The Megyn Kelly Show
FBI Director Kash Patel Reveals NEW Details of Pipe Bomber Arrest, and Ongoing Mysteries, with John Solomon and Jim Fitzgerald | Ep. 1207
05 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What new details have emerged about the January 6 pipe bomber arrest?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. As we reported yesterday, the Trump administration did in 10 months what the Biden administration couldn't or wouldn't do for four years. They arrested the suspected January 6th pipe bomber.
30-year-old Brian Cole Jr., a black man from Woodbridge in northern Virginia, is charged now with transporting an explosive device across state lines with intent to kill or harm and attempted malicious destruction using explosives. Cole faces up to 30 years in prison. He's due in court today, where we should learn even more about him.
And while we still do not know specifics about his motive, we told you on AM Update this morning that Cole worked for a bail bonds company run by his father, working to free illegal immigrants from ICE facilities. This is just interesting background on the guy. That's per The Daily Wire.
That company unsuccessfully sued the Trump administration over its immigration policies and even hired Benjamin Trump, the attorney who represented Trayvon Martin's family to accuse a Tennessee prosecutor who was probing the company of racism for that probe. Here to react to this and so much more is Kash Patel, the ninth director of the FBI.
Chapter 2: How did the FBI narrow down the suspect using technology?
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So, Megan, yes, it's a great coalition that brought us to this point where we arrested the pipe bomber that terrorized our nation five years ago. And in terms of what's ongoing, it's a little difficult to talk about because the suspect is now in the court proceedings.
Chapter 3: What are the alleged motives of the January 6 pipe bomber?
But as you would suspect or expect from the FBI, we do engage with all suspects that are arrested to see if they're willing to speak to us. And those matters are ongoing.
Dan Bongino told Hannity last night that you guys have interviewed him at length. Is that something you can provide any color on?
We have. We've sat down with them and talked to them. For us, though, we can't divulge the substance of those conversations because the prosecutors and the Department of Justice are going to be the ones that adjudicate that information as to whether or not they need to use it in a court of law and present it for purposes of indictment and grand jury and further execution of search warrants.
So this is very much an ongoing investigation we're going to be continuing to conduct. multiple search warrants. We're going to continue to put multiple witnesses in grand juries because we want to make sure we've captured the totality of this individual's conduct.
Okay. But he is talking.
He's speaking to us.
Wow. Has he lawyered up?
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Chapter 4: Why did the previous FBI leadership struggle with the investigation?
I can't get into that because it infringes on some of these constitutional rights. And we at the FBI are going to uphold even this individual's constitutional rights due process.
Let me ask you this question. Have you seen Benjamin Crump at all?
I have not seen him, but maybe we will later.
You might, yeah, given the family's history from what we're gathering now, reporting over at The Daily Wire that he represented the dad. Can you outline for us or give us a better field cash for what was sitting at the FBI for those past four years? And then what did you guys add to it?
I know you didn't get new tips, but you also talked yesterday at the presser about working with Jeanine Pirro and the DOJ. When you needed a subpoena, they would give it to you because the lawyers need to arm the investigators, the cops, with the tools to get what they need. So what did you add? add to and what was already sitting there for those four years?
Let's work backwards because executing a search warrant and subpoenas are a position FBI wants to get to. But in order to get there, we have to have probable cause and targets and accounts that we need to examine. So what the FBI did was we went through three million lines of evidence in this case.
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Chapter 5: What evidence connects the pipe bomber to conspiracy theories?
And Deputy Director Bongino
spearheaded an effort to create a team here nationally of subject matter experts that came into the fbi and reviewed those three million lines of evidence that included information such as cell phone data tower dumps triangulation information so the fbi has some of the best cell phone analysis systems in the world we call it a cast system and basically we said hey let's look at every single phone number again that was in the area that's what i mean when we said we didn't receive any new information
We just reviewed the information that was already in our holdings, in our databases. And when we went through that, we found leads that we then went with our great prosecutors at the Department of Justice and Attorney General Bondi and US Attorney Jeanine Pirro and said, hey, now we need some search warrants.
Now we need search warrants on these providers, social media accounts, email accounts, cell phone accounts. And we need to ultimately execute search warrants of his residence and place of business because that's where this individual went most. And so naturally, we had to develop enough probable cause to get there. And that takes a little bit of time.
Did this guy's name, Brian Cole, exist in the system before you guys found him? You identified him?
That piece of information will reveal in court because that's the appropriate place to reveal it in terms of any history or prior contacts with law enforcement. As I said, the investigation is ongoing. So it's not just whether or not he had contact with the FBI. Did he have contact with the state authorities? Did he have contact with the local authorities?
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Chapter 6: How does the investigation into Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin relate?
Did he have any contact in the juvenile system? Those are all questions we're answering now because we have to send out those leads to our partners after the individual is identified and say, hey, what do you guys have on him? because we're not done with the investigation. And then we go back to our U.S.
attorney partners and DOJ and say, hey, we need some more search warrants, and I'm just making this up in the state of wherever, because he lived there for a period of time. Those are things we don't know the definitive answers to just yet, but those are the things we're developing.
The credit card information around his purchases seems clutch. Is that something that you... You must have gotten that yourselves because it seems to me what you're telegraphing is you identified from cell phone data, among other data, cell phone tower data, he was on your list. And then you started narrowing the circle.
But then at some point you had to get a subpoena for his credit cards because... You do require a probable cause to get somebody's credit card data. You can't just get that because you've got a list of 10,000. There would have had to be something a little bit more narrowly cast. And then you start like a scene from Homeland on Showtime with Claire Danes and the whiteboard.
This is how I picture it.
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Chapter 7: What unusual behaviors were observed in the pipe bomber's actions?
Looking at the Visa, the MasterCard, the Home Depot, the Walmart purchases and cross pollinating like the pipe bombs, the end caps, the battery, the kitchen timer. And which person on this list has got all of who appears on every list? Is that basically how it went down?
So there's multiple lines of effort as we call it, right, going on at this time. Not only are we looking for credit card information as to his transaction history, we're also looking at his social media accounts, email accounts to see what he put out on the internet and who, if he communicated with anyone.
While we're doing that simultaneously, we're also looking at it's been publicized about the uniqueness of the sneakers. OK, well, who bought this type of sneaker? And as it's been disclosed in the affidavit, which we can now talk about, this individual bought pipes and caps, wires, bomb making material. So those are all pretty good and significant investigative leads.
in terms of individually but when you combine them with the multiple lines of effort the universe of people goes from this down to here and that's what we have to do there was of course like any investigation like this which is a massive manhunt multiple suspects that we have to eliminate along the way because most people or everyone else that didn't do this is innocent
And so we have to work through that process methodically before we just go out and arrest people. And those sort of come in together when we, you know, if you imagine concentric circles, oh, he bought end caps. Okay. Did he buy these sneakers? Who was he talking to on this day?
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Chapter 8: What ongoing mysteries surround the case and its implications?
Where was his cell phone pinging on this day in this time? At the same time, other suspects along the way were saying, do they have alibis? Were they even around? Why are they suspects? You know, a lot of people are allowed to buy some of these parts individually for actual lawful use. So we can't go out just and arrest those people because they bought one end cap.
And so that totality of information, when you go through three million lines of evidence, literally, That has to take time to narrow down. And we don't have a computer system that does that. We had humans that we brought in from around the country to do this for hundreds of days and thousands of man hours.
It's crazy. It's incredible to think about. And then on top of it, according to the affidavit, you line all that up with the scanners that have his license plate getting him to the location. I mean, that's a cherry on top of the sundae once you have the cell phone data showing his cell phone at the RNC, at the DNC, at the necessary times. He purchased the pipes. He purchased the end caps.
He purchased the timers. He purchased the batteries, the wires and all that. And then whatever else you found on email and then boom, his car was actually it delivered him right to the place. And it looks like, according to the affidavit, you had seen him. You were able to place him at the same location earlier, like scouting or buying a meal.
The last part of the affidavit suggests he was in that location prior to the date the bombs were planted, possibly scouting, possibly, you know, just checking out the area.
Right. Obviously, we need to match the description of the suspect on video. The video has been publicized for years. But what this FBI did was came in and enhanced the video. I don't know why the prior FBI didn't do that. I don't know why the prior FBI didn't look at the three million lines of evidence.
I don't know why they didn't use our cell phone capabilities and our technological capabilities at the FBI. The only thing I can come up with is either they were too incompetent in terms of leadership or intentional. And I think it was intentional because it was a further weaponization of law enforcement. So when you match up the suspect's height...
and physical appearance with things like a license plate reader that attributes to him and further information such as cell phone pings, you're getting into a very small circle of people that it could be. And once we're able to execute law enforcement process and search warrants over these last few months, we were able to produce
what he bought where he bought it when he bought it and the history of buying it and how often he bought it and remember this kid was 25 years old at the time of the incident he's now 30 years old there's a five-year history of information that the fbi has to go through to make sure we've been captured all the information for our prosecuting partners
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