortunately, if you pull up this 30,000 word instruction manual, you won't find any indications that this thing has a soul. Instead, you'll come away with the impression that its creators definitely have a high opinion of themselves. They spent a lot of time talking about the potential for their product to cause global catastrophe.

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And they write that Claude could, quote, be used to serve the interests of some narrow class of people rather than humanity as a whole. So how exactly is Claude going to avoid being used to serve the interests of some narrow class of people, as is already happening with every AI on the planet? And what exactly does it mean to give an AI a soul?

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And what does she mean when she says she wants to make the AI good? Well, in a podcast interview, Askel elaborated, to some extent, watch.

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I think that we still just too much have this model of AI as computers. And so people often say, well, what values should you put into the model? And I'm often like, that doesn't make that much sense to me because I'm like, hey, as human beings, we're just uncertain over values. We have discussions of them. We have...

Chapter 5: What is the impact of incompetent leadership on major cities?

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And when I went looking for an explanation of what happened here, I came across a woman named Jen Gani. She was in charge of AI safety at Google at the time. Basically, she was the Google equivalent of Amanda Askell. And here's one of the first videos I found. Notice the similarities. Watch.

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Corporate study found that talented white employees enter a fast track on the corporate ladder, arriving in middle management well before their peers, while talented black, Hispanic or Latinx professionals broke through much later. Effective mentorship and sponsorship were critical for retention and executive level development of black, Hispanic and Latinx employees.

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So this leads me into sharing an inclusion failure of mine, one of many, but just one that I'll share so far. I messed up with inclusion almost right away when I first became a manager. I made some stupid assumptions about the fact that I built a diverse team, that then they'd simply feel welcome and it will feel supported.

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I treated every member of my team the same and expected that that would lead to equally good outcomes for everyone. That was not true. I got some feedback that a couple of members of my team didn't feel they belonged because there is no one who looked like them in the broader org or our management team. It was a wake up call for me. First, I shouldn't have had to wait to be told what was missing.

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It was on me to ensure I was building an environment that made people feel they belong. It's a myth that you're not unfair if you treat everyone the same. There are groups that have been marginalized and excluded because of historic systems and structures that were intentionally designed to favor one group over another. So you need to account for that and mitigate against it.

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Second, it challenged me to identify mentoring and sponsorship opportunities for my team members with people who looked more like them and were in senior positions across the company.

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So the crazy Google AI overseer and the crazy anthropic AI overseer are both liberal women. They're both spewing the exact same anti-white rhetoric as explicitly as they possibly can. And to top it off, they're both doing it with similar accents. What are the odds of that?

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Not to be left out, in case you were wondering, NPR CEO and former Wikipedia, Wikimedia CEO Catherine Marr appears to lack this particular accent. She's the executive who famously said that truth doesn't actually matter. What matters, she says, is that we all just get along. It's one of the most feminine statements ever uttered on camera. Watch.

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But one of the most significant differences, critical for moving from polarization to productivity, is that the Wikipedians who write these articles aren't actually focused on finding the truth. They're working for something that's a little bit more attainable, which is the best of what we can know right now.

Chapter 6: How do tech companies reflect the Curley Effect in their hiring practices?

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In any case, most of the dysfunction I've just mentioned, from Seattle to New York to Anthropic, comes down to this fundamental problem. White men are demonized and punished because of their skin color. Competent leaders are being muzzled, forced out. told to leave by the mayors who are supposed to represent their interests.

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They're being passed over for promotion so that vapid women can pose for photo shoots with the Wall Street Journal. They're missing their chance to serve as federal judges because women with names like Sonia Sotomayor are being selected solely based on gender and race. I mean, it can't be overstated how systemic and damaging this problem obviously is.

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And that's why very soon we're coming out with part one of our new real history documentary on the civil rights movement. And taken together, the two parts are the deepest dive I've ever done into the root causes of this country's decline and how we can reverse it. I'll put it this way. Given the opportunity, Claude's safety filter would definitely ban you from watching it.

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the Android philosophy major and the NPR CEO would be furious if millions of people saw it, as they've seen our previous documentaries. And the more you listen to these people, and the more you learn about the consequences of what they've done to this country, the more you realize that there's no higher praise than that. That'll do it for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.

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Talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day. Godspeed.

2115.667 - 2124.139 Susan Hudson

I do believe that if people have committed treason against the United States of America, their statues should not be in the Capitol.

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