The Megyn Kelly Show
The Nuzzi-RFK Drama, Attacking Tucker's Son to Smear Vance, and New Cancel Culture, with Emily Jashinsky | Ep. 1196
18 Nov 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's a very busy news day. There's a lot happening right now. The House is expected to vote on the release of the Epstein files this afternoon. A move President Trump now says he supports. We'll talk about it.
Plus, we have to get into the soap opera that literally everybody in the media and the political world is talking about, involving Olivia Newsy and her former fiance, Ryan Lizzo, who used to work for Politico. and RFKJ, and now another politician. You may know a lot of these figures. RFKJ, of course, has been on this show many times. He's now our Health and Human Services Secretary.
Olivia's been on this show too and is a friend. Ryan Lizza of Political, never on this show, but man, is he fighting back in this love triangle in which they allegedly find themselves with the reveal about another politician. I mean, what this has to do with your life, I know not, literally nothing, but it's, It's just one of the biggest stories that's out there right now.
Literally everybody I know has sent it to me. Everybody wants to know what we think, what you think. does it mean anything in the larger scale of life? I don't know. I think our guest today will have some thoughts. She is Emily Jashinsky, and she is the host of After Party with Emily Jashinsky on the MK Media Podcast Network.
She's also now the host of the Megyn Kelly wrap-up show that airs on Sirius XM channel 111, the MK channel. That's at 2 p.m. right after the show.
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Chapter 2: What does Olivia Nuzzi's memoir reveal about her relationship with RFK Jr.?
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Thanks for having me, Megan. Good to be here.
It's as good a place to start as anywhere else, I guess, since everybody's talking about it. Now, most of the audience is like, who? So Olivia Newsy is this rising star in the journalism field. She worked for New York Magazine. Prior to that, she worked, she went to Fordham, and then she worked for some far-left publication, didn't she? I can't remember which one. Daily Beast.
Yeah, she was at Daily Beast. And she got a job working for New York Magazine. She's got, you know, sort of a flair with the pen and the storytelling, in my view. I enjoy reading her stuff. She was one of the few reporters to come out and report on what she saw around Joe Biden's mental infirmity prior to the election.
It was late in the game, don't get me wrong, but it was prior to the election and prior to the debate, I should say. Right? Wasn't it? Was it prior to the debate? It was right around. Yeah, I think so. Right after the debate. Okay. In any event, there weren't that many leftists who were willing to write about what they saw in Joe Biden. She was one of them.
But then it came out that she was having an alleged affair with Bobby Kennedy, like a. I mean, they're calling it a digital affair, which sounds wrong. But what they mean by that is no in-person interludes, like phone sex, basically. Forgive me, audience. And...
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Chapter 3: How did Ryan Lizza respond to Olivia Nuzzi's alleged affair?
It is hard for me to believe she would do that without it being requited, because what an insanely risky thing to do to a man who is as high profile and powerful and married. But she also told the New York Times she seemed to say she wasn't going to be releasing any of these text messages and that she kind of said maybe she doesn't even have the text messages.
And then Liz's story sounds a lot like RF Kennedy Jr's story, which is that she was texting him all of the time. So again, I just don't know. I genuinely don't know what's true. It's not hard for me to believe on the one hand, given Kennedy's history, even with his deceased wife, that was very public. So it's not out of the realm of possibility, certainly.
One other thing I wanted to add, though, is also that as talented as I think Olivia is, she does moralize and she did a lot in Trump 1.0 and that's part of what bothers me about this story. I remember the time she held up her phone playing crying migrant children during a White House briefing in Trump 1.0 and the entire media hailed her as like this brave hero.
I think as the administration went on, she kind of like learned to have more like detached amusement and a little bit of fun with it. But her and Ryan Lizzo both are sort of like anti-right people who have held themselves up as responsible journalists and criticized a lot of people on the right for a long time.
So I also do feel a bit irked by the revelations of their very, very, very messy and sordid personal lives.
Fair enough. I will say she's always been very fair to me in her writing and her approach. She's never ostracized me, and I'm on the right. Like, that's rare. That is very rare. So I always liked her. I mean, she's definitely farther left than I am, but I don't really care. To me, this is just, like, obviously, she's got a thing for older men, okay?
So before we get to Ryan Lizza, it's a dark thing, too. It's a freaking dark thing, because that penchant led her first to Keith Olbermann- Isn't that punishment enough for anything that happened thereafter? Isn't that the rest of your life? Yeah, she's paid her penance for whatever would come later. He's so disgusting. It's amazing. Katie Turin, he as well, lived together for years. Katie Turin?
Katie Turin. Yeah, of MSNBC, who is many years his junior. They were together for many years, and he continues to attack her now publicly. He's so angry about how that ended, I guess. She must have dumped him. And now he was with Olivia for four years. Four years, Emily. The reporting is that... He, and this brings me to Ryan Lizza. We knew, I think, that she was with Olbermann. I think, did we?
Steve Cracker will let me know.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of cancel culture discussed in the episode?
T-E-L-O-S.
I think it's Latin.
It's Latin? Oh, I went to public school. I don't understand that.
I can't tell you what it means.
Okay. Well, in any event, I'll ask my kids. They're in private school. They know Latin or at least a few words. I learned a few in law, but not enough. Okay. So he is like, okay, bitches, it's time for me to pick up my pen because I'm a writer too. And here's what happens. The New York Post is writing this up. They say, Well, I mean, I read his piece, so actually we don't need to.
I have it here. Stand by. We don't need to rely on the New York Post, though they did do a good write-up of it. Where is it? I have so many papers. Okay, I left it in the other room. My God.
I like how they went to the overhead camera so we can see all of your papers.
There's so many affairs to keep track of. I don't have it all. Okay, in any event, I guess I left it back in my other room, but I do have the write-up on it and my team's write-up on it. Okay. He writes about how early on in their relationship, he helped her out of a jam with Keith Olbermann. Whom she had dated. The way he words it in his piece is a little weird.
It almost makes it sound like she cheated on him with Keith Olbermann, but that's not it. She dated Keith Olbermann when she was very young, like 20, 21, and like new to New York and lived with Keith Olbermann, or at least he paid for her studio apartment. And... points out like he spent lavished thousands of dollars upon her.
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Chapter 5: What details emerged about the investigation into Trump’s would-be assassin?
I mean, I feel like Tucker answered this when I interviewed him. You know, I said, what do you say to the critics who say you should have gone tougher on Fuentes? And he said, do your own interview. I'll give you his cell phone number. Like, go ahead and do it. I'm me. I'm Tucker. I do the interviews the way I see fit. That's a totally acceptable answer.
If you don't like his brand of interviewing, you don't have to click on his face. Tough shit, right? He's not required to do his interviews exactly the way you require. Clearly, he has a very large fan base that loves the way he does his interviews. If you don't like it, that's fine. You don't have to. But he doesn't have to change his interviewing style to appease his critics.
who want him to ask exactly the following thing in exactly the following way. Of course he's not going to do that. And they're like, oh, but he was tough on Ted Cruz. He was tough on Ted Cruz because he called Tucker an anti-Semite within the first four minutes of the interview. That has a way of sending you into a more offensive posture against your guest. I would have done the same.
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Chapter 6: How is JD Vance being attacked in relation to Tucker Carlson?
These two were also reportedly the characters that the two daughters in the original White Lotus were based on. There's one daughter. It's Connie Britton's character. And she and her friend go on a trip with their mom, Connie Britton. And they're based on Dasha and Anna. And it's so amazing because one of those characters was played by Sidney Sweeney. So it's like everything's connected.
In any event, she's fascinating. Very interesting. She's from Belarus. And Anna, her partner in crime on Red Scare, is from Moscow. They both came over to the United States when they were kids. But they have a healthy appreciation for authoritarian politics.
countries and crackdowns on free speech and how important it is to say like the most outlandish things and just test the limits of that first amendment. Like, great. It's wonderful to be in a place where we can have these very provocative conversations. Well, some fucker who goes, his name is Brown. Is that his full name?
I'm reading the Hollywood reporter piece by Seth Abramovich, which is very good. The guy's name seems to be Brown. He's 36. He was once an actor. Didn't have a lot of success, but did have a role in 2012's hit comedy Project X. Never saw it. Finding himself disillusioned, writes Abramovich, with the acting world, he transitioned to producing, most recently with the comedy horror Fuck My Son!
With an exclamation point. Real nice. The title of which drew titters ahead of its premiere, Jonathan Brown. This guy, it turns out, has for years, years now been trying to get Dasha canceled. He is emailing relentlessly the agency that represents her in Hollywood.
He's been tracking her for years, keeping the agency updated on who she's having on Red Scare, why they're too controversial for Polite Company, what she did or did not do during the interview. To keep in mind, these two were originally Bernie bro supporters, right? They kind of migrated rightward when the woke left exploded. But they were fine with Hollywood when they were Bernie supporters.
Now they come under the microscope because they're not woke. He continued to email them, to post on Instagram about her, to list their alleged crimes. Meanwhile, it wasn't them saying anything. It was their guests. And he didn't like that. that their guests said certain things that were controversial, and they were, went on to list, oh, they had on Alex Jones. I cannot sit by in silence anymore.
I ask you to do the right thing. Condemn this hate. This cannot be what our industry is about. Steve Bannon, he was outraged Steve Bannon was on the show. And on and on and on. And then like expanded out the people he was targeting, including this movie producer who had just cast Dasha in his movie writing, be careful. She just did a podcast with Nick Fuentes. This is in October.
Didn't make any news. There was no scandal the way there's been with Tucker. Bad idea to be associated with anyone who is openly pro-Hitler. Okay, so what, she's now pro-Hitler because she had Nick Fuentes on? And the producer responds, oh, wow. The other producer, this is a quote, is Jewish and is friends with her. I don't know her.
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Chapter 7: What happened to Dasha Nekrasova after her interview with Nick Fuentes?
In other words, the online culture has destroyed the ability to spontaneously meet strangers. As such, I thought I would share a few words that I used in my youth to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask... may I meet you? Before engaging further in a conversation. I almost never got a no. It inevitably enabled the opportunity for a further conversation.
I met a lot of really interesting people this way. I think the combination of proper grammar and politeness was the key to its effectiveness. You might give it a try. And then he goes on to say, um, I failed to mention that this works much more effectively when you are, and I thought he was going to say rich. I'm sure that it's something to do with your success.
No, when you are moving in motion on subways, elevators, escalators, et cetera. So your thoughts, I don't know why, but your thoughts on Bill Ackman's love life advice to men your age.
I love when Bill Ackman gives unsolicited advice every time. It's usually unsolicited, but that is the best type of advice from Bill Ackman is unsolicited. The idea of going up to somebody and saying, may I meet you with like a $50,000 Rolex on your watch? Definitely going to work every single time. And that is my impression as to why Bill Ackman- thinks that this line is so useful.
The proper grammar part, what is he talking about? Nobody wants this, Bill Ackman. Who told Bill Ackman that this? I think it was probably because he was walking around with a Rolex on and Gucci loafers, and people were like, you may indeed meet me. This is very helpful.
Yeah.
Help me, like, with my investments? Because I also would like a Rolex. I would like to know billionaires. Yeah, no, I—look, I appreciate the thought of, like, politely being the one to reach out, right? Like, that I'm in support of. And also of a man being the first to sort of knock on the door or be the, like, initiator. I think we do need to get back to that.
I think it's in a man's nature to be the pursuer, you know, to be the lion. Yeah. And women need to remember that. That's good for men and it's good for women. Like the men like to pursue and the women like to be pursued and we should get back to that. That's great. It's a good dynamic. It doesn't have to be that way, but it's good. But I'm not sure may I meet you is the way.
I would say something like, you know, Wow, you're stunning. Who are you? That might get a woman's attention, like a compliment or a joke, something even self-deprecating. Making a woman laugh is like a beeline to most women's hearts. May I meet you would probably project to me this person's going to be bad in bed. That might be where I, in my head.
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