The Michael Knowles Show
"They Said I Would Die Unless I Took It" Michael & The Miracle | Corley Spell
08 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
But honestly, I didn't allow myself to like, I didn't Google it. I didn't look it up how long I might have. Like I just, I never ever went down that path. And we get home and I told Ben, I said, well, I'm not taking the chemotherapy pills. And he was like, wait, what? You know, like, what if the Lord's using this for the healing?
Sort of like, you know, the life raft to the guy. Yes, exactly.
Chapter 2: What led Corley Spell to refuse chemotherapy?
Where were you, Lord?
A week later, we go back into MD Anderson, and my oncologist walks in. And she's reading her papers. She's reading the results. She's like, OK, good news. Everything was dead. Every single piece of cancer that we took out was dead. She's like, the pills worked. And then I said, Dr. Omari, I did not take the chemotherapy pills. And at this point, she thinks I'm a crazy person.
Do miracles still occur? I am so pleased to sit down with my friend Corley Spell for a conversation that I have been trying to have for, I think, six months now. Corley, thank you for being here.
Thank you for having me. It has been a while, but, you know, sometimes good things just take a while to get to.
They do. That's true. And, you know, in God's providence, things come up, things change, and I guess that's a big topic of our conversation today. Yeah. For those who don't know you, they might secretly know you, actually, because you are the first lady of American meat. You are. You are. You're the wife of Good Ranchers.
Well, not that you're the wife of your husband, but your husband started Good Ranchers, one of the all-time great, not only sponsors of this show, but one of the all-time great American companies.
Yes. So, so happy to be a sponsor for this show, first of all. But I never set out to be the meat lady, but here I am.
It's a great distinction to have.
It just comes with, yeah, the life, for sure.
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Chapter 3: How did Corley's diagnosis impact her family?
And then some of it being radiation or something like that.
Yeah. So I went to, I had a friend and she went to the Cancer Center for Healing, which is in Irvine, California with Dr. Keneally. And she had great things to say about it because I was fully prepared to go to Mexico and juice, you know, this away.
Chew on roots or something.
Right, right. And so I felt comfortable with California because my kids were so little. I didn't want to be out of the country for weeks at a time, you know, without them. And so we went there and I did a bunch of holistic treatments to boost my immune system. Went on a very strict ketogenic diet sponsored by Good Ranchers.
Talk about a perk of the job. Yeah. You had a lot of good, high quality beef.
I know. I didn't have to worry about my meat, my protein source. Like, it was clean. Like, it really was nice. And, you know, everyone at this center ended up wanting some of it, too, which was sweet. But anyways, yeah. And so I was there for about three weeks, came back home, felt just better than I had. And I don't remember the last time I felt that good.
Just I had lost 30 pounds of baby weight.
Yeah.
You know, everything inside, all of my blood tests and my scans, everything was just very, very good. And every good result I got back, I was just like tucking in a way like, yes, more good news, more good news. And then when I went back to MD Anderson, the plan with them was to do two rounds of immunotherapy, which I don't know if you know much about immunotherapy.
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Chapter 4: What were the challenges Corley faced during her treatment decisions?
The minute you have your first kid.
Yeah.
through the roof and you think, well, because you're not concerned about the injustice to you. You're not concerned about ultimately about pain for you. It's the grave injustice to the kids. Especially if you have multiple kids, especially little kids. By the way, that's just my own thought as a father. And when you got little kids, The father's not the biggest deal. No.
You know actually it's like 90% mama. Yeah. So you have all of this running through your head. You have a grapefruit in your pelvis.
Yeah. It's horrible. It looks horrible. I feel horrible. So I go in. So the first dose, they said, wait four weeks, come back for the second dose. So I go in for the second one, and I feel terrible. And I tell my oncologist, I'm like, what do people do? If they feel this bad, do they do the second dose? What are people doing? And she said, well, usually they opt out.
I give them a steroid shot, which kind of takes you out of the immunotherapy, and we just go from there. And I asked her, I was like, well, what do you think I should do? She said, I think you should do it. And I said, okay.
You should take the steroid and get out of there.
No, no, no. Do the second dose.
Do the second. Yes. Okay.
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Chapter 5: How did Corley's faith influence her healing journey?
It's just all good. And the seed oil-free chicken nuggets, which my kids love. And it's just an unbelievable company. And it's extremely inexpensive. I would hate to be their accountant, would hate to be their CFO, don't know how it works.
But when you subscribe to any box at goodranchers.com, use my code NOLSKIN at WLA as a checkout, you will get free meat for life and 25 bucks off your first order. Goodranchers.com, American meat delivered. It's funny because we do this often. I've had debates with friends of mine over this. Would you rather, especially in politics, would you rather win or would you rather be right?
Lose but be right. Have your prediction proven right. And People split on this. Some people are fine being wrong if they win, and some people would rather lose and be right. And it's hard to predict which. And obviously, the latter part, I think, comes from more than a little bit of pride. But with the doctors, what's so just delightful and beautiful about the whole story is they were wrong.
They should be thrilled. They should be dancing like David for being wrong. And it reminds me of this line. I was talking about it with a friend recently. Chesterton has this idea that the mystic is actually the most practical guy because he knows his eternal destiny. He recognizes that we're not just meat. It's not that the mystic is head in the clouds.
It's that the mystic is more practical than the cynic, than the materialist. And so I guess what I would have to ask the doctors, I'm sure what you would want to ask the doctors is, hey, given everything we know, how else do you explain it?
Yeah. So one, all of the follow-ups have been virtual with them, which is fine. But for my two-year, I do want to go in and have a face-to-face conversation with her. So two years is when the highest reoccurrence rate are. And so I think once we're out of the two years with her, then... They'll be more open to having conversations with me like that.
And I do want to ask her, hey, what do you think of this? You know, what's your conclusion?
What do you think of it broadly? It's hard, obviously, to take yourself out of it because you lived it. You're the character in this story that you also happen to be telling. How should Christians think about the miracles?
I think we should believe for the earthly miracles while we're on earth. And I think that was my frame of mind is until he calls me home, I will believe that
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Chapter 6: What alternative treatments did Corley explore?
Like, I was polite about it. I was a polite teenager, but mostly. But I thought, and then I think now, of course, you know, this is all given to me. And I like to think that I would have had that reaction of like, well, I didn't make myself, you know, my whole life is a gift and all these blessings I had are a gift. And It would be very difficult not to be angry at a sense of cosmic injustice.
But you weren't.
I mean... It rains on the righteous and the unrighteous, right? And that's what I go back to. It's like whether I had cancer or not, I have today. Like tomorrow's not promised. And I think that's another way that the enemy tries to torment us is just to go through, well, look at all this. It's horrible here. It's so bad here. Like he really allowed that to happen, huh? That's his fault.
And it's just not true. He's a good father. And I knew that this was not from him. I didn't know. I didn't know. Honestly, I still don't know, right? There's a lot we don't know and we won't know until we get there. But was this an attack? Was this a testing of faith? I don't know.
Right. It's not really yours to know.
Yeah, I was sick and then I was healed. That's all I know.
You know, people watching this who, many people, I mean, it's pretty persuasive. Many people will take it for what it's worth. But there will be some people who say, no, it couldn't have been. Maybe it was the keto diet. Maybe it was the this. Maybe it was the that. No, I don't look for any explanation other than... I think we'll...
Like the way, even for Christians, sometimes they'll believe stuff in antiquity, but they won't believe, like even there are Eucharistic miracles. I don't know if you've seen, these have happened over the ages, like for 2,000 years. But including in recent years, where a consecrated host, the Holy Communion, will bleed. It doesn't happen a lot. It's a rare thing. And they'll test the blood.
It's like the same type of blood of a man from the Middle East. And there are people who will say, I don't buy it. They say, hold on. You believe a guy rose from the dead. You believe a guy turned water into wine. You believe, let me go back further. You believe that all of this exists and the world is intelligible and you can make some sense of it and we can even communicate with each other.
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