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The Mike Hosking Breakfast

Full Show Podcast: 05 June 2026

04 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.537 - 10.783 Heather Duplessy-Allen

Tough on power, sharp on insight. Heather Duplessy-Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast. With Aveda Retirement Communities. Life your way. Newstalk ZB.

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11.236 - 28.683 Mike Hosking

Morning and welcome to you coming up on the show. Looks like we have a bit of a breakthrough in the Middle East with the ceasefire deal struck between Lebanon and Israel. We're going to get to the US on that. We're now relying back here on a record number of foreign trained teachers. The education minister's in for a chat on that. It is super rugby weekend, playoff weekend anyway.

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28.703 - 34.172 Mike Hosking

We're going to speak to the boss of the competition. Murray Olds will do Australia for us and Tim and Kerry are in to wrap the week.

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Chapter 2: What breakthrough has occurred regarding the Israel-Lebanon ceasefire?

34.76 - 49.599 Mike Hosking

So should Grant Robertson, in his relatively new role as the vice-chancellor of Otago University, have piped up about the government? Earlier this week, he sent an email to the university in his role as the vice-chancellor, and it went to the students and presumably also the staff.

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50.22 - 68.181 Mike Hosking

And first, he commented on the New Zealand First Bill that defines what a woman is, says some queer students may find it upsetting. He personally finds it disturbing. And then he got stuck into the budget. He mentioned that it was a lean budget for the tertiary education sector. He opined that the removal of the free year of uni, which his lot introduced, would hit students particularly hard.

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68.221 - 85.641 Mike Hosking

And then he expressed his view that, quote, Now, the question is, should he have done this? And really, it depends on what you think is more important, his right to freely express his opinion, which is probably pent up as all hell now that he's sitting in Dunedin,

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85.621 - 101.455 Mike Hosking

Or the need for universities to be places where all opinions are heard and debated rather than everyone understanding that the right opinion is Grant's opinion. Personally, I think the bigger crime here is his lack of anything interesting to say. His email is so predictable it's almost unnecessary.

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Chapter 3: What insights does the Super Rugby Pacific CEO share about the playoffs?

101.655 - 129.841 Mike Hosking

It's no surprise to find that the guy who spent a political career trying to make university free is in denial that fees free didn't work, it cost $2 billion, didn't increase student enrolments. It's no surprise that a former red MP is having a crack at the blue team, even when he's in And it is no surprise that Jacinda's best friend then ends up with a dose of kindness at the end of the email.

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130.122 - 148.204 Mike Hosking

Look after yourselves and each other. Ngā manaakitanga. Now that kindness, I just want to point this out to you if you haven't already clocked onto it, is not always genuine. It is a political strategy. It means if you disagree with anything that I just said before, you're not kind. How predictable. Biggest crime in that email is that it belongs in 2017.

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148.244 - 154.153 Heather Duplessy-Allen

The rest of us have moved on.

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154.252 - 174.375 Mike Hosking

Kimmy Badenoch has been speaking to the family of Henry Novak. They want to look into the sentencing of the murderer. They want to look at religious practices that allow people to carry these sorts of knives. And they want to look at transparency and accountability with the police. Keir Starmer's had enough of people like Nigel Farage and Elon Musk and their stirring.

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174.576 - 184.984 Jack Mesley

Just listen again to what the family are asking of us, which is to remain calm, to show the leadership that's needed here and not allow this case to be used to whip up division.

185.605 - 191.415 Mike Hosking

Now, despite a supposed ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon, the drone strikes are still coming in from Israel.

192.858 - 206.162 Unknown

Israel should announce from the White House that it has no ambitions to occupy our land and that once Hezbollah is no longer a factor and there is no one fighting it, it will withdraw. International law does not permit it to remain.

206.142 - 212.454 Mike Hosking

Trump is lauding the plan and the US involvement in it. I mean, if it happens, I mean, it might not happen, you know, who knows?

212.474 - 217.203 Unknown

But if it happens, it could happen like over the weekend. In theory, they're pretty close to signing a paper.

Chapter 4: How are foreign teachers impacting New Zealand's education system?

512.911 - 529.15 Andrew Callagher

We did a release of our first quarter GDP number on the 18th of June, so that's the week after next. I think these numbers could be a little bit of a drag on those estimates. You'd have to get one of your friendly economists in to talk to them, but I suspect they'll have to put their expectation down a little bit on the back of these numbers.

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529.13 - 533.082 Mike Hosking

The ANZ card spending for May, did you like what you saw there?

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533.163 - 549.087 Andrew Callagher

I love this data series, Heather. It's one of my favourite data series. And, of course, you know, I'm one of those odd people that likes data series. And this one is one of my favourite ones. Every month ANZ release details of their card spending through their network. It's very detailed. There's all sorts of interesting data in there.

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549.107 - 566.572 Andrew Callagher

They're also New Zealand's biggest bank, so it's pretty comprehensive. Here's the thing. Spending rebounded in May. It's still not what you'd call robust, but it does look like when we get some relief, for Kiwis at the petrol pump, it's enough for us to get out and actually get moving a little bit on spending.

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566.632 - 587.841 Andrew Callagher

And I think if you look at some of the categories, though, you do have to ask some questions. I was looking at consumables. This is food. Pretty basic. Last time I looked, we've all got to eat. Now, the spending increase there is running below the rate of food price inflation. So it does look like we are actually sort of cutting back on what we spend or on how we spend.

588.261 - 609.93 Andrew Callagher

Overall card spending lifted 1.8% in May. That's seasonally adjusted. It's up 4.8% compared to the same time last year. But if you throw inflation into the mix and you say, well, June quarter, we're going to get sort of inflation around sort of 4%, it looks like it's only increasing very modestly. But monthly and annual growth was positive for nearly every category in May.

610.31 - 632.186 Andrew Callagher

Also, the monthly numbers were all higher than we saw in April. A key takeaway, though, is that for me, is that if I sort of look ahead, if petrol prices were to adjust back down meaningfully, we could recover consumer confidence quite quickly, I think. And just to cover a few little of these interesting snippets, movies, Heather, movies. We're back. We're loving the movies.

632.246 - 646.104 Andrew Callagher

Spending is – well, I never stop loving the movies because I love going to the movies. But spending is up 28% year on year there. Fuel spending, 15% up year on year, but it eased in May. That's why we got the kickback in the other areas. And finally, bike shops.

646.305 - 656.458 Andrew Callagher

Bike shops have been doing it pretty hard, but expensive fuel has got people thinking about pedal power, and we're seeing bike shops spending lifting. So get out there. Get on your bike. Good for you.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of the ceasefire rejection by Hezbollah?

800.001 - 818.51 Mike Hosking

And so now, I mean, never mind their collapse. Let's talk about our collapse. But there's a story in this, which is the story of Ollie Robinson, the bowler from England. This guy is the one who was doing all of the – he is just absolutely running through us at the moment and taking wickets. And Ollie Robinson has – this is his first test back for England.

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818.71 - 827.382 Mike Hosking

And I think he's been ignored by them for two years. Now, what about – how about that for a story of backing yourself when nobody else backs you, eh? Good yarn. 626. 626.

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827.362 - 832.148 Unknown

Trending now with Chemist Warehouse, your home of winter essentials.

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832.188 - 847.065 Mike Hosking

Right, well, it is tax season, which means the scammers are out in full force. There are countless scam warnings these days about people trying to get your credit card info because of the power bills and the internet bills and the water bills. But these scammers, pretending to be from Spark, clearly chose the wrong target. No comment. Dan speaking.

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847.766 - 870.345 Jack Mesley

Hello. Hello. Hi. Hello, this is Jack, and I'm calling you from Spark. So how are you? Good, thanks. How are you? OK, I'm doing good, too. Thanks for your concern. Well, this call is regarding your internet connection, okay? Okay. So, you did an online survey, and according to our survey, we came to know that your internet is not running in a secure line, okay?

871.106 - 874.952 Unknown

Well, you've called the New Zealand Police. I'd be very surprised if our internet wasn't secure.

877.015 - 877.596 Jack Mesley

It's a police.

878.036 - 880.34 Unknown

This is the New Zealand Police Communication Centre.

880.781 - 885.027 Jack Mesley

Yes. Okay, I'm sorry to bother you, sir.

Chapter 6: What challenges are being faced in the construction sector?

1147.446 - 1172.297 Mike Hosking

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1172.677 - 1191.559 Mike Hosking

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1191.579 - 1207.659 Mike Hosking

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1208.38 - 1215.932 Mike Hosking

We are apparently relying on record numbers of overseas trained teachers and the unions are not happy about it, as you can imagine.

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1216.012 - 1226.087 Heather Duplessy-Allen

Education Minister Erica Stanford, after seven o'clock on that, it is coming up quarter to seven.

1226.455 - 1232.464 Mike Hosking

Richard Arnold, our US correspondent, is with us. Morning, Richard. Good morning, Heather. So what is happening with the anti-weaponisation fund?

1233.445 - 1252.513 Heather Duplessy-Allen

Well, this is rare. Trump is facing some actual backlash from a few members of his own Republican Party on some key issues, including this. At one point, the $1.8 billion fund that Trump had arranged to pay out some of his political allies, perhaps even those who took part in attacks on the US Capitol in January of the 65 years back,

1252.493 - 1274.198 Heather Duplessy-Allen

uh was opposed by the democrats then a number of republican pollies agreed saying the fund should be halted trump's acting attorney general shouted down and insulted during a closed door republican meeting just the other day and since then has been saying the fund is kaput look we're not moving forward with the fund we are not moving forward with the fund period we are not moving forward with the fund

1274.178 - 1275.761 Unknown

Not moving forward ever.

Chapter 7: How is consumer behavior changing with respect to spending?

2039.534 - 2061.987 Mike Hosking

Right, to education. So schools are relying on overseas trained teachers at record levels, apparently. We've got new ministry figures that show foreign teachers made up 12.5% of the workforce last year. That's up from 5% 20 years ago. In real numbers, we're talking about 9,772 teachers. The Education Minister is Erica Stanford. And with us, hi, Erica. Hi. The unions are worried about this.

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2062.007 - 2086.915 Mike Hosking

Are you worried about this? No, I'm not worried about it. We have been using overseas teachers more over many, many, many years. And it's always used as a bit of a stopgap while we increase numbers domestically. And we have been doing that in record numbers. We've now got the largest numbers of teachers in the workforce since records began. We've got...

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2087.452 - 2096.82 Mike Hosking

Enrolments in initial teacher education up 30%. We have invested hugely over the last two budgets, you know, to the tune of about

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2097.239 - 2115.744 Mike Hosking

150 million dollars in teacher training and those numbers are coming on stream and quite big numbers so that primary is now we're in surplus by 500 this year and projected to be in surplus in secondary in the next couple of years so things are looking really good on the domestic front and I'm going to have another announcement the next couple of weeks on that as well.

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2115.864 - 2132.033 Mike Hosking

Okay what is the quality of these teachers if you compare them to the quality of domestically trained teachers? Schools go out and recruit international teachers themselves and of course they will make good decisions and there are some fantastic overseas trained teachers.

2132.413 - 2149.368 Mike Hosking

Of course when they come into the country they have to have a period of adjustment because there is obviously some differences in New Zealand but that's the same for any teacher coming out of initial teacher education for example. They have to learn how to manage student behaviour and the differences in different schools.

2149.448 - 2171.719 Mike Hosking

So there is a period of adjustment, but they can be absolutely excellent teachers. I've met many of them and they're a wonderful addition. Now, Erica, on the recorder, did you practice it the night before? No, that was good muscle memory from when I was seven years old, actually. Of course, I played woodwind instruments my whole life, and fingering is much the same, so it's good muscle memory.

2172.5 - 2185.109 Mike Hosking

Okay. So we've had a debate about this, and what I'm told is it's not impressive because you play the bassoon and it's basically the same. Is it? That's probably... Relatively true, actually.

2185.209 - 2185.57 Unknown

Oh, it is?

Chapter 8: What trends are emerging in multi-generational housing?

2631.523 - 2647.671 Mike Hosking

So Ed says he couldn't find the kid's recorder, but he did find a flute. But he's not going to bring it. I said, no, don't bother. Don't bother. You're wasting my time showing off what you've got in your house. Jason's having a scrounge around. Danielle is having a look around. Jen has come up with the goods. This is our lawyer, friend of the show.

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2648.253 - 2651.118 Mike Hosking

Jen has got a red recorder she's bringing in, Sam.

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2651.379 - 2653.463 Jack Mesley

Oh, it'll go faster. It'll go faster than Erica's work.

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2653.483 - 2672.675 Mike Hosking

It does go faster, yeah. So Jenna's going to be here at 8.30, no pressure, and she's coming straight in here to level one with her recorder. We're going to set you up in the green room in a quiet space, and you're going to start hitting that. And, yeah, end of the show, we'll see if he can put his money where his masculine mouth is. Good morning, Heather. I'm interested in the Chiefs.

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2672.776 - 2684.154 Mike Hosking

I have my tickets already. Heather, I didn't even know it was the finals this week. It's not the finals. It's the playoffs. It's the playoffs. this weekend. But the thing is, it's going to lead to the finals that you expect, right? We're going to have four New Zealand teams.

2684.194 - 2732.188 Mike Hosking

It's going to be the Chiefs, the Hurricanes, the Crusaders and the Blues, which kind of, it's not, predictability is not the point of sport, is it? So anyway, the boss of Super Rugby is going to be in with us next and we'll chat with him about that. And then Gerry. Gerry and stuff. Let's talk about that soon. Newstalk ZB. We have got Kerry McIver, Kerry Woodham. Jeez, I'm doing that thing again.

2732.408 - 2751.467 Mike Hosking

Kerry Woodham and Tim Wilson in wrapping the week that was after 8 o'clock. Obviously in for Kate and Mike who are overseas at the moment. It's 23 away from 8. Super Rugby is going to enter the playoffs this weekend. Christchurch, as we've discussed, is a sellout. The ticket sold out in 20 minutes for the Crusaders v Blues at Takaha. Jack Mesley is the Super Rugby Pacific CEO in with us.

2751.547 - 2755.975 Mike Hosking

Hi, Jack. Hi, Heather. How are you? I'm very well, thank you. How good was that sellout?

2756.562 - 2768.534 Unknown

Oh, yeah, it's incredible, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, since Super Round, that stadium for the Crusaders is just the hottest ticket in town, which is wonderful. And, yeah, can't wait for the finals to kick off today.

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