Furious Zelenskyy Calls Trump’s Bluff Right Into His Face

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Paul Stewart-Ford 0:50
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Ben Meiselas 2:01
President Zelensky of Ukraine just checkmated Donald Trump ahead of their meeting on Sunday in Miami. Zelensky came up with a 20-point peace proposal that really smokes out Donald Trump and Putin's true agenda here. So Zelensky said, all right, Donald, all right, Putin, you want me to give up portions of eastern Ukraine? I'll do it. I'll give up portions of eastern Ukraine, but here's how it's got to go down. We'll do it if the following terms are met. Number one, there's got to be a 60-day ceasefire. So Russia has to agree 60 days of peace as a way of good faith and as a way of preparing for a referendum. And let's take a vote. in those Eastern Ukraine areas. You want us to give up Donbas? You want us to give up these areas?
Ben Meiselas 2:47
Why don't we let the people vote? But it's gotta be a free and fair election. We'll work with our European allies. And if you want to have the United States be involved, this has to be though open and transparent with all partners involved to make sure that this election is actually a genuine one. And then we'll let the people decide of eastern Ukraine if they want to be part of Ukraine or if they want to be part of Russia. But the parties need to agree wherever the people vote. We will ultimately respect that. And then ultimately, if they decide one way or another, regardless, then the U.S. has to come in with very strong security guarantees. that are a lot like Article five of NATO or Article four, Article five of NATO, so that if Russia does any extra steps after we do this, then there will automatically trigger this protection as though we were a member of NATO.
Ben Meiselas 3:37
And you will have to you and Europe agree to protect Ukraine. And that means that if Russia attacks, it's viewed as an attack on everybody. So put up or shut up. It's a brilliant strategy because Why wouldn't you agree to that unless you have bad faith intentions? You see, it allows Zelensky in Europe, and you know, Zelensky's been working with Friedrich Merz of Germany and the president of France, Emmanuel Macron, and others, and van der Leyen, the European Council president, commissioner president. And they've been working very closely to come up with this plan. And it's a good way to show that Russia is not interested in peace at all, that Russia just wants Russia will never agree to a ceasefire.
Ben Meiselas 4:19
Zelensky has always agreed to a ceasefire, not the other way around. Russia is the invading party. So it's a perfect way to expose what's going down. Let me show you how this has been described, because I think this is absolutely a brilliant strategy. This is written by Michael Weiss, who covers this incredibly. He goes, Zelensky has turned the painful question of territorial concessions into a joint challenge for Trump and Putin. And he has deferred responsibility for whatever happens to the Ukrainian people the better to keep his legacy from being tarnished by a forfeiture of national sovereignty. Trump would have to guarantee the security of holding a national referendum, and it's unclear whether Ukrainians in the occupied territories would get a vote or how they might vote under foreign coercion.
Ben Meiselas 5:07
Putin would have to accept a 60-day ceasefire, twice as long as the one offered by the U.S. and Ukraine in May, which Putin rejected. comparing a referendum on giving up Donetsk to Brexit is cheeky. 75% of Ukrainians rejected this proposal as of December 15th, according to the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology.

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