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The Mike Hosking Breakfast

Mike's Minute: Not everything is a conspiracy

25 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the Mike Smith storyline regarding climate change?

0.031 - 13.476 Mike Hosking

Some are working pretty hard at the moment, you might have noticed, to bind the Mike Smith storyline that the big end of town has the government's ear over climate change. So Mike Smith, you know, the activist, the agitator, the chainsaw man, the smack the America's Cup bloke, you know Mike, life full of angst and upset.

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Anyway, his latest outing was in court looking to sue individual companies over there. pollution around climate change. He was looking for an activist court to agree with the idea that a company can be held to specific and individual account for something that happens all over the world by, if you think about it, all of us.

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The government stepped in a week or so back, put an end to it or will put an end to it.

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Chapter 2: Why did the government intervene in Mike Smith's court case?

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Their argument is Parliament is your ultimate court and these sort of laws are for it, not individual judges who may sway with the wind. But there is no doubt in my mind in a number of areas, various courts these days are of course open to a little bit of judicial dabbling. It is brought about, in my humble opinion, by an increasing arrogance that they make the rules and not the government.

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It is true to say that a court can have a say or hold sway, but it is equally true to say that the ultimate court has always been the parliament of the land, and we do not want that undermined. Now, Mike claims people like Fonterra have been writing to the PM's office and advocating for the government to step in on court action like his, and given they did...

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Chapter 3: How does the speaker view the role of courts versus Parliament?

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He now suggests this is collusion. This is scallywaggery. This is big money, big influence malarkey that borders on scandal. Or could it be a corporate saying what you would expect a corporate to say and a government, not surprisingly, doing what they would do anyway? In other words, Fonterra didn't need to say anything.

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Paul Goldsmith would have done what he did without any correspondence at all. Why? Because they think the same way, say, for example, I do.

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Chapter 4: What allegations does Mike Smith make about corporate influence?

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I didn't write to anyone. Didn't have a meeting with anyone, and yet I would have thought, nay, expected the government to nip the Smith fishing expedition in the bud. Why? Because it's obvious and it's common sense.

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See, not everything's a conspiracy. Sometimes, remarkably, especially when it's obvious, people tend to have the same view.

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Chapter 5: Why does the speaker believe not everything is a conspiracy?

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Letters or no letters. Meetings or no meetings.

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Nothing to see here.

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