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The MeidasTouch Podcast

Rubio Undermines Vance Deal?

24 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What actions is Marco Rubio taking to undermine the MOU with Iran?

0.031 - 16.302 Ben Meiselas

Marco Rubio is rushing to the Middle East to try to sabotage the memorandum of understanding between the United States and Iran. Rubio refused to show up at the Switzerland technical talks following the memorandum of understanding because he didn't want to be associated with the document.

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16.282 - 40.229 Ben Meiselas

After progress was made in Switzerland, Rubio was working behind the scenes with the neocons and war hawks who want to try to destroy the MOU. Now he's taking a trip to meet with the UAE, Bahrain, and Kuwait to try to undermine the MOU. Since he's traveled to the UAE, he's made numerous statements that directly contradict the wording of the MOU.

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And he's doing that to try to incite Iran and to try to be provocative to cause breaches of the Memorandum of Understanding. Let's talk about what went down.

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Chapter 2: Why did Rubio refuse to attend the Switzerland technical talks?

51.303 - 73.744 Ben Meiselas

As I'm sure you know by now, Marco Rubio, refused to participate in the technical talks in Switzerland. That is quite literally the job description of the Secretary of State to attend talks like this. Iran's foreign minister, Araghchi, was there. So was their lead negotiator, who's the head of their parliament, MB Ghalibaf. But Rubio showed division,

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right away within the US negotiating team, which is of course a sign of weakness when your Secretary of State basically protests even showing up in the first place. So he doesn't go to Switzerland. There appears to be some progress made in Switzerland.

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And a deconfliction cell, as it's called, is created in order to try to deconflict, to enforce the ceasefire in Lebanon as Netanyahu continued to attack within Lebanon, killing lots of innocent people. And the Lebanon file, as they call it, pretty much got removed away from Rubio, Netanyahu, and Lebanon in that kind of structure.

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And it got moved towards Iran, Qatar, Pakistan, Lebanon, United States, working together as part of a de-confliction cell. And so Rubio viewed that also as, are you trying to take away the Lebanon file from me, JD Vance? No, I am going to be dealing with Lebanon. Well,

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140.313 - 160.39 Ben Meiselas

You could have showed up at Switzerland if you wanted to and been involved in those talks, but you were trying to sabotage it then as well. So what Rubio's done, though, is he's announced that he's going to take a trip and he's on that trip right now to the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Bahrain. You see the U.S. Department of State post right here.

160.851 - 180.225 Ben Meiselas

Secretary Rubio's travel to the UAE, Kuwait and Bahrain. June 23rd through June 25th. Here's how they describe it on the State Department website. Again, he couldn't be bothered with the Switzerland talks, but now he's going to meet with the UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain. And it says, the Secretary will discuss a range of regional priorities

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including the Memorandum of Understanding with Iran, efforts to secure full and free safe transit through the Strait of Hormuz, and the importance of peace and stability in the region.

Chapter 3: What statements has Rubio made that contradict the MOU?

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In Bahrain, the Secretary will also meet with the Gulf Cooperation Council to discuss shared priorities across the region. Now we know from reporting from MSNOW, New York Times, Washington Post, and others, that Rubio refused to show up and have any association with the Memorandum of Understanding and the technical talks. Here's how it's being described in this article from MSNOW.

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The choice of Vance, an anti-interventionist with limited high-level foreign policy experience, as the lead negotiator and defender of the 14-point interim Memorandum of Understanding, surprised some inside the White House in its orbit.

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One White House official who was granted anonymity to speak openly about internal dynamics said Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the nation's top diplomat, avoided becoming the face of the deal because he understood how unlikely it was to succeed. Vance, by contrast, believes a triumphant deal with Iran is not out of reach, the official told MSNOW.

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253.386 - 267.267 Ben Meiselas

I think that goes and tells you what low character Marco Rubio it is. I'm not trying to defend J.D. Vance here, but as the Secretary of State, you're supposed to be in talks like this. Instead, he went to the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Kuwait.

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And here he is as he lands in Abu Dhabi and Rubio basically starts saying that the MOU and the subsequent technical discussions that Rubio didn't show up at are meaningless because there are super secret agreements that he says Iran agreed to that aren't in writing, but he says they, being Iran, know what they agreed to and so they better deal with it or else

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Donald Trump will have an important decision to make in the next 60 days. So Rubio saying the MOU and the subsequent joint statement that came out of Switzerland, don't look at the writing, look at the secret deal that Rubio knows about. And again, this is provocative language intended to incite Iran that previously said,

320.588 - 340.2 Ben Meiselas

We're going to go by what's in writing and do not listen to these provocateurs who are trying to sabotage the deal. Watch what Rubio said as he was landing in Abu Dhabi. Let's play it.

340.18 - 357.16 Marco Rubio

We know what they agreed to. I don't know why they have to say the things they say. Whatever their internal or domestic politics is, I guess they'll navigate it. But we know what they agreed to do, and now they'll either do it or they won't. And if they do, the process moves forward, and if they don't, the president will have some decisions to make.

357.14 - 377.73 Ben Meiselas

Now, Rubio also says, look, I'm here to talk to our partners, like the UAE. And then he says, and when we talk about this MOU, there's really no deal yet. We're still one day out, two days out, so no one can actually expect this thing to really be a binding deal.

Chapter 4: What are the implications of the deconfliction cell discussed in Switzerland?

500.844 - 517.877 Marco Rubio

It's a part of what's discussed that could happen. If Iran makes a decision, if its leadership makes a decision that they want to be a country instead of a revolutionary movement that exports terror, they're going to have an opportunity to do incredible things in Iran. I'm not promising you that that's the choice they're going to make. I'm saying if that's the choice that they make,

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517.857 - 526.091 Marco Rubio

then there will be opportunities, and those opportunities could include investment, as you've seen other countries in this region benefit from investment, from foreign direct investment.

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526.112 - 541.198 Marco Rubio

It won't be our investment, it won't be our government money, but I think that is something that's going to have to depend on progress made on a host of other security issues that have to be confronted in the days to come.

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So you see what he's doing here? More from Marco Rubio over here as well on his trip to Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates. Rubio then says the Lebanon issue has nothing to do with the Memorandum of Understanding and has nothing to do with the subsequent talks in Switzerland, which were intended to implement the MOU.

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He says, that's something that I am going to be dealing with, with Lebanon directly. Sorry, Rubio, that's very much in the MOU. And it's also in the subsequent joint statement arising out of the MOU. But watch what Rubio says here, because again, he's doing this on purpose to sabotage the deal. Watch what he says. Play this clip.

588.31 - 590.292 Dr. Craig Spencer

...meeting in Washington as we speak.

590.312 - 603.744 Marco Rubio

Is it your position that that process should be separate from Iran peace deal? Well, that process is separate. It's separate because Lebanon is a sovereign country. It has a government. And when it comes to Lebanon and what's happening inside of Lebanon, we're going to negotiate and deal directly with the Lebanese government.

604.344 - 624.085 Marco Rubio

I spoke to President Ayoun along with the Vice President a few moments ago, spoke to him on Friday. Their people are there now on the ground directly. So the reason why that issue is over... Now, there's an Iranian issue with regards to Lebanon, and that is their support and sponsorship of Hezbollah. And so that factor will be discussed as part of our conversations with the Iranians.

624.465 - 631.734 Marco Rubio

But as far as the future of Lebanon, the future of Lebanon belongs to the Lebanese people through their sovereign elected government. And that's who we're going to be working with.

Chapter 5: How is Rubio's trip to the Middle East impacting U.S. diplomacy?

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815.515 - 841.523 Ben Meiselas

And then Rubio escalates even more. And then Rubio attacks Iran. And he said, we can't have an end to these hostilities and conflicts as long as the Iranian proxies are launching missiles and drones from Iraq and participating in terrorism like Hamas did and Hezbollah did. And so again here, regardless of what you think about what Rubio is saying,

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841.503 - 865.139 Ben Meiselas

We do, Rubio, we do have an end of hostilities that we're trying to reach. It's in the MOU and it's in the technical talks that you don't want to be a part of. So Rubio is using the pre-war rhetoric and war rhetoric and not the let's reach resolution rhetoric. Now, you may... Like Rubio's rhetoric better? I don't know.

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865.519 - 877.273 Ben Meiselas

My only point is that's inconsistent with what the deal is, that Trump signed in Versailles and held up while Rubio was behind him looking all angry. Watch what Rubio says here, play this clip.

877.733 - 898.016 Marco Rubio

I think a careful reading of the MOU will see that when you talk about, for example, a complete and end of hostilities in the entire region, well, that's not possible. You can't have the end of hostilities and conflicts in the region as long as Iranian proxies are launching missiles and drones from Iraq and are participating in terrorism like Hamas did and like Hezbollah did.

898.036 - 921.797 Ben Meiselas

And just so you can see, we go into the writing here of what's in the MOU. Here's the Islamabad MOU between the United States. Paragraph one, the United States of America and Iran and their allies in the current war are signing this MOU to declare the immediate and permanent termination of the military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake from now on to initiate

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to not initiate any war or military operation against each other. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of war on all fronts, including Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph. It's built in to the MOU. Then we look at the deconfliction cell that's talked about in the joint statement that came out of the Lake Lucerne-Bergenstatt Conference in Switzerland.

947.832 - 979.786 Ben Meiselas

Moreover, that's what it says, the Qatari and Pakistani mediators read the following statement. Moreover, the parties agreed on the creation of a deconfliction cell between the parties, the Lebanese Republic, and facilitated by the mediators. That means U.S., Iran, Lebanese, Pakistan, and Qatar. And Rubio is saying that's not actually happening. The technical talks will continue on that issue.

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