Chapter 1: What insights do Alan and James share about the federal budget?
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Hello, I'm Alan Collar, Editor-at-Large of Intelligent Investor and Finance Presenter and Columnist for the ABC. And I'm James Thompson, Senior Chanticleer Columnist at the Australian Financial Review. And we are The Money Cafe. And James, you're still in Canberra after the lockup?
I am in Canberra, yes. A long day on Tuesday, but we survived and plenty of reaction, positive and negative. Some of the... Some of the stuff's been wild.
Yes. Oh, yeah. Look, I didn't go to the lock-up because I had to do stuff on the ABC News, which obviously gets broadcast at 7pm before the budget comes out, so I had to do my analysis of the budget before I read it, which, you know, I think that's a good way to go.
Well, there were so many leaks, I guess it was possible.
Well, in fact, I searched the budget in vain for stuff that hadn't been leaked. And I couldn't really find much, if anything.
Yeah, there was probably some of the stuff around the tax loss relief for businesses was a little bit unexpected. But yeah, it's... Well, it was, you know, I don't quite know why we do a lockup if everything's going to be leaked in the three weeks before.
I know.
It's a strange and unique Australian thing.
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Chapter 2: How do tax changes affect businesses and individuals?
It's not worth reading. And I don't really read Treasury's economic outlook either because So what I do is I look for the, firstly, I go to table 3.3. Let me just look it up. Table 3.3, which is the Reconciliation of General Government Sector Underlying Cash Balance Estimates.
And that tells you, that adds up the policy decisions and what they call parameter and other variations, which is the windfall gains or losses, you know, the things that are outside their control. And so it gives you a quick summary of the impact of their decisions and what they're getting from the economic from the Iran war, for example.
So the Iran war and other commodity price increases this year in the budget year, which is 26-27, is extra receipts of $18.8 billion, increased payments of $9.5 billion, So net parameter and other variations of $9.3 billion. That's the plus. But that for this year, over the forward estimates of five years, it's $36.6 billion. Yeah, right.
And the policy decisions for the budget year, this is 26-27, minus 6.5 billion, extra payments of 8.7 and extra receipts of 2.2.
Right. Which says the budget is gently stimulatory, which is probably something that Michelle Bullock at the Reserve Bank isn't thrilled about, but I guess she might say it could have been worse too.
But it also says the reduction in the deficit is entirely due to economic factors that are outside the government's control.
Yeah. And it's interesting that I've been thinking a little bit about this since budget night. On Tuesday night in America, we had a rather hot inflation print, 3.8%. Inflation there has just been nowhere near the 2% target since basically 2020 or the latter stages of 2020.
There's now a 35% chance of a rate hike where we'd been conditioned through the combination of gently falling inflation and the arrival of Kevin Walsh as the new Fed governor to expect rate cuts. So, you know, a lot of this is premised on a fairly rosy – a lot of the budget assumptions are premised on a fairly rosy economic outlook, which says that the Australia FAMUS is open relatively soon.
Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of interest rate hikes on the economy?
What we get are their results. With the government, we get the results each year in September. Nobody cares. Nobody looks at the results at all. all we look at is the budget, right, which is their intention. And, you know, the intention is and also they use the intentions are always over four or five years, what they call the forward estimates.
But we have elections every, on average, two and a half years. And everything changes all the time.
Yeah.
I mean, even between elections, they change their mind every year. So the intentions, the forward estimates intentions contained in each year's budget are completely irrelevant. And we all sort of spend hours in a lock-up about it and write about it.
Well said, Alan.
Interesting.
All right. Okay. Well, the other thing to talk about is CSL. What's going on? I mean, that was a shocker the other day.
Yeah, I think in some ways this is a bit of a sad story. Sad for the shareholders. But sad in some ways for the country. I mean, CSL is one of Australia's great global success stories. We don't have that many of them, and we certainly don't have that many of them that aren't based on digging up rocks and shipping them overseas. That's a hugely important industry.
But CSL's business is built on sort of real innovation and know-how and the creation of an industry in terms of the plasma sector. I mean, this company has just lost the trust of the market. We've had numerous earnings downgrades now. I mean, their CEO retired on the eve of results in February.
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Chapter 4: How is CSL performing in the current market?
Wouldn't this simplify the tax system, reduce reliance on income tax and still encourage investments? What am I missing? Well, that's kind of what capital gains tax does. The reason I've got the different tax for capital gains tax, capital gains, is the idea that we shouldn't be paying tax on gains that are the same as inflation or the inflation component of your capital gain tax.
Now, you know, you can disagree with that principle or not, but that's the idea. Anything else?
Well, I think part of the reason you have a different tax system is also that you want to encourage investment. So, you know, we provide tax incentives, which is what the CGT discount is, to encourage investment and so you have a different regime than you would to working. So...
You know, maybe Aidan's idea simplifies everything, but historically we've tried to give a little bit more for investors.
Yeah, that's right. And it's worth noting that income actually – tax on income is also subject to inflation, but on the brackets. So we have bracket creep, you know. So you're sort of – and that's given back occasionally, but nowhere near enough. So – And the main tax distortion in Australia is that we don't tax consumption enough, or as much as other countries do.
I think most countries tax consumption 15%, 20%, some go 25%. We're at 10% now, so there needs to be possibly more of that, which would take some pressure off income. Yep, absolutely, absolutely.
Andy has a related question I feel we spend a lot of time debating super and other tax concessions but we don't talk enough about why Australians are so obsessed with amassing assets residential property in Australia has now hit a staggering 12.6 trillion and super 4.5 trillion a huge driver of this seems to be a rational fear the age pension is essentially a survival payment at the poverty line
Australians have realised that if they don't buy property and hoard assets while they're working, they won't have a dignified life in retirement. We've created a system where people feel forced to stockpile houses and super capital because they can't trust the government to provide a decent floor.
If we actually had a reasonable and liveable pension that people could rely on, wouldn't that take the pressure off this massive asset hoarding cycle?
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Chapter 5: What questions do listeners have about AI's impact on jobs?
And people have been conditioned. The connection between interest rate rises, unemployment rises, unemployment, financial markets feeling any pain. It's just not what it was. So the RBA has got a really tough job. It's really going to have to whack the people who deserve to be whacked least. I don't know what else they can do. That's why I'm worried about this, Alan.
I think there is, you know, is there a chance for policy misstep? There is because Bullock is fighting both inflation and inflation expectations getting away from them because people just don't – they see – rate hikes don't work like they used to.
Yeah. I think it's worth pointing out that the rate hike that just happened wasn't because of the war in Iran. It was because of the inflation that occurred before that. And so I don't think – I mean, I do think that they've got an eye on what's going on with the Middle East. But it's really, as you say, because of inflation rising beforehand – So, yeah.
And businesses and mortgage holders are doing the heavy lifting. It always happens. That's what happens. That's the problem. I mean, and it's possibly worth pointing out that there was at least one person on the Monetary Policy Board who thought it should be a hold. Yeah, yeah.
It was 8-1, and we don't know who that was, but I reckon it probably wasn't one of the five economists on the board because economists generally think that rates need to go up, but non-economists don't.
Yeah, it's going to be, I mean, yeah, it's going to be such an interesting little period over the next little while because there's so many of these forces sort of colliding together, you know, geopolitical mess with Iran, Australia's low productivity, AI. I mean, you know, the budget last night,
was the most interesting in years, and I think they're only going to get more interesting as time goes on.
Yes. Do you think we've got time for one more?
Yeah, one more. Here's one from Brad. With potential and likely changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax in the upcoming budget – well, we've got those now, Brad – what are your thoughts on the likely impact on the stock market? Bullish move, direct and indirect through super, if the changes are only made to property.
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Chapter 6: How do changes in capital gains tax influence investment decisions?
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