Stacey Nordwall, VP of People Strategy at Pyn, joined us on The Modern People Leader. We talked about the burnout cycle in HR and where it stems from, her advice for all of the exhausted people leaders out there, and the questions you should ask during the interview process to vet out whether it’s a people-first org or not. ---- This episode was brought to you by Pyn. Get access to their Employee Journey Designer here. ---- (1:28) Good news stories (5:45) Stacey’s career journey and what led her to Pyn (11:39) How she explains what Pyn does (12:20) Why we should be jealous that she gets to work there (14:13) The burnout cycle in HR and where it stems from (17:35) On the narrative that HR leaders don’t have business acumen (27:18) Stacey’s thankful for the new thought leaders in HR stepping into the space (28:45) Her advice to all of the exhausted people leaders out there (34:30) Red flags in the interview process while looking for a People Leader role (40:00) Ask to meet with a board member and a junior employee to get the full picture of what it's like to work at the organization (42:15) The one question you should ask during the interview process for a People Leader role (44:18) What’s up with fractional HR (50:00) Rapid fire questions ---- 📬 Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to get key learnings & career advice from Modern People Leaders 💡 Follow The Modern People Leader on LinkedIn 😊 Follow Daniel Huerta on LinkedIn 😊 Follow Stephen Huerta on LinkedIn

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