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The Moth

Grit and Gumption: The Moth Radio Hour

14 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What does gumption mean in the context of storytelling?

13.717 - 30.438 Suzanne Rust

This is the Moth Radio Hour, and I'm Suzanne Rust. This hour features stories about gumption. Gumption. I love that word. It is variously defined as the intelligence needed to know what to do and courage and strength of mind. And that is what our stories today all have in common.

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30.939 - 51.344 Suzanne Rust

We'll be hearing from a woman who learns that the only person she needs to please is herself, a young man standing up for who he is, a dad conquering his fears, and a mother learning a little magical thinking from her daughter. Let's start our tales of fortitude with Pamela Mitchell, who shared this chapter of her life back in 2003 in New York City. Here's Pamela, live at the Moth.

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56.309 - 81.124 Pamela Mitchell

In 1964, three weeks before I was born, the Civil Rights Act was passed, and my mother was glad that her daughter would never know a world where she wouldn't be able to go into a restaurant or a theater or use a bathroom just because she was black. That same year, my grandparents, who were lifelong Baptists, converted to Catholicism. Yes, that's right.

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82.686 - 104.848 Pamela Mitchell

They wanted their younger children and their grandchildren to have access to a better education, which in their mind meant Catholic, because education was the way to a better life. So I spent 16 years in Catholic schools. And I was very studious and serious. And in fact, I wanted to become a librarian, which in those days was like being a nun for lay people.

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105.309 - 131.718 Pamela Mitchell

But thankfully, I came to my senses on that one. But still, I had a very, very lonely childhood. I didn't have any friends. There weren't any other blacks in my classes. But one day, the most popular girl in school, Amy Russo, invited me to come to her house after class. And I was so thrilled. And I ran home to my mother. And I said, mama, mama, Amy asked me to come over after class. Can I go?

131.758 - 152.496 Pamela Mitchell

Can I go play? And she said, yes, yes, you can go. So she took me over there and she dropped me off and I was all thrilled and Amy and I were playing and I was having so much fun and I thought, oh my God, maybe I have a friend now. And so after about an hour, Amy said, well, you know, let's go down the block and play at Betty's house. I said, okay, great, let's go.

152.516 - 176.498 Pamela Mitchell

So we left and we started walking down the block and we got down to Betty's house and Amy turned to me and she said, well, you can't go in. Betty's father doesn't like blacks, so you have to stay out here. And she left me standing on the curb. Unfortunately, it wasn't much better with the black kids in my neighborhood. They used to make fun of me because I spoke proper English.

177.279 - 202.558 Pamela Mitchell

So I pretty much kept to myself. But when I was 18, I got accepted to college. And not just any college, I got accepted to Harvard. And this was an amazing thing for me and my family. They were so proud. I mean, my grandparents had barely gotten out of grade school, and here their granddaughter was going to not only the college, but the most prestigious college in the country.

203.039 - 206.044 Pamela Mitchell

And I was the first, the first person to do this in our family.

Chapter 2: How does Pamela Mitchell learn to prioritize her own opinions?

206.564 - 230.952 Pamela Mitchell

But we didn't have very much money, so my mother made a list of things that I would need to go to school, like a dorm refrigerator, dish towels, a typewriter, which will tell you how old I am. And a family meeting was called. And all my aunts and uncles came together, my grandparents, and they all took something off that list and bought it for me to send me off to school.

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232.298 - 257.466 Pamela Mitchell

But they were worried because I was going so far away from home. So they had some advice for me. My grandmother was pretty blunt. She said, girl, you better keep your eyes on a book and those legs shut. Thank you, granny. My mother said, Pamela, you know as a black woman, you're going to have to work twice as hard to be taken seriously.

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257.506 - 283.656 Pamela Mitchell

So don't think you can fool around like the rest of those girls. So off I went with all their advice and love and support and pressure. And I worked hard for those four years, and it was tough, but I finished. And on that graduation day, when I stood there with my mother and my sisters, I said, you know, this is so great. I have accomplished this, not just for me, but for my family, too.

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284.718 - 307.378 Pamela Mitchell

And maybe now that I have this Harvard degree and it's on my resume, no one can take it away from me. I don't have to work so hard to prove myself. So I chose my graduate school based upon the fact that I don't have to work so hard to prove myself. And I decided to go to the American Graduate School of International Management, also known as Thunderbird, in Phoenix, Arizona.

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308.236 - 327.642 Pamela Mitchell

Now, given its location and its specialization, they barely saw any black students, much less one from Harvard. But that didn't stop me. I was going. So I go to registration. And I'm standing in line. And I'm watching all the students. And they're going up, handing their transcripts over to the professors. And they're just checking it off.

327.682 - 344.045 Pamela Mitchell

And they're getting their class waivers and registering and going off. And this is all being routine. Everybody's handing, check, move, check, move, check, move. And I'm thinking, great, no problem. So I work my way through the line. And I get to the front of the line. And I hand the statistics professor my transcript. And he takes a look at it.

344.085 - 371.08 Pamela Mitchell

And he starts looking at it and looking at it a little more. And I'm saying, well, is there a problem? And he says to me, well, is this your transcript? And I said, yeah, this is my transcript. You went to Harvard? And I said, well, yeah, I did go to Harvard. He looks at it and he says, well, it says here that you got an A minus in statistics, but how do I know you really know statistics?

372.022 - 390.184 Pamela Mitchell

And then he asks me, define for me sample space. And I just froze. I said, well, I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank. Well, it's clear to me that you don't really know statistics, so I'm not giving you a waiver. And he shoves the sheet back at me.

391.193 - 409.239 Pamela Mitchell

And I said to him, well, I'm sorry I couldn't come up with the answer off the top of my head, but I'm responsible for this knowledge, so I'll review my notes before class. But the rules say that if I have a B or better in statistics, that you're supposed to waive me from this intro class. And he says, well, I don't care about the rules.

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