The Megyn Kelly Show
AOC vs. Vance, Bongino Leaving FBI, and Coldplay "Kiss Cam" Woman Speaks Out, with Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 1216
18 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh, it's such a festive set here today. We've got our twinkly Christmas trees, and I've got a sparkly Christmas shirt, and it's happening. I mean, it is, like, happening now, people. Like, T minus what? Seven days? What's today? The 18th?
So, yeah. T minus seven. My gosh. Are you ready? I'm not 100% ready, but there's still time. It's high noon, and we're going to tell you why that term is in the news today. It's amazing. It's actually, I think, my favorite story of the day. It has something to do with that viral video of the couple at the Coldplay concert last summer. But on the news, there's a lot happening.
The shooter who killed two and wounded nine at Brown University Saturday, still on the loose. Amazingly, the completely dark, shaded, unreadable video that they put out of the suspect hasn't ginned up any leads. I know, you're shocked, shocked. And the authorities don't seem to have much more, although there is one glimmer of hope, and we'll tell you what it is.
Plus, it's AOC versus JDV in a potential preview of 2028. Very interesting development here. Here to talk about all of this and more is Glenn Greenwald. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and host of Rumble's System Update. We talk a lot about personal responsibility on this show. Well, here's one aspect that's really important, your health.
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Good to see you. I did not come festive. I feel a little bit like the Grinch after that big buildup you gave yourself about how Christmassy you are, but I'm going to try and get in the holiday spirit, even if it's not with my clothing and background.
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Chapter 2: What are the latest developments in the AOC vs. JD Vance matchup for 2028?
Great. So she's run with it. She's enjoying the fact that she's beating Vance and so is the mainstream media running with it. We actually took a look at this poll um, are done by argument slash Vera site. And the first thing we do with any poll here at the MK show is we go to five 38, which is an aggregator of polls. And we see whether they use it.
Well, they, cause they exclude the least reliable polls and it's not rated by five 38. It is not accepted by five 38 as a legitimate poll. New York times as well says it does not meet their standards to be included in their polling aggregation. Um, It is not a traditional independent polling outlet like Gallup or Pew.
It is a media organization offering proprietary polling alongside its opinion journalism. It's a DC-based media company that employs people like Matt Iglesias. They say we make a positive combative case for liberalism and Verisight is their offshoot of the polling firm. So this is not an objective poll. You can be a partisan outlet like Fox and have an objecting polling outlet. Fox does.
They have really good pollsters. Doesn't sound like this is it. But in any event, what do you make of Bloop? Like she's beating J.D. Vance in a head-to-head matchup. And what does it tell us about whether she's likely to run?
You know, I've been doing journalism for 20 years now. I've been paying as a result, very close attention to politics and it's a passion of mine. It's something I really love. The very first thing that ever made me have like even a glimmer of wanting to turn away is the way in which Democrats have decided that because it worked for Trump, they're now supposed to be
kind of like loose with their language and show how cool they are and how they don't speak like DC politicians. They have all these consultants advising them on what to do. And AOC is a particularly horrible case of it because when she was elected, she was 27. It's like a very young generation. She's now like heading into her mid to late 30s, heading into 40 years old.
And she's still trying on top of like that really cringy democratic effort to sound like you know, like playful and relatable and cool to kind of have it infused with this very young internet jargon. And it's just the worst of all combinations.
And I also don't understand why if you are, you know, like a liberal outlet, which of course this is trying to produce polling numbers that suggest that someone who has no chance to be president could actually credibly run. When it seems so counterproductive, like why would you want to build up somebody with a fake pole who you know will get destroyed?
So it just, the whole thing seems so bizarre to me.
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Chapter 3: How does AOC's recent polling impact her political strategy?
He put up more of a wall. He He was more defensive. Obviously, I'm a member of the press, so we're used to people being defensive toward us. Their instincts are dead on. But he is totally different now, I have to tell you. He worked that room like Bill Clinton. He remembered everybody's names. He said the information back to them. He was inquiring about people's children by name.
He was looking right at everybody. He was making everyone feel like they were special in not an artificial way, not like an Obama kind of way, but like a real... like a talent, like a political talent. And I think he's grown into that. And so my number one thought in watching him was he's using this vice presidency, not just to help the nation, but to help his own political skills.
He's clearly sharpened them.
Well, and I think also, you know, we have to remember that he is still quite young and he has had a lot of very kind of contradictory impulses, right? Like he grew up as, you know, in the way that you described, but like a very, you know, familiar now, like working class family with addiction and all kinds of family problems.
And then suddenly he's in Ivy League schools and he's with Peter Thiel and he's, you know, in high finance in Silicon Valley, hating Donald Trump. And then he starts evolving politically as well. And sometimes it just takes a while in life to find yourself, like to feel comfortable with who you are, to really have a good sense of self-possession.
And that can take into your 30s or early 40s, which is where JD Vance is in life. And I don't think that's a very uncommon evolution. And I do think that you can see a kind of greater comfort in J.D. Vance's own skin, the more he kind of becomes convinced about the values he wants to pursue and the things he believes in.
I still think it's going to take a lot of work given that people do have suspicions when somebody has had so many different kinds of manifestations of who they are and what they believe. But he's obviously very skilled at expressing himself and at communicating. And he has a lot of time to build that trust that the public needs. Yeah.
Well, it'd be very interesting, too, to see him up against an AOC when they start talking about their personal backgrounds. Because AOC wants us to believe that she grew up the way J.D. Vance actually did. She had it rough. She knows poverty. She could barely get food onto the table. Like, these are lies. It's bullshit. And J.D. Vance's history is actually extremely tumultuous.
Middletown, Ohio is a working class neighborhood when he grew up in it. It wasn't like he was not going to eat, but he did have Pepsi in his baby bottle. I mean, he grew up in a way that is really not great. and slept in his jeans, you know, read Hillbilly Elegy. He writes about how when he was at Yale Law School, he went to a party that they offered and like, he didn't even understand.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the Coldplay kiss cam incident?
There's no reason to like lean in.
Yeah. I mean, I do think part of the issue is, is that it is different. Like Mike Johnson and his wife have been married 20 years. They have seven kids. They adopted two. They have five biological kids, you know? So I think people are more open to the fact that, you know, if you want to know Mike Johnson, you kind of have to No, his family and his wife.
Like, that is an important part of a politician's public profile. A girlfriend is different. They're young.
There have been—and even though, yes, it is true he does have to fly on the FBI private plane, when you have enemies inside the FBI, as we just talked about, resisting his reform, and they're leaking things like he's constantly taking his private plane to Las Vegas, he's constantly taking it to Nashville to see her shows—
I just, as you said, it just, it rubs people the wrong way when people are economically struggling, when there's already a perception that people in the political class live this way. And I agree with you, it's a poor decision to go in and do it, but I do question whether he felt kind of compelled. It just, I don't know. That's an interesting wrinkle. You're right, I'm not the target audience.
I think I should follow the Doug Brunt rule. I didn't enjoy listening to those clips.
Doug's- Doug's family, when he was younger, before we had met, they would take a big trip every year, like a big family vacation. And their rule when their kids, they had four kids, Doug's one of four, their rule when the kids started to get, you know, in their 20s was no significant other can come unless you're at least engaged.
Because they didn't want the cast of girlfriends or boyfriends temporarily coming with their family on their biggest memories and biggest vacations. And that's probably not a bad rule for administration officials. For an interview, don't bring the person in for an interview immediately.
If they're not, if you're not at least engaged, uh, because you're probably going to take a lot of shit and God forbid they break up, it's going to get even worse, but I don't think they will. I actually think they're a very sweet couple. My money is on them getting married, but okay, let's move on. Um, and all the best to them because I am rooting for them.
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Chapter 5: How does the public respond to the Target employee's situation?
Okay, where do we go next? Oh, well, let's spend a minute on Rob Reiner. There's really not a lot of news in that case today. Nick Reiner was arraigned. He was brought in. He was charged officially. And the judge confirmed that he had waived his right to a speedy arraignment. And they continued it till January 7th. He was wearing a suicide smock, they called it.
We weren't allowed to see him in court. And then his attorney, Alan Jackson, who's like a famous attorney, came out after the fact and called the whole situation very complex and serious. Let's allow the system to move forward in a way it was designed. No one understood exactly what he was telegraphing, but he wants you to know this is very complex. Is it?
And then there was this, which I thought was worth playing. Wall Street Journal reporter John Jurgensen had an interesting report yesterday on the party at Conan O'Brien's the night that Rob and Michelle were killed. They had been there and they had brought their son, Nick, who by all accounts had been acting inappropriately.
And he filled in some of those details in this report, which he then spoke about on CNN. So three.
During the party he was approaching people there asking questions that in that context seemed confrontational, strange, especially are you famous, asking people there are you famous. So you can imagine a party of actual famous people and fame adjacent people who are really used to Strange behavior out in public, but here they are at a gathering of their peers at a party hosted by Conan.
It was unsettling to see. So Bill Hader was one of the people he approached at the party. There was an awkward exchange made more awkward by the fact that he had met Hader earlier in the night.
Through Rob. Through Rob had introduced him. So when he came up and asked him questions such as, what's your name?
Are you famous? It was unsettling and described as scary from Hader's perspective.
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Chapter 6: What does Jeannie think about the backlash against Michaela?
So think about it, Glenn. It wasn't just this guy Hader, but apparently Nick was going up to all these famous people, if you listen to the longer interview, all these famous people at Conan O'Brien's house. And he was making the point, the reporter there, that, you know,
in a room full of famous people at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party, it's very strange to keep asking people, are you famous, right? It's one thing if one famous person shows up at a party of non-famous people and then meets somebody who doesn't know who they are, and the person says, oh, are you famous? You know, like that's happened to all of us.
Actually, funny story, just as an aside, Doug and I, one year we went to the Met Gala. We went to the after party after we went to the gala. We're standing in the red rope line waiting to get into the after party. We're speaking with this young woman. And, you know, one thing leads to another and it's pretty clear that she's some sort of an athlete. Like, oh, what do you do?
She goes, I play soccer. I'm like, oh, are you any good? She's like, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty good. That woman was Alex Morgan, right? who is in fact very, very good at soccer. So I'm just saying sometimes you meet somebody who's famous and if it's not in your wheelhouse, you don't know. That's not what was happening with Nick Reiner.
He was behaving weirdly and inappropriately and it just sort of sets the stage for his bizarre behavior that evening, but not so bizarre he's gonna get off on an insanity defense. So I haven't had the chance to ask you about this whole case. Where are you on it? What do you think of it?
because of my husband's political career. I used to be at parties all the time with like big Brazilian celebrities who I don't actually recognize. And probably Brazil's most famous singer came up to me once and said, oh, I'm so happy to meet you. I really respect your work. And I said, oh, what do you do? Just to get it off me.
I was like, do you work for this political candidate whose event we're at?
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Chapter 7: How does this incident reflect on societal attitudes towards political expression?
And he's like, no, I'm in music. And I pictured him like, you know, kind of playing like a clarinet on the corner. And then my husband was... dying of embarrassment. And he interrupted like, Caetano, I'm a huge fan. His name was Caetano Velozo, like the most famous musician in all of Brazil, kind of like the Michael Jackson or Bob Dylan. I was like, what do you do? Do you like, do you work?
Yeah, it was horrible. Anyway, I think, you know, one of the things I think is interesting about this case is that A lot of American families suffer from addiction. It used to be a lot more stigmatized than it was in the sense that people really thought it was like a moral failing.
And here you see, you know, the son of an extremely famous wealthy person who by all accounts was like a very dedicated father and his wife, a very dedicated mother doing everything they could for this kid and then even into adulthood to save him in some way from addiction. And as so many American families have experienced, like sometimes that demon is the hardest one to battle.
I think it's a good reminder that it cuts across all socioeconomic lines. And then I also think there's this sort of interesting aspect. You know, if you're poor and you're trying to raise kids, that's very difficult. But sometimes if you're very rich and your kid is born into great wealth, that also can be very difficult because they might not have motivation.
They might, you know, feel like too heavy of an expectation. I think there's a lot of things in this story kind of like as a morality play that Americans can learn from. And especially when it comes to addiction because of what a pervasive problem it is for families across the country.
I think every time there's a story that involves addiction, it can be important to kind of break down the stigma and create some empathy for families who, you know, might feel like it's their fault, but in reality, it's something that, you know, infects so many parts of society.
And it sounds like Nick Reiner had some significant mental health issues prior to the addiction, which from all accounts, by age 10, were really manifesting in the family. It's a nightmare. I mean, what do you do with a child who is mentally disturbed in a way that they have really upsetting social behaviors, but... They're not committable. It's not at that level.
They haven't broken the criminal law, so they're not going to go to jail. They're just going to be dependent on you in an upsetting and disruptive, negative way forever. I mean, that's a curse.
That is why you sit around if you're lucky enough to have healthy children and look at your life and say, thank you, God, thank you, God, thank you, God, for giving me three healthy children and not saddling me with that burden. I feel like the Reiners got saddled with that burden. That's how it looks to me.
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