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The MeidasTouch Podcast

Trump Gets Implicated by Top Cabinet Member Over Dark Past

02 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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Mr. Minister of Budget, what kind of signs do you see in the air at the moment? No signs at all. Instead, I see amazing signs on the streets, on the streets, on the slopes, wherever and on the ground. What are you talking about? I'm not talking about anything, but about the winter season of Budgesport. What? Whatever, all the signs are coming from there.

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We're offering the best signs with a 60% discount. Donald Trump's top advisor, Howard Lutnick, just made some shocking admissions about Jeffrey Epstein. That's just totally throwing Donald Trump under the bus. And this comes at the worst possible moment for Donald Trump.

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Let me just show you a little bit of what Howard Lutnick said in this interview with a new podcast by the New York Post writer Miranda Devine. Watch this clip. Let's play it.

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I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house. How often you have a massage? And he says, every day. And then he like gets like weirdly close to me. And he says, and the right kind of massage.

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Now, this is part of a longer interview where Howard Lutnick, who was Jeffrey Epstein's next-door neighbor in Manhattan, talked about his visit to meet Jeffrey Epstein for the first time when Epstein's assistant said, Jeffrey Epstein's your neighbor.

Chapter 2: What shocking admissions did Howard Lutnick make about Jeffrey Epstein?

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I think this was back in 2005. Why don't you come over and meet Epstein? And so Howard Lutnick tells the story, and you heard a little bit right there, where Jeffrey Epstein shows him the massage room and says, you know the types of massages that I like, and Howard Lutnick claims, that he never really spoke to Jeffrey Epstein again after that.

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Although we do have photos right here of Ghislaine Maxwell attending Cantor Fitzgerald parties before or on or around that visit. So it seems like they may have known each other a little bit more than Howard Lutnick is letting on, although it's not fully clear. But then Howard Lutnick goes on to say that anybody who met Jeffrey Epstein knew that he was creepy from the moment you saw him.

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So the reporter, the podcast host, then asks, well, you know, why did all of these rich people and she lists a few names. Well, why did they, you know, go along with it? And then Lutnik's like, well, wouldn't it be just so obvious that like Epstein was like this? So these people must have known what was going on. Well, Donald Trump was Epstein's best friend at that time and for decades.

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So wouldn't it be clear that Donald Trump would have known all of these things and that Epstein right away when he meets you starts to talk to you about the massage table and things like that, according to Howard Ludnick. So let me break this down. And then I want to share with you a blockbuster report again from the Wall Street Journal here. They've put out some good reports here.

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And they've been talking about how in their latest report, how Epstein really wasn't blacklisted from Wall Street and banks and how he was doing deals really up until the time that he was arrested again during that kind of 2018, 2019 arrest. So let me show you this first right here. This is a longer clip. Howard Lutnick talks about what went down when he first met Jeffrey Epstein. Watch this.

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Let's play it.

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He was your neighbor for 10 years. How well did you know him? All right. So we are in number 11 and he lives in number nine. Right. So we renovate, we buy our house and our house is pigeons and mice. Right. Okay. That's it. It was derelict. Right. So we build, we rebuild our house. We move in in 2005.

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Okay.

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Okay, Jeffrey Epstein is arrested in like 08, I think, or something like that. So knock on the door, his assistant on like a Saturday says, Mr. Epstein, your neighbor would like to invite you over for coffee. So my wife and I go next door. We walk seven steps to the next house for coffee. We share a wall.

Chapter 3: How did Howard Lutnick's relationship with Epstein affect his views on Donald Trump?

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Right. So it's in New York City. So he invites us in. We have coffee in this. And he says, do you want a tour? We said, great. Interesting. He's got a really big house. Every room you went into? He's got, well, I'll tell you. So his house is like super big. Really wide. And so he gives me a tour in the living room, big living room. And then across from it is double doors.

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I assume it's the dining room. Yeah. And he opens the doors and there's a massage table in the middle of the room and candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful cutting questions. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house? How often do you have a massage? And he says, Every day. And then he gets weirdly close to me and he says, and the right kind of massage.

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Now my wife is standing here. So she looks at me and I look at her and we say, I'm sorry, we have to And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him Socially, for business, or even philanthropy.

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If that guy was there, I wasn't going because he's gross.

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Okay, then in this next clip right here, you have Howard Lutnick again saying that Epstein was gross right away. It was obvious right away. And then Miranda Devine, the host says, but what about this rich person, that rich person? And he's like, they knew that's how Epstein made his money. He would videotape the people and then he would blackmail him. He was a world-class blackmailer.

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How else do you think he got the sweetheart deal in 2008? And then she goes and asks him, well, but what about Donald Trump? Like, have you talked to Donald Trump about this and letting it goes? No. I mean, He knows the whole story. Trump knows the whole story. I was one and done with this guy. Trump was not one and done with this guy. So watch here what Howard Letnick says. This is unbelievable.

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Here, play this clip.

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I mean, that's an incredible story that you could pick up that he was a pervert. It's gross. The guy's gross. Right? With my wife. The guy's gross. This was not, oh, the deep nuance of Howard Lutton. This guy's gross. Right. So how come Bill Gates and all these other people could hang around him and not see what you saw? Or did they see it and ignore it or? No, they participated. Right.

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That's what his MO was, you know, get a massage, get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume was on video. This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever. Blackmail people. That's how he had money. So what happened to those videos? Why is there now such a dearth of information when Donald Trump's people are running the FBI and the DOJ?

Chapter 4: What evidence suggests Donald Trump's awareness of Epstein's actions?

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And folks, this comes at a time that many people are also calling the Trump government shutdown, the Trump Jeffrey Epstein shutdown, because one of the reasons that Donald Trump ordered MAGA Mike Johnson, the Republican Speaker of the House, to order all the MAGA Republicans not even to show up to work, right? They didn't show up to Congress, the Republicans, on Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday.

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The key days, the day of the shutdown and the days leading up to the shutdown, because if Congress were to be in session, then MAGA Mike Johnson would have to swear in Congresswoman-elect Adelita Grijalva from Arizona's 7th Congressional District, who won by like over 45 points in her special election campaign.

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last week because she would be the 218th signature for that discharge petition, which would then force a vote to release the Epstein file. So one of the reasons that Donald Trump wants this government shutdown and MAGA Mike is not calling members of Congress in is because he wants to use that as an excuse not to swear in the Democratic Congresswoman-elect Adelita Grijalva. Just

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follow the epstein files you know follow the money yep and follow the epstein files and you'll get an answer to a lot of what is going on right now now democratic congress member jamie raskin he made that same point yesterday play this clip and it also is not lost on anyone that shutting the government down allows them not to swear in uh our new colleague uh ms grahalva from arizona

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who would be the 218th signature to discharge the Epstein files and to put a vote on that on the House floor. So it's convenient for them to shut the government down, and they're not interested in making government work for our constituents.

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And here's what he had to say outside of Capitol Hill. Remember, all the Democrats have showed up for work. No Republicans are there. Just the Democrats are working.

Chapter 5: How did Epstein manage to maintain connections on Wall Street?

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Here, play this clip.

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And we demand complete accountability. We ask for nothing there more than Donald Trump asked for. Then Kash Patel asked for. Then Pam Bondi asked for. They all said they wanted them released. Then they had a thousand FBI agents working around the clock. And guess what they saw? Donald Trump's name apparently all over the files. And they came back and said, nothing to see here.

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We're going to sweep it under the rug, call off the talking points, everybody. Now we want to cover up the Epstein files. We're not going to allow them to do that. When we get back to work, we're going to reopen the government. We are going to resume health care for the American people and we're going to release the Epstein files.

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Meanwhile, the House Oversight Democrats posted the following image right there, right in front of Speaker of the House Mike Johnson's office. It's a photo of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein right there. Let's take a look right here at this Wall Street Journal article because I thought they broke a really powerful story here and they've been doing a good job breaking these stories.

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So the story right here by the Wall Street Journal is called the following. The Wall Street firm's that kept ties with Jeffrey Epstein until the end. From TD Bank to Honeycomb Partners, several hedge funds and banks were linked to the wealthy sex offender. Jeffrey Epstein never got kicked out of Wall Street's VIP club. Epstein's banking and investment activities in the years before his 2019 death

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were more widespread than previously known, including accounts at several banks as well as large transactions with well-known hedge funds, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and people familiar with the matter. Epstein's estate has turned over to Congress

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a list of more than 20 banks that held accounts for Epstein and entities related to him, according to people familiar with the matter. The House Oversight Committee is expected to subpoena banks for their records, some of the people said. Epstein or Epstein-related entities had accounts with several of those banks in his later years, including Wells Fargo, TD Bank,

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and First Bank Puerto Rico, according to these people. JPMorgan Chase has said it closed Epstein's accounts in 2013. Deutsche Bank said it cut him off in 2018. To date, JPMorgan and Deutsche Bank are the only banks that have been scrutinized by regulators and sued by victims over their ties to Epstein. The documents reviewed by the Wall Street Journal show that in the years before he died,

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Epstein moved at least $60 million into Honeycomb Partners. Honeycomb Partners, an investment fund, received $13.5 million from a hedge fund run by Paul Tudor Jones and sold $15 million worth of private company shares to

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